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Israeli intelligence sets deadline for strikes on Iran
World War 4 Report ^ | Bill Weinberg

Posted on 12/01/2005 11:10:12 PM PST by F14 Pilot

The best-case scenario for the Bush administration in Iraq now is a modicum of stability under a Shi'ite-dominated regime more loyal to Tehran than Washington. In the January 2005 elections, voters trounced the US proxies, the secular Shi'ites of Iyad Allawi's CIA-groomed Iraqi National Accord, in favor of the Tehran-backed radical Shi'ites of the Supreme Council for Islamic Revolution in Iraq. So "regime change" in Iran is now necessary for the US to maintain effective control over Iraq as well. But how, given that Bush has already got his hands more than full with an increasingly unpopular quagmire? The answer is obvious: US imperialism's regional pit-bull, Israel. From the Jerusalem Post, Nov. 30:

Military Intelligence Chief Aharon Ze'evi Farkash said [Nov. 30] that after March, Israel must be prepared to use means other than diplomacy to halt Iran's nuclear weapons program...

Farkash would not detail other options, but sources on the Knesset's Foreign Affairs and Defense Committee, which Farkash was addressing Wednesday said it was clear that Israel would have to consider taking military action against Iran.

"In my years here, seeing the data I have seen, I feel it is clear that Iran has passed the point of no return," said committee chairman Yuval Steinitz (Likud). "It is accurate to say that unless Iran encounters a major interference, it will have a functioning nuclear arsenal within one or two years."

Iran has produced 45 tons of UF- 6 gas that is used in the centrifuge process for producing enriched uranium for nuclear weapons, said Steinitz.

"If by the end of March 2006 the international community will have failed to halt Iran's nuclear weapons program, diplomatic efforts will be pointless," said Farkash. "Iran has the upper hand in negotiations with the international community.

In order to deflect international attention from its weapons program, Iran has been encouraging Hizbullah to step up attacks on Israel, said Farkash, noting that the recent Hizbullah attacks along Israel's northern border were instigated by Syria and Iran.

"The latest flare up in the north was a strategic plan by Hizbullah," Farkash said.

The story also noted that Defense Minister Shaul Mofaz denied that Israel was considering attacking Iran. He seems to (whether wittingly or not) be playing a game of good-cop/bad-cop with the bellicose Farkash.

There are several such games going on here. Israel itself is playing Bad Cop for Washington. Bush is restrained by politics from openly threatening aggression against Iran right now, so good thing Farkash is so obliging. And as veteran journalist Doug Ireland recently noted on his blog, at least some of the Iran intelligence Israel is relying on here originated in the Pentagon's Office of Special Plans. This is the leak which resulted in the indictment of two AIPAC staffers (whose arrests garnered much more media coverage than the actual content of what was leaked). So the Justice Department played Bad Cop with Israel (mostly for US domestic consumption) even while elements of the Pentagon were throwing the Israelis a wink.

The function of a system is what it does. None of this is to imply that Farkash does not really want to bomb Iraq, or that the prosecutors in the AIPAC scandal didn't really want to bring indictments. Israel is not a US puppet—it is a proxy, which performs its work with ostensible independence. Which makes the strategem all the more effective.

Of course, if Israel takes the bait and once again does Uncle Sam's dirty work, the worst of the backlash will be conveniently deflected from the US—not only to Israel, but to Jews all over the world. Will the Jews ever wake up?


TOPICS: Extended News; Foreign Affairs; Israel; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: gwot; iran; irannukes; israel; mideast; strike; usa
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To: Crim

Can it with your antisemite smears, you crackpot. You're like Jesse Jackson or Maxine Waters who call anyone a "racist" who doesn't agree with them. It's an old liberal trick - smear your opponent as a racist or bigot. Won't work though. Bush isn't going to invade Iran - he's got his Iraq ambassador talking turkey with the mullahs right now, to try and get them to squelch the "insurgents" in Iraq. That doesn't make him an antisemite


21 posted on 12/02/2005 12:17:09 AM PST by churchillbuff
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To: churchillbuff

Too bad...so sad...


22 posted on 12/02/2005 12:17:34 AM PST by endthematrix (Those who despise freedom and progress have condemned themselves to isolation, decline, and collapse)
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To: churchillbuff
China also has nuclear weapons. One of their generals has threatened they'll use them on LA if we defend Taiwan. But nobody's talking about invading China. This neocon obsession with invading Arab countries shows a very selective concern about dictators and nuclear weapons.

Your exactly right. No one is taking about invading China and our concern is very selective. Now put on your thinking cap, and the reason will come to you eventually.
23 posted on 12/02/2005 12:17:42 AM PST by Wolfhound777 (It's not our job to forgive them. Only God can do that. Our job is to arrange the meeting)
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To: churchillbuff
At a conference in Tehran, Iranian president, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad declared that Israel, "must be wiped off the map." Countries that recognize the Jewish state, he said, will "burn in the fire of the Islamic nation's fury."

This sort of talk by Iran's president is not a recent phenomenon. As everyone knows, Hitler was also quite clear about his intentions in the last century. And the failure to stop Nazi Germany in a timely fashion resulted in catastrophe. So, I can't see any logical reason to mark time until Iran has a nuke or two to toss around.

Not just the neocons, IMHO, but Israel and all of its allies are going to "get their war against Iran." The sooner that Iran is dealt with the better; I personally don't see diplomacy as having any effect on this situation. By the way, I would be happy to be proved wrong on this last point.
24 posted on 12/02/2005 12:22:10 AM PST by PerConPat (A politician is an animal which can sit on a fence and yet keep both ears to the ground.-- Mencken)
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To: churchillbuff

Hey man...I'm all FOR war with Iran...AND Syria

Like I said...you'll see an air strike from isreal long before you'll see an American boot on the ground...

But you'll cry about that too...cant have them pesky jews defend themselves...might cost you a buck a gallon more for your WHAmbulance

BTW..IDIOT...gas is 1.90 here....where's my big ole Iraq war "tax" now?...


25 posted on 12/02/2005 12:22:26 AM PST by Crim (I may be a Mr "know it all"....but I'm also a Mr "forgot most of it"...)
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To: churchillbuff
You assume all countries are on par and a MAD strategy will always work. I've seen little evidence that type of containment would work in the middle east. That being said, the cold war containment tactics involved more than just MAD - they also involved bloody warfare in places like Korea, Vietnam and Central America. Europe is playing the "containment" game with Iran. China, Japan et al have picked up the Clinton failure in Korea. We can hope for success, but history indicates it's unlikely. Even an Israeli-hating anti-neocon should be able to see that nuclear exchanges would result in higher gas prices and recessions.
27 posted on 12/02/2005 12:27:42 AM PST by rhombus
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To: Crim

When Iran was holding US hostages, Marc Rich was trading with Iran (Clinton pardoned Marc Rich as one of his final acts) Scooter Libby congratulated Marc Rich on his pardon; Scooter Libby served as lawyer for traitor Rich for years. But somehow I wouldn't be surprised if you're one of the Scooter Libby defenders at Freerepublic.


28 posted on 12/02/2005 12:27:49 AM PST by churchillbuff
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To: churchillbuff
"why are they only interested in invading countries in the middle east?"

To prevent them from becoming a more formidable, unpredictable and irrational military power.

29 posted on 12/02/2005 12:30:34 AM PST by endthematrix (Those who despise freedom and progress have condemned themselves to isolation, decline, and collapse)
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To: churchillbuff
Wanna give us you history lesson on what President Regan was doing then? I love your focus on Libby and not the fact that US hostages were taken. Uncle Sam's fault too, huh?
30 posted on 12/02/2005 12:35:45 AM PST by endthematrix (Those who despise freedom and progress have condemned themselves to isolation, decline, and collapse)
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To: churchillbuff

When Iran was holding US hostages...Jimmy carter was president...the most powerful man in the world...with the most powerful miltary in the world...

And he did squat...just another ineffetive liberal with high hopes and no ideals.

Nice try.


31 posted on 12/02/2005 12:52:03 AM PST by Crim (I may be a Mr "know it all"....but I'm also a Mr "forgot most of it"...)
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To: Crim

When Iran was holding US hostages, Marc Rich was trading with Iran (Clinton pardoned Marc Rich as one of his final acts) Scooter Libby congratulated Marc Rich on his pardon; Scooter Libby served as lawyer for traitor Rich for years. But somehow I wouldn't be surprised if you're one of the Scooter Libby defenders at Freerepublic.


oh...I almost forgot...how many more people till you get to kevin bacon?

4?

c'mon...you can DO it...


32 posted on 12/02/2005 12:54:12 AM PST by Crim (I may be a Mr "know it all"....but I'm also a Mr "forgot most of it"...)
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To: churchillbuff
What does taking out nuclear facilities have to do with invasion?

Absolutely nothing. It did not require an invasion to take out Osirek in Iraq. It did take an invasion to find out what happened to 605 abducted Kuwaitis, hundreds of missing Iranians, and hundreds of thousands of missing Iraqis, to force compliance with the Gulf War cease fire terms and so lift sanctions, and to end the Iraqi support of Abu Nidal, the PFLP, the UN fatcats, and a number of other scoundrels.

By the way, one of the ways we took out the Soviet Union was by saboutaging their moneymaking oil pipeline. The USSR did not simply collapse all by itself, though it finally did so after killing millions and creating famine around the globe. If it had been taken out sooner a lot more people would be alive today and Iraq never would have been a problem, nor Iran, nor Afghanistan, etc.

33 posted on 12/02/2005 1:25:09 AM PST by piasa (Attitude Adjustments Offered Here Free of Charge)
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To: churchillbuff

"That's what's going to happen."

Boy, I hope so...


34 posted on 12/02/2005 1:32:38 AM PST by babygene (Viable after 87 trimesters)
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To: churchillbuff
A war against Iran will send gas prices in US up by at least a dollar a gallon, maybe higher (while we don't use Iran oil directly, Japan does, and it'll be competing for us for oil from other sources). Too bad everybody will have to pay your tax, in the form of crushingly high gas taxes, and not just you war-lovers.

Dear Mr. Buchanan,

You may recall that back in '79 Ayatollah Khomeini and the Iranian theocrats authorized "radical students" (one of whom may well have been the current MFWIC of Iran) to invade US territory (our embassy), and take US citizens hostage. Since that time the Iranians (and their surrogates) have been implicated in the suicide bombing of our Marines in Lebanon, hostage takings in Lebanon, the Pan Am/Lockerbie bombing, and (possibly) the Khobar Towers operation. I bring up these inconvenient historical tidbits to suggest that the Iranians have never shown any hesitancy attacking American citizens and American interests at times and places of their choosing. The Iranian radicals even backed down "Ronaldus Magnus" Reagan, a fact duly noted by Osama Bin Laden. What makes the Iranian theocracy particularly dangerous is that they believe that the "Will of Allah" (as interpreted by the senior Ayatollah) dictates and guides their decisions. Something which makes them infinitely less predictable than the leaders of the former Soviet Union, Kim Jong Il or Hugo Chavez, all of whom could/can be relied on to do what will preserve their personal power. The possession of nuclear weapons by a theocratic regime like Iraq is tantamount to selling WMDs to a Jim Jones or a David Koresh. It is both an intolerable and an unpredictable situation, that transcends any considerations of short term economic impact or partisan political consequence.

For the record, by definition I cannot be a "neocon". I am not a "used to be" liberal who still believes in an expansive Federal government on the domestic side, while supporting an aggressive foreign policy internationally.

35 posted on 12/02/2005 1:54:29 AM PST by pawdoggie
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To: pawdoggie

but the question is what our government is doing to stop Iranian regime!


36 posted on 12/02/2005 1:57:30 AM PST by F14 Pilot (Democracy is a process not a product)
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To: F14 Pilot

From the article:

"The function of a system is what it does. None of this is to imply that Farkash does not really want to bomb Iraq,"

The author seems a bit confused, wasn't his article about attacking Iran???


37 posted on 12/02/2005 2:02:38 AM PST by happinesswithoutpeace (You are receiving this broadcast as a dream)
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To: churchillbuff

"...if you neocons get your war against Iran."

Excuse me? You make very little sense, especially the part about neo-cons is really stupid and bigoted.

If we nuke 'em, so be it, but it's not because of some "secret cabal of neo-cons".

No one really knows how this is all going to turn out, but so far the Bush team has been making all the right moves, and will probably do so with the "Iranian Crisis".

Proud to be a NEO-CON!


38 posted on 12/02/2005 2:17:56 AM PST by Left2Right ("Democracy isn't perfect, but other governments are so much worse")
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To: Crim
yawn.... the good ol' I am lacking a point but i got zot music is making me sleepy...


this is a DISCUSSION board and in opposition to a wan**** board it just needs different opinions.

else be bored to death
39 posted on 12/02/2005 2:36:20 AM PST by globalheater (we need all kinds of thoughts)
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To: F14 Pilot
So what if Israel is the bad cop of the U.S.?

Iran's nuclear capability needs to be taken out! I doubt very much that any Israeli action against Iran will hurt the world's Jews. It's Israeli Jews acting weak that will hurt U.S. Jews because anti-Semites are sadistic bullies who can smell weakness.

40 posted on 12/02/2005 2:40:17 AM PST by Stepan12
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