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Compromise reached on weapons bill (WI)
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| Nov. 30, 2005
| TODD RICHMOND
Posted on 11/30/2005 11:16:40 AM PST by neverdem
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posted on
11/30/2005 11:16:40 AM PST
by
neverdem
To: neverdem
I hate to see the various compromises going on, but whatever's necessary to shove Doyle's veto where the sun don't shine is OK with me.
On the few occasions where I have been pulled over by a cop, I keep my hands in view, advise him that my permit is in my wallet and that my firearm is on my hip. I do that for MY protection because I don't want him to find out by surprise and possibly draw down on me out of an unfounded fear. As for the cops, it's not folks who are legally armed that they need to be worrying about.
To: neverdem
The few exceptions include schools, taverns and police stations. That's like half of Wisconsin isn't it? (3/4ths in Cudahy)
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posted on
11/30/2005 11:26:04 AM PST
by
John O
(God Save America (Please))
To: neverdem
Under the measure, whenever an officer runs the registration of a vehicle he stops, a screen would pop up alerting him if the owner has a permit to carry a concealed weapon, said Casey Perry, executive director of the Wisconsin Troopers Association.
I guess those from out of state, or who are smart enough to have their cars registered to an LLC (preferably out of state) will have all the privacy they need, and won't have to worry about ignorant cops getting twitchy.
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posted on
11/30/2005 11:28:59 AM PST
by
Atlas Sneezed
(Your FRiendly FReeper Patent Attorney)
To: neverdem
--
The GOP, pushed by National Rifle Association lobbyists, passed similar legislation in 2003, saying people should be allowed to shoot criminals who attack them.--
--no agenda in that statement, is there?
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posted on
11/30/2005 11:30:36 AM PST
by
rellimpank
(Don't believe anything about firearms or explosives stated by the mass media---NRABenefactor)
To: neverdem
"This way we would know before we approach the vehicle," Perry said. "We think it's a safety issue for the people that we stop, as well as the officers. It is major because it's a deal breaker for us." Not that facts matter to ignoramuses, but CCW-holders have a lower rate of criminal conduct than law officers and clergymen, to name just a couple of categories of potential criminals.
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posted on
11/30/2005 11:31:04 AM PST
by
E. Pluribus Unum
(Islam Factoid:After forcing young girls to watch his men execute their fathers, Muhammad raped them.)
To: John O
That's how I remember Kenosha. But then my memories date back to my days at Great Lakes, and Kenosha was the closest town that allowed 18-year-olds to drink.
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posted on
11/30/2005 11:31:39 AM PST
by
SmithL
(There are a lot of people that hate Bush more than they hate terrorists)
To: neverdem
Doyle vetoed photo ID for voting but has required photo ID for purchasing cold medicine. Our Gov is bot and paid for by Casino, Trial Lawyers, Teachers Unions and the loony left.
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posted on
11/30/2005 11:33:45 AM PST
by
stocksthatgoup
(Polls = Proof that when the MSM want your opinion it will give it to you.)
To: neverdem
If a cop knows he's pulling over a CC permit holder, all he knows is he's pulling over someone who took the time to be legal and is less likely than others to misuse his gun.
How do the cops in Florida survive day to day not knowing if a car has a gun in it?
Drivers can carry in their vehicles without a permit.
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posted on
11/30/2005 11:36:24 AM PST
by
Eagle Eye
(There ought to be a law against excess legislation.)
To: neverdem
Under the measure, whenever an officer runs the registration of a vehicle he stops, a screen would pop up alerting him if the owner has a permit to carry a concealed weapon
And thereby giving the officer some sort of license to be a hardass to the driver, and request a search of the vehicle.
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posted on
11/30/2005 11:36:47 AM PST
by
July 4th
(A vacant lot cancelled out my vote for Bush.)
This way the cop can disarm you for the duration of the stop.....for safety reasons. Gee, I wonder if we can insist that the cop be disarmed, too? A significant number of people have been shot by cops!
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posted on
11/30/2005 11:40:01 AM PST
by
Stump
To: neverdem
Man, they sure have this backwarks. LEO are going to have a lot less to fear with those who show up on their system as CCW carriers. CCW carriers are statistically less likely to break the CCW laws or pose any threats to LEO.
But, hey, if this will help pass the PPA, I can accept this compromise.
"It doesn't change the fact the governor doesn't think people should be carrying weapons around," Fonder said.
Like we expect him to sign it into law... *snort!*
We're gunning for a successful override.
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posted on
11/30/2005 11:40:37 AM PST
by
Ladysmith
((NRA, SAS) Support Zien's PPA/CCW bill in Wisconsin.)
To: July 4th
Thankfully, in Texas anyway, police tend to be much more respectful of people with their CCL. Police do know when they pull your license (not as sure about registration) whether you've got a CCL or not. We were advised that, while it's not required if you're not carrying at the time, you always should tell the officer and tell him the status of any weapons you might or might not have with you.
Possession of the license shows someone who was willing to go through a process to prove that you should be permitted to have that permit. Part of that process ensures you have a clean criminal record, and no history of other problems. All in all, good insurance for the police.
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posted on
11/30/2005 11:42:13 AM PST
by
faloi
To: July 4th
You would think that the driver having a permit would be comforting rather than alarming. I have a friend who was pulled over and the LEOs really got dramatic when told there was a pistol on board - in the trunk even.
I feel more comfortable having citizens armed that some LEOs I've seen.
mc
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posted on
11/30/2005 11:47:45 AM PST
by
mcshot
(I BELIEVE CONGRESSMAN WELDON. Yup! shouting it out!)
To: 2nd amendment mama; basil; songbird51; Ronaldus Magnus
Ping to WI CCW article.
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posted on
11/30/2005 11:48:54 AM PST
by
Ladysmith
((NRA, SAS) Support Zien's PPA/CCW bill in Wisconsin.)
To: Ladysmith
Has anyone counted up the number of INFRINGEMENTS in this claptrap of a law?
Lordy, how much longer are we going to put up with this? I think it would be interesting if some statistician somewhere would compile a list of all the laws on the books in the USA that are pure infringements of the Second Amendment. My guess would be that the list would probably circle the globe a time or two.
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posted on
11/30/2005 12:17:57 PM PST
by
basil
(Exercise your Second Amendment--buy another gun today!)
To: Emmett McCarthy
Used to do the same thing. As a matter of courtesy to someone tasked with doing what can be a difficult job. As often as I used to interact with LE Os (working outside at night in weird places) it was never a problem, and they generally seemed pleased that I told them up front.
Then one day I got hauled out of my truck and treated like a criminal because I let the officer know I was legally armed. I was disarmed, frisked, forced to stand in "the position" while all my DL/CCW/DMV paperwork was run through the system. 30 minutes of standing in the rain convinced me that courtesy was obviously a one way street.
If they ask I'll let them know my status, otherwise I volunteer nothing.
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posted on
11/30/2005 12:21:23 PM PST
by
Groganeer
(God, Guns, Trucks-The Redneck Trinity)
To: neverdem
"Under the measure, whenever an officer runs the registration of a vehicle he stops, a screen would pop up alerting him if the owner has a permit to carry a concealed weapon, said Casey Perry, executive director of the Wisconsin Troopers Association.
"This way we would know before we approach the vehicle," Perry said. "We think it's a safety issue for the people that we stop, as well as the officers. It is major because it's a deal breaker for us."
Makes sense to me. That way the police will know if a criminal was stupid enough to apply for and receive a concealed carry permit.
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posted on
11/30/2005 12:23:54 PM PST
by
ZULU
(Fear the government which fears your guns. God, guts, and guns made America great.)
To: basil
Yeah, they bite. But they're nothing compared to the Big One we have right now.
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posted on
11/30/2005 12:36:04 PM PST
by
Ladysmith
((NRA, SAS) Support Zien's PPA/CCW bill in Wisconsin.)
To: neverdem
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posted on
11/30/2005 12:50:22 PM PST
by
tumblindice
(Name's Randy but my friends call me 'Freakshow')
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