Link to thread from a couple days ago.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1528984/posts
I'm no expert, but to me this is like searching the 83 year old grandmother at the airport.
Is Denver so crime free that they have time to do this?
Never mind the WOT. This is going to come up more and more with respect to immigration. We can have privacy, or we can have a national ID system, but not both. I'm still on the side of privacy.
This is a little excessive. Now I'm sympathetic to Ms. Davis. But Rosa Parks not only stood up to unwise legal requirements, Ms. Parks had to transform the hearts and minds of the segrationist south.
Ms. Davis, I hope you win your case. But you are dealing with a few idiotic bozos with a little too much power. You are not standing up to an evil decades-old social structure. Rosa Parks is in a class to herself.
However redundant showing IDs is, if a suicide bomber knows that fed police board the bus, they might pick another target. I don't have a problem showing my ID. I don't have anything to hide.
Doesn't she know that "Papers, please" was ruled constitutional not long ago?
I've read several articles on this incident and in none of them have I heard a good argument for why it was important for authorities to see her ID. The 9/11 hijackers had ID good enough to get them on a plane, so it doesn't look like insisting on ID is much of an obstacle to an evildoer on a bus. This blind insistence on ID is a bit too much like an interior passport for my taste.
Tha ACLU is supposedly representing her;
http://www.papersplease.org/davis/index.html
How come it is that the ACLU is called in on these type of things? I see both sides of the debate, and in time of war come down on the side of caution, but why these ass clowns get involved EVERY single time is beyond me.
BigMack
Scotus recently ruled on this issue. You can be lawfully detained when you refuse to show ID when asked to do so, until such time as your Identity can be established.
This gal has no case.
I thought this issue was already decided against We the People? I thought the courts ruled that the people must surrender an ID upon any government official's demand?
"And he said, 'May I see it?' " she recalled, "and I said no."
The guard told her she had to leave the bus, but she refused. Two officers with the Federal Protective Service were called. "
So ... she had the ID ... she refused to show it (because she is special and the rules do not apply to her) so she is asked to leave the bus because she does not abide by the rules. She refuses to leave. Because she refuses to leave, is removed. She should have been charged with trespassing if she refuses to leave when she is told to.
"Rusnok said the federal officers in Colorado told him the policy of checking the IDs of bus passengers and others entering the Federal Center began shortly after the April 1995 terrorist bombing of a federal building in Oklahoma City. "
Its reallt simple, she needs to get her own transportation if she doesnt want to follow the rules on that bus.
I'm no Constitutional expert, but it seems to me that if the Federal Center requires an ID check prior to entry, then the buses should either require an ID check prior to boarding the bus which enters the facility, or the bus should change it's route to bypass the facility.
Quite honestly, I think the city is a fault here.
"Interesting conflict of priorities. The right to be secure in your own person vs. requirements to fight the war on terror. Constitutional experts weigh in here..."
Illegals don't have to show an ID....most times the officer doesn't want to stir up a hornets next.....so why should legal American citizens have to provide ID?
It's interesting, but I don't think she has much of a case. The bus was on Federal property at the time. Most Federal facilities have implied consent, meaning that by entering that facility, you consent to be searched if requested. I work on a military installation, and there is a sign to that effect clearly posted as you drive onto post, just before the security checkpoint.
According to the article, checking ID was a regular part of the bus trip as the bus passed through the federal property. After her very first trip, she would have known this. If she really had heartburn over it, she should've found an alternate means of transportation. Personally, I think she's just grandstanding.
I am not an expert, but I am inclined to go with the bus rider here. Check ID getting off the bus in the center, maybe, but just passing through? No.