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2nd KU class denies status of science to design theory
Lawrence Journal-World ^ | Sunday, November 27, 2005 | Sophia Maines

Posted on 11/28/2005 6:54:46 AM PST by Right Wing Professor

Intelligent design — already the planned subject of a controversial Kansas University seminar this spring — will make its way into a second KU classroom in the fall, this time labeled as a “pseudoscience.”

In addition to intelligent design, the class Archaeological Myths and Realities will cover such topics as UFOs, crop circles, extrasensory perception and the ancient pyramids.

John Hoopes, associate professor of anthropology, said the course focused on critical thinking and taught how to differentiate science and “pseudoscience.” Intelligent design belongs in the second category, he said, because it cannot be tested and proven false.

“I think this is very important for students to be articulate about — they need to be able to define and recognize pseudoscience,” Hoopes said.

News of the new class provided fresh fuel to conservatives already angered that KU planned to offer a religious studies class this spring on intelligent design as “mythology.”

“The two areas that KU is trying to box this issue into are completely inappropriate,” said Brian Sandefur, a mechanical engineer in Lawrence who has been a vocal proponent of intelligent design.

Intelligent design is the idea that life is too complex to have evolved without a “designer,” presumably a god or other supernatural being. That concept is at the heart of Kansas’ new public school science standards — greatly ridiculed by the mainstream science community but lauded by religious conservatives — that critique the theory of evolution.

Hoopes said his class would be a version of another course, titled Fantastic Archaeology, which he helped develop as a graduate student at Harvard University.

The course will look at the myths people have created to explain mysterious occurrences, such as crop circles, which some speculate were caused by extraterrestrials.

The course will explore how myth can be created to negative effects, as in the case of the “myth of the moundbuilders.” In early American history, some people believed the earthen mounds found primarily in the area of the Ohio and Mississippi river valleys were the works of an ancient civilization destroyed by American Indians. The myth contributed to the Indian Removal Act of 1830, which relocated American Indians east of the Mississippi to lands in the west, Hoopes said.

“It was that popular explanation that then became a cause for genocide,” Hoopes said.

That example shows the need to identify pseudoscience, he said.

“What I’m trying to do is deal with pseudoscience regardless of where it’s coming from,” he said.

But Sandefur said intelligent design was rooted in chemistry and molecular biology, not religion, and it should be discussed in science courses.

“The way KU is addressing it I think is completely inadequate,” he said.

Hoopes said he hoped his class stirs controversy. He said students liked to discuss topics that are current and relevant to their lives.

“Controversy makes people think,” he said. “The more controversy, the stronger the course is.”


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News; US: Kansas
KEYWORDS: crevolist; evofreaks; evolution; highereducation; idiocy; ignoranceisstrength; ku; pseudoscience; science; scienceeducation
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To: WmCraven_Wk
There has never been seen a verified example of one species evolving into another. It just doesn't happen.

Wrong. In fact, very wrong. You'd think people would know by now how how false this statement is. Yet people keep claiming it, in willful disregard for the truth.

61 posted on 11/28/2005 8:55:23 AM PST by Right Wing Professor
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To: KeepUSfree; Blake#1; Right Wing Professor
We're stil hoping you're TRYING to be funny

I think he's funny.

Althought I'll admit it'ss easy to wonder about the intent. Creationitssts mentioning homosexuality is as much a characteristic riff as John Kerry mentioning he served in Vietnam

62 posted on 11/28/2005 8:55:29 AM PST by Oztrich Boy (Paging Nehemiah Scudder:the Crazy Years are peaking. America is ready for you.)
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To: Oztrich Boy

O.K., I'll bite. It's a problem because American productivity is tied to technological innovation and utilization. By discovering and utilizing technology, our workers are more individually productive than those of other countries. That is in turn what enables us to maintain our standard of living. Countries that do not do this have lower standards of living. If don't maintain this lead, we'll be less able to compete with countries such as India and China, and the competition with them will cause our standards of living to converge.


63 posted on 11/28/2005 8:56:05 AM PST by RonF
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To: Dimensio

That's just spooky.


64 posted on 11/28/2005 8:56:11 AM PST by Right Wing Professor
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To: Right Wing Professor
I'm a believer in human freedom in general and the US Constitution in particular. The actions of the Kansas School Board infringe on both.

How?

65 posted on 11/28/2005 8:57:26 AM PST by RonF
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To: Right Wing Professor

Give it a minute. That sound you hear is the creationist moving the goalposts.


66 posted on 11/28/2005 8:57:36 AM PST by Dimensio (http://angryflower.com/bobsqu.gif <-- required reading before you use your next apostrophe!)
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To: Dimensio

Your hostility is showing. Keep calm, try banging your head against a door!


67 posted on 11/28/2005 8:57:59 AM PST by Blake#1
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To: Oztrich Boy
"Creationists mentioning homosexuality is as much a characteristic riff as John Kerry mentioning he served in Vietnam."

You can tell a lot about people by their obsessions.
68 posted on 11/28/2005 8:58:53 AM PST by CarolinaGuitarman ("There is a grandeur in this view of life...")
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To: RonF
O.K., I'll bite. It's a problem because American productivity

Again, That's a problem for you.

69 posted on 11/28/2005 8:59:26 AM PST by Oztrich Boy (Paging Nehemiah Scudder:the Crazy Years are peaking. America is ready for you.)
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To: WmCraven_Wk
There has never been seen a verified example of one species evolving into another. It just doesn't happen.

You asked for a verified example, and I gave you one -- How about Homo erectus =====> Homo sapiens. Now you want it to have been observed and reproducible?

By your requirements, physical observation and reproducibility, pretty much nothing can be demonstrated. You are not doing science.

Do you believe in the global flood too?

70 posted on 11/28/2005 8:59:47 AM PST by Coyoteman (I love the sound of beta decay in the morning!)
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To: Dimensio
Give it a minute. That sound you hear is the creationist moving the goalposts.

Oh yeah, I know. Gets to be, you can figure it out three moves in advance.

71 posted on 11/28/2005 8:59:48 AM PST by Right Wing Professor
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To: Blake#1

Okay, you clearly don't have a rational argument to offer. Nevermind then.


72 posted on 11/28/2005 9:01:39 AM PST by Dimensio (http://angryflower.com/bobsqu.gif <-- required reading before you use your next apostrophe!)
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To: lonestar67
...censorship of scientiests such as Behe.

Behe wasn't functioning as a scientist when he formulated his ID theories...there's not a bit of science in ID.

Actually science welcomes critiques that are meaningful and generated by data derived via the scientific method. In fact, that is exactly the way science progresses.

ID is actually sophistry.

73 posted on 11/28/2005 9:02:59 AM PST by Rudder
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To: Oztrich Boy

Actually it's a problem for everyone. The techology of our species as a whole is made up of efforts from many countries. If technological innovation in a country falls it not only lowers that countries economy and esteem, but it also reduces the pace of global technological innovation.

My country (UK) is quite poor when it comes to research, I don't even think we're in the top 15 :(

I am glad the US is churning out so many innovations and research inititives as it makes up the most significant part of global technology inventions. I wish my country had the motivation to put more effort in when it came to research. But all the money gets wasted on socialist programs instead.


74 posted on 11/28/2005 9:05:38 AM PST by bobdsmith
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To: RonF
I'm a believer in human freedom in general and the US Constitution in particular. The actions of the Kansas School Board infringe on both.

How?

By adding religiously motivated falsehoods to the biology curriculum, they infringe on the right of Kansans to be free of an established religion.

75 posted on 11/28/2005 9:07:57 AM PST by Right Wing Professor
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To: Right Wing Professor

Currently, you mean. The sectarian views of the Evolutionists are being forced on all of us. It will be nice to hear other viewpoints.


76 posted on 11/28/2005 9:09:26 AM PST by jjmcgo
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To: jjmcgo
The sectarian views of the Evolutionists are being forced on all of us. It will be nice to hear other viewpoints.

In science classes????

77 posted on 11/28/2005 9:11:16 AM PST by Coyoteman (I love the sound of beta decay in the morning!)
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To: jjmcgo
The sectarian views of the Evolutionists are being forced on all of us.

'Evolutionists' are not a religious group. In fact, advocates of the scientific theory of the origin of species subscribe to many religions, and in some cases to none. Evolution is no more a religion than math is.

78 posted on 11/28/2005 9:12:39 AM PST by Right Wing Professor
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To: jjmcgo
It will be nice to hear other viewpoints.

Name one that is scientifically generated.

79 posted on 11/28/2005 9:13:28 AM PST by Rudder
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To: RonF

By the same standard, your theory fails because my little blonde granddaughter doesn't look like an ape and if you say she does, you're in a world of trouble, pal.
Ah, the old missing link, eh? Piltdown Man was her other grandfather?


80 posted on 11/28/2005 9:14:22 AM PST by jjmcgo
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