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Rosen: Liars lying about lies (liberal media, democrats in Congress, liberals and leftists)
Rocky Mountain News column ^ | Friday December 2nd, 2005 | Mike Rosen

Posted on 12/02/2005 2:57:51 AM PST by ajolympian2004

Liars lying about lies, by Mike Rosen


Vice President Dick Cheney gave a speech on Nov. 21 at the American Enterprise Institute defending the administration's Iraq policy. This was part of a long overdue counterattack against the tactics of the president's political critics and their allies in the liberal media. Cheney made a particular point of setting the record straight about his criticism of some of the critics.

He said, "Several days ago, I commented briefly on some recent statements that have been made by some members of Congress about Iraq. Within hours of my speech, a report went out on the wires under the headline, quote, Cheney Says War Critics Dishonest, Reprehensible, end quote." The vice president went to on to explain and emphasize that, "I do not believe it is wrong to criticize the war on terror or any aspect thereof. Disagreement, argument and debate are the essence of democracy, and none of us should want it any other way. . . . What is not legitimate and what I will again say is dishonest and reprehensible is the suggestion by some U.S. senators that the president of the United States or any member of his administration purposely misled the American people on prewar intelligence. . . . The flaws in the intelligence are plain enough in hindsight. But any suggestion that prewar information was distorted, hyped or fabricated by the leader of the nation is utterly false. Sen. John McCain put it best: 'It is a lie to say that the president lied to the American people.' "

The unanimous conclusion of 15 separate intelligence agencies in their National Intelligence Estimate, submitted to the president in October 2002, was that Saddam Hussein's WMD constituted a real and present danger. Subsequent bipartisan investigations by the Senate Intelligence Committee in 2004 and the Silberman-Robb Commission in 2005 reported that the president neither distorted intelligence reports nor did he pressure intelligence agencies to reach tendentious conclusions.

In the afternoon following Cheney's Nov. 21 speech, here's how it was reported by Jack Cafferty on CNN's The Situation Room: ". . . if you dare question the use of prewar intelligence, according to that speech this morning, you are dishonest and reprehensible."

Outrageous! This is liberal media bias on stilts. Cafferty blatantly duplicated the very same distortion of an earlier Cheney speech that the vice president had specifically made a point of correcting. Cheney's distinction between what he believed was legitimate and illegitimate criticism couldn't have been clearer. Cafferty is either dense or shameless.

So, what's new? Bush-haters have a repertoire of shifty theatrical tactics. One is to feign outrage at make-believe attacks on their "patriotism." When the administration defends itself and challenges the claims of certain critics, the critics will falsely claim that their patriotism has been impugned. By this device, critics hope to discredit and discourage criticism of their criticism. No one in the White House questioned Rep. John Murtha's patriotism, just his judgment.

Another canard is the misuse of the "L-word." "Bush lied" has become a mantra and an outright obsession with Bush-haters, repeated endlessly in the titles of a spate of books by the likes of Al Franken (Lies and the Lying Liars Who Tell Them), Joe Conason, Robert Scheer and other lefties. I believe this to be a backlash rooted in their resentment and anger over the downfall of the Clinton presidency. So they labor to turn the tables and take out their visceral revenge on Bush by branding him a "liar."

In Clinton's case, however, he was caught in blatant lies while under oath in a deposition, for which he suffered official discipline in a court of law. While his sexual exploits may have been of far less import than the current debate over the nation's foreign policy, the inescapable point is that it's flatly intolerable for the president of the United States - the attorney general's boss - to lie under oath about anything.

All politicians, including presidents, spin and embellish but a lie is defined as a willful falsehood. Simply being mistaken is not a lie. Clinton lied. At worst, Bush was misinformed. We now know the intelligence about Saddam's WMD was faulty, but a bevy of liberals from Bill Clinton to Ted Kennedy to Hillary Clinton also believed it and said so publicly. By definition, no one who believed the intelligence - not Bush or Kennedy or the Clintons - was guilty of lying.

Mike Rosen's radio show airs daily from 9 a.m. to noon on 850 KOA.


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To: sgtbono2002

The Democrat leadership may know they are lying but the rank and file Democrats believe it as fact.

Their leaders and policy makers believe the end justifies the means, so to them they are not lying but interpreting what they believe will help their followers. We ARE talking about a whole political party that has not figured out the meaning of what the word "is" is. We are talking about political party senators who would not even look at the evidence that was used to imprach their leader. And, we are looking at a political party that has never accepted the fact of President Bush winning in 2000.



21 posted on 12/02/2005 5:57:44 AM PST by Morgan in Denver
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To: sgtbono2002

I agree..They are Dems first, Americans second.


22 posted on 12/02/2005 5:59:22 AM PST by Wristpin ( Varitek says to A-Rod: "We don't throw at .260 hitters.....")
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To: conservativehusker
IMO, it is because the minute our side fights back hard, the legacy media and the progressive blogs begin hammering that we are against free speech, that they never said whatever, that Republicans who lie are now lying again, etc, etc, etc.

The "Bush Lied" meme was orchestrated and has succeeded in driving down the numbers on his strongest point: his credibility. even when the (rigged) polls show that the majority believe we need to stay the course and that the world is better off because of our actions in Iraq, those same respondents say the POTUS is dishonest. I believe the POTUS' approval numbers took a hit from conservatives during the Miers fiasco, but I doubt it would have gone below 48% in an honest poll.

Unfortunately, responding to donk attacks ends up as a pissing contest with a skunk. I give the administration credit for coming out strong, regardless of the certain knowledge that the media is going to spin it, as witness the "Bush In A Bubble" headline or the distortion of Cheney's characterization of content as personal attacks.

The past couple of days, I have noticed our side constantly saying they respect Murtha as a former Marine and as a person, but that "He is wrong."

But, then, I only watch FNC and can't always get to the mute button when the donks are spouting. Luckily, my blood pressure isn't high to begin with.
23 posted on 12/02/2005 6:00:02 AM PST by reformedliberal (Bless our troops and pray for our nation. I am thankful for both.)
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To: reformedliberal

The same milquetoasting allowed Kerry to skate through the entire Presidential election without releasing his service record. It's not working!

The President is an honorable man, and the left committed outright theft of his decency and veteran status.


24 posted on 12/02/2005 6:11:01 AM PST by Wristpin ( Varitek says to A-Rod: "We don't throw at .260 hitters.....")
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To: ajolympian2004

25 posted on 12/02/2005 8:27:03 AM PST by Donald Rumsfeld Fan (/strike>)
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To: Morgan in Denver
So Clinton's lies are not as bad by comparison.

No Clintoon lies are not nearly as bad as the "Party of Corruption" when they are in power. Clintoon lies were just about selling our countries most treasured secrets to the Communist Chinese so they could compete with the US on missile and nuke launcher capability. Or about lying on why all the 900+ FBI files showed up in his WH bedroom - those are virtuous lies because they were for keeping the pubbies (and his own party) players on a very tight leash.

26 posted on 12/03/2005 6:13:22 PM PST by p23185 (Why isn't attempting to take down a sitting Pres & his Admin considered Sedition?)
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To: p23185

You believe this and I believe this. But, that has no meaning if there is no prosecution or consequences for these actions.


27 posted on 12/04/2005 4:44:41 AM PST by Morgan in Denver
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To: Morgan in Denver

2000, 2002, and 2004 were consequences. 2006 and 2008 will be too. Clinton set the path for all this.


28 posted on 12/04/2005 5:20:39 AM PST by Balding_Eagle (God has blessed Republicans with really stupid enemies.)
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