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1 posted on 11/30/2005 11:16:40 AM PST by neverdem
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To: neverdem

I hate to see the various compromises going on, but whatever's necessary to shove Doyle's veto where the sun don't shine is OK with me.

On the few occasions where I have been pulled over by a cop, I keep my hands in view, advise him that my permit is in my wallet and that my firearm is on my hip. I do that for MY protection because I don't want him to find out by surprise and possibly draw down on me out of an unfounded fear. As for the cops, it's not folks who are legally armed that they need to be worrying about.


2 posted on 11/30/2005 11:24:26 AM PST by Emmett McCarthy
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To: neverdem
The few exceptions include schools, taverns and police stations.

That's like half of Wisconsin isn't it? (3/4ths in Cudahy)

3 posted on 11/30/2005 11:26:04 AM PST by John O (God Save America (Please))
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To: neverdem

Under the measure, whenever an officer runs the registration of a vehicle he stops, a screen would pop up alerting him if the owner has a permit to carry a concealed weapon, said Casey Perry, executive director of the Wisconsin Troopers Association.



I guess those from out of state, or who are smart enough to have their cars registered to an LLC (preferably out of state) will have all the privacy they need, and won't have to worry about ignorant cops getting twitchy.


4 posted on 11/30/2005 11:28:59 AM PST by Atlas Sneezed (Your FRiendly FReeper Patent Attorney)
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To: neverdem
--The GOP, pushed by National Rifle Association lobbyists, passed similar legislation in 2003, saying people should be allowed to shoot criminals who attack them.--

--no agenda in that statement, is there?

5 posted on 11/30/2005 11:30:36 AM PST by rellimpank (Don't believe anything about firearms or explosives stated by the mass media---NRABenefactor)
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To: neverdem
"This way we would know before we approach the vehicle," Perry said. "We think it's a safety issue for the people that we stop, as well as the officers. It is major because it's a deal breaker for us."

Not that facts matter to ignoramuses, but CCW-holders have a lower rate of criminal conduct than law officers and clergymen, to name just a couple of categories of potential criminals.

6 posted on 11/30/2005 11:31:04 AM PST by E. Pluribus Unum (Islam Factoid:After forcing young girls to watch his men execute their fathers, Muhammad raped them.)
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To: neverdem

Doyle vetoed photo ID for voting but has required photo ID for purchasing cold medicine. Our Gov is bot and paid for by Casino, Trial Lawyers, Teachers Unions and the loony left.


8 posted on 11/30/2005 11:33:45 AM PST by stocksthatgoup (Polls = Proof that when the MSM want your opinion it will give it to you.)
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To: neverdem



If a cop knows he's pulling over a CC permit holder, all he knows is he's pulling over someone who took the time to be legal and is less likely than others to misuse his gun.

How do the cops in Florida survive day to day not knowing if a car has a gun in it?

Drivers can carry in their vehicles without a permit.


9 posted on 11/30/2005 11:36:24 AM PST by Eagle Eye (There ought to be a law against excess legislation.)
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To: neverdem
Under the measure, whenever an officer runs the registration of a vehicle he stops, a screen would pop up alerting him if the owner has a permit to carry a concealed weapon

And thereby giving the officer some sort of license to be a hardass to the driver, and request a search of the vehicle.
10 posted on 11/30/2005 11:36:47 AM PST by July 4th (A vacant lot cancelled out my vote for Bush.)
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To: neverdem
Man, they sure have this backwarks. LEO are going to have a lot less to fear with those who show up on their system as CCW carriers. CCW carriers are statistically less likely to break the CCW laws or pose any threats to LEO.

But, hey, if this will help pass the PPA, I can accept this compromise.

"It doesn't change the fact the governor doesn't think people should be carrying weapons around," Fonder said.

Like we expect him to sign it into law... *snort!*

We're gunning for a successful override.


12 posted on 11/30/2005 11:40:37 AM PST by Ladysmith ((NRA, SAS) Support Zien's PPA/CCW bill in Wisconsin.)
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To: 2nd amendment mama; basil; songbird51; Ronaldus Magnus
Ping to WI CCW article.


15 posted on 11/30/2005 11:48:54 AM PST by Ladysmith ((NRA, SAS) Support Zien's PPA/CCW bill in Wisconsin.)
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To: neverdem

"Under the measure, whenever an officer runs the registration of a vehicle he stops, a screen would pop up alerting him if the owner has a permit to carry a concealed weapon, said Casey Perry, executive director of the Wisconsin Troopers Association.

"This way we would know before we approach the vehicle," Perry said. "We think it's a safety issue for the people that we stop, as well as the officers. It is major because it's a deal breaker for us."

Makes sense to me. That way the police will know if a criminal was stupid enough to apply for and receive a concealed carry permit.


18 posted on 11/30/2005 12:23:54 PM PST by ZULU (Fear the government which fears your guns. God, guts, and guns made America great.)
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To: neverdem

"Whut? 'scuse me ossifer, while I whup this out . . "
http://tombstonearms.com/WASR-10.html


20 posted on 11/30/2005 12:50:22 PM PST by tumblindice (Name's Randy but my friends call me 'Freakshow')
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To: neverdem
Police could check whether the owner of a car they stop is carrying a concealed weapon...

Typical MSM. Don't even have to go past the first sentence to find a misstatement. Should read: Police could check whether the owner of a car they stop is legally carrying a concealed weapon...
22 posted on 11/30/2005 2:09:52 PM PST by javachip
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To: neverdem

Camels nose?

First step in registering all gun owners.

Not good!


23 posted on 11/30/2005 2:19:12 PM PST by DonnerT (New Orleans: A microcosm of the world without God.)
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To: neverdem
Criminals don't drive cars registered in their names and don't
own firearms traceable on 4473s back to them either...let alone pass the background checks or take the classes necessary to CCW....

The rank n file cops in this state are fine but the Police Chief's Assoc and State Patrol Union seem to lean heavily as Doyle and Lautenschlagger loyalists inspite of the crimes they commit ...

They also seem to have little (if any) love for the U.S.Constitution and or BOR and especially the 2nd Amendment...

They could not stand the foregoing of sticking a finger in the eye of this law...as usual what they demand will not do one single thing to protect the street cop..the rank and file...not one stinking thing...they simply have to have a say in this so they can say they screwed with tax paying loyal honest citizens demands...and got to ride roughshod (at least a little) over our Constitutional and God given rights once again..

However anything that forces Doyle & Lautenschlagger to do the will of those who pay his salary rather than the Marxists who pull their strings is OK by me too.

God bless and protect those cops who love our country and it's Constitution and who will stand up for those honest citizens right to self and family protection

Lord knows that in the face of the criminal evil scum coming at us from south of the border (even in my little rural WI town) we are going to need all the decent cops and folks we can muster..

The Washington and Madison of our day (DC & WI) are certainly not interested in watching out for us in fact it almost seems to the contrary.

IMO

26 posted on 11/30/2005 5:53:20 PM PST by joesnuffy (A camel once bit my sister...necessitating her untimely death..-Mullet Ho'mar)
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To: neverdem
Criminals don't drive cars registered in their names and don't
own firearms traceable on 4473s back to them either...let alone pass the background checks or take the classes necessary to CCW....

The rank n file cops in this state are fine but the Police Chief's Assoc and State Patrol Union seem to lean heavily as Doyle and Lautenschlagger loyalists inspite of the crimes they commit ...

They also seem to have little (if any) love for the U.S.Constitution and or BOR and especially the 2nd Amendment...

They could not stand the foregoing of sticking a finger in the eye of this law...as usual what they demand will not do one single thing to protect the street cop..the rank and file...not one stinking thing...they simply have to have a say in this so they can say they screwed with tax paying loyal honest citizens demands...and got to ride roughshod (at least a little) over our Constitutional and God given rights once again..

However anything that forces Doyle & Lautenschlagger to do the will of those who pay his salary rather than the Marxists who pull their strings is OK by me too.

God bless and protect those cops who love our country and it's Constitution and who will stand up for those honest citizens right to self and family protection

Lord knows that in the face of the criminal evil scum coming at us from south of the border (even in my little rural WI town) we are going to need all the decent cops and folks we can muster..

The Washington and Madison of our day (DC & WI) are certainly not interested in watching out for us in fact it almost seems to the contrary.

IMO

27 posted on 11/30/2005 5:53:35 PM PST by joesnuffy (A camel once bit my sister...necessitating her untimely death..-Mullet Ho'mar)
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To: neverdem
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1531784/posts

Cross-linking.

29 posted on 12/01/2005 4:31:17 AM PST by Ladysmith ((NRA, SAS) Support Zien's PPA/CCW bill in Wisconsin.)
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