Rockefeller’s Treachery (Interesting Piece Contains Info. on Saddam Getting WMD Out of Iraq)

The Rant.us ^ | November 29, 2005 | Joan Swirsky

[MikeA]

The part near the end about intelligence evidence of Saddam's WMD being hidden by and in Syria is interesting. It's time conservatives from Bush on down stop conceeding the point that "Saddam had WMD and we were all wrong." The question that needs to be asked is, "What became of Saddam's WMD?" We know he had them at one time. That fact is not in dispute, unless you want to claim the 5000 Kurds killed at Halabja and 10s of thousands of Iranian soldiers killed by Saddam WMD were all just playing possum. Indeed, Saddam's own generals thought he had WMD. So we need to ask what became of these weapons. NO ONE, not even the president, is asking that question.

It may be that the idea they were moved into Lebanon by the Syrians is complete bunk, though it seems plausible. Though I do question why none of Saddam's former officers who would have known of the movement haven't confirmed this, or at least that we know of. But SOMETHING happened to those weapons and Saddam never provided the answer. We need to ask what he did with them instead of constantly giving in to the left and saying "Oh yeah, Saddam never had any WMD" which is pure b.s. The left will even deny now that Saddam EVER had WMD. We must not cave in to their intellectual dishonesty.

There may not have been WMD in Iraq at the time of the invasion, but they were there at one time. What's become of them since is the giant black hole in the debate on pre-war intelligence.

[DennisR]

To contact Sen. Rockefeller to tell him how you feel about his treasonous trip:

Rockefeller, John
531 HART SENATE OFFICE BUILDING WASHINGTON DC 20510
(202) 224-6472
Web Form: http://rockefeller.senate.gov/services/email.cfm

[MikeA]

I hope West Virginians will make Robert Byrd pay the price for Rockefeller's sedition next year since Byrd is up for re-election and Rockefeller is not. I can't believe they'd send that senile old crank back to the Senate in any event. What the hell good is he to anyone anymore?

[Cicero]

The word "Russia" does not appear anywhere in this article. It would seem that at least some of the weapons and materials were moved out of Iraq and across the border into Syria by Russian truck convoys with diplomatic immunity. Some of these convoys were still leaving even as our tanks were moving toward Baghdad from the south.

Presumably these last convoys would have included whatever WMDs remained in the country after the earlier removals. That also seems to have been what happened to the weapons cache that the NY Times made such a fuss about shortly before last year's election, in hopes of putting kerry over the top.

[infidel29]

marking

[Calpernia]

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[Just A Nobody]

Thanks for posting! Saved.

[Just mythoughts]

July 13, 2003 Jay Rockefeller talking to npr.

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=1335540

[Just mythoughts]

Jay Rockefeller - Intelligence Failures

http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/fedagencies/july-dec04/senate_7-09.html


He seems to keep pointing a finger at Niger and intell interesting given his timing and alll.

[Just mythoughts]

http://www.senate.gov/~rockefeller/news/2002/flrstmt0102002.html

October 10, 2002 statement of Senator John D. Rockefeller IV on the Senate Floor.

"There is unmistakable evidence that Saddam Hussein is working aggressively to develop nuclear weapons and will likely have nuclear weapons within the next five years. And that may happen sooner if he can obtain access to enriched uranium from foreign sources -- something that is not that difficult in the current world. We also should remember we have always underestimated the progress Saddam has made in development of weapons of mass destruction."


Interesting that Joe Wilson went Feb 2002 to Niger.

[infidel29]

Made this cartoon as per a request from another Freeper, thought it was applicable again here.

[DennisR]

Really. Byrd is definitely the King of Pork - the sickness that all members of Congress seem to contract once they get within the Beltway. It is disgusting and unpatriotic, in the least. But you have to hand it to Bobby - he practically has the whole state of WV named after him, I believe.

[leebert]

> The left will even deny now that Saddam EVER had
> WMD. We must not cave in to their intellectual
> dishonesty.

Hey, I'm a left-leaning "liberal" and I'm tracking the WMD evidence... see http://apognosis.com/wikka.php?wakka=IraqiWMDevidence

So does Chris Hitchens, an avowed Socialist (Fabian Socialist, former Trotskyite, never Maoist or Stalinist)... see: http://www.hitchensweb.com

/lee

[MikeA]

Kudos to you for your intellectual integrity. And yes, I have read most everything Chris Hitchens has written about the Iraq effort and he too is deserving of praise for his integrity. Thank you for standing firm against the barrage of lies and demagoguery coming from so many on the left.

Please don't take it personally my comment about "the left" denying that there ever were WMD. Clearly however you are in a distinct minority now among the liberal, left-leaning movement of those who will admit we were right to do what we did in Iraq and that we're wrong not to be asking what became of WMD.

I would refer you to yesterday's Wall Street Journal piece by the way written by Senator Joe Lieberman who is another Democrat with integrity and guts on the war effort. He cited the tremendous progress we're making in Iraq and his deep concerns that the divisions here at home are making it difficult on our troops.

Anyway, thanks again for your patriotism and honesty. Very refreshing.

[leebert]

>Please don't take it personally my comment about
> "the left" denying that there ever were WMD.

Oh, I *know* the left youre talking about.. I gripe about them often, as does Hitchens..

> Clearly however you are in a distinct minority
> now among the liberal, left-leaning movement

We are few... just look at the estrangement of Hitchens... somehow that Scientology apologist Cockburn is lauded while the Hitch is reviled...

> of those who will admit we were right to do what we
> did in Iraq and that we're wrong not to be
> asking what became of WMD.

It's a problem of proportionalism, I'm afraid. The anti-conservative paranoia of the *honest and earnest* part of the left is as deep-seated as say some of the xenophobic attitudes I see from the other side of the aisle (no, let's not go there and just relish this moment of allied thinking ... ;-), and hence they misperceive and/or exaggerate the threat of US hegemony vs. Islamic fascism & WMD in Araby. And that's the earnest and guileless left, the Buddhists, the Quakers, the milquetoast isolationists... Then there's the crypto-fascist WWPrs and LaRoucheite Ramsey Clarkers & Chomskyites who are deluded to a level I find hard to comprehend. They feed the most puerile propaganda to the guiless sheep and still think it'd be nice if Kosovo was a howling wasteland so long as it proved that the USA was evil incarnate.

I'm an apostate's apostate, so I'm in disagreement with everyone.

[eyespysomething]

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[MikeA]

is as deep-seated as say some of the xenophobic attitudes I see from the other side of the aisle (no, let's not go there and just relish this moment of allied thinking ... ;-),

IT's okay, I would have agreed with you. Unless I miss my mark, I'm thinking you're referring to the Buchananite/Novak wing of the conservative movement, a movement of isolationist small-thinkers I've had issue with for many, many years. Their protectionism and advocacy for fortress America are galling to me, and to my thinking contradict true conservatism, just like the vituperative America-bashing we see coming out of the left contradicts the FDR/Truman/JFK model of foreign activism and liberationist thinking.

[leebert]

> Unless I miss my mark, I'm thinking you're
> referring to the Buchananite/Novak wing of
> the conservative movement,

Yup, them. Maybe being liberal I haven't fully examined the distinction & I probably should.

Best regards,

/lee

[MikeA]

"Yup, them. Maybe being liberal I haven't fully examined the distinction & I probably should."

Fortunately those two clowns only represent a small, though vocal, minority in the GOP, maybe 20% at best. They certainly don't represent me by any stretch. In fact, I find them loathsome. But I'm glad to say even many of among that minority are very nervous to demand an immediate pull out from Iraq. I think they know how they'll be perceived in taking such a position. Apparently Murtha doesn't quite grasp what he's making his entire party appear to be.

[Howlin]

Looks like this article got overlooked.