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Firebrand Tancredo puts policy over party line
denverpost ^ | 27. november 2005 | Anne C. Mulkern

Posted on 11/27/2005 8:28:54 PM PST by Icelander

Washington - U.S. Rep. Tom Tancredo wants to inflame people.

He speaks on talk radio and cable television as often as 15 times a week, warning that illegal immigrants are stealing jobs, destroying American culture and killing police officers.

With every word, the ex-schoolteacher son of Italian immigrants pours fuel on a grassroots brush fire.

Tancredo strives to agitate people enough that they demand change from Congress. As outraged citizens pressure lawmakers to follow Tancredo's lead, his power grows.

Although he's never passed significant legislation on his top issue, Tancredo now is invited to dinners with those shaping legislation. He's asked to speak at forums. His opponents create lobbying groups to counterbalance Tancredo's contentious message.

President Bush, congressional leaders and the U.S. Chamber of Commerce all are talking immigration reform this year, pushing a plan to let some immigrants stay in the country as guest workers. Many in business want to hire more foreigners.

But pressure from outraged citizen groups - stoked by Tancredo and his allies - is forcing pro-guest-worker forces to retool their strategy.

Interviews with more than two dozen people - including current and past colleagues of Tancredo, immigration activists, political analysts and strategists - show Tancredo is not easily discounted as an extremist loudmouth.

An analysis of Tancredo's campaign contributions reveals he's increasingly supported by people outside Colorado, evidence of his growing national stature.

After only six years in the U.S. House, the lawmaker representing Denver's southern suburbs has made himself the leader of one side of a debate over immigration that's poised to split the Republican Party. He's even considering a run for the presidency to force other candidates to debate the issue.

"He has had as much to do with moving immigration front and center onto the national agenda as anybody," said Norman Ornstein, political analyst at the American Enterprise Institute, a Washington think tank. "It wouldn't have been dealt with with this level of intensity or even urgency if it weren't for him."

While he's a hero to those supporters, others consider him a dangerous demagogue.

"Right after 9/11, Tom Tancredo was pushing many of the ideas that bona fide white-supremacist groups were pushing," said Mark Potok, director of intelligence for the Southern Poverty Law Center in Alabama, which monitors hate groups.

Election to Congress gave Tancredo a national platform for an anti-illegal-immigration message developed over three decades. The 2001 terrorist attacks gave his arguments about the dangers of porous borders new legitimacy.

And the presidential campaign season in 2008 could give him an unparalleled opportunity to push his platform.

Tancredo is the first to say that the idea of his inhabiting the Oval Office is a joke. But meanwhile his renown - and notoriety - grows rapidly.

So far this year, he's spent 17 days in New Hampshire, Iowa and South Carolina, the first stops in the presidential nomination season.

An unofficial website is devoted to his potential candidacy, as well as a "Tancredo Watch" website hosted by critics. Nearly 9,000 "Tancredo for President" bumper stickers have been sold.

One of the few Republicans willing to criticize the White House, Tancredo is called upon by talk radio and cable television to talk about immigration as well as the deficit and Supreme Court nominations. He's appeared or been discussed on CNN, MSNBC and Fox News nearly 200 times in the past two years. His name appeared on some 5,200 Internet blogs as of last week.

He gets death threats he says he's been told not to talk about. U.S. Capitol police have been assigned to travel with him.

In one of two extensive interviews with The Denver Post about his life and career, Tancredo said that immigration - both legal and illegal - is just where the nation's crisis starts. While some celebrate the country's multitude of cultures, he sees it as dangerous.

Immigrants who cling to their language, heritage and loyalties while living in the U.S. threaten to turn the nation into a "Tower of Babel," he said.

He rails against what he calls "the cult of multiculturalism," or "people who are intent upon dividing America up into cultural enclaves, who are intent upon essentially minimizing the importance of Western civilization."

Combine that with "massive immigration," he said, and "25 years from now it will not only determine what kind of a country we are, it will determine whether we are a country."

Blame career on Castro

Those who wish Tancredo had never entered politics can blame Fidel Castro. Tancredo was in eighth grade at St. Catherine's Elementary School in Denver when the Cuban dictator came to power. He took turns acting as Castro and as an interviewer for a class assignment.

"I loved doing this. Maybe it was the theatricality of it," he said. "Maybe that's what got me into politics in general."

At age 59, Tancredo - with gray sideburns and a balding pate, but a remarkably unlined face - still comes across as that playful student. Asked his favorite food, and knowing his answer will raise eyebrows, he says "tacos," and complains about how it's impossible to find good Mexican food in Washington.

As easily as he jokes, Tancredo is also quick to castigate. He exults in political incorrectness.

Recently he suggested that the U.S. should consider bombing Mecca in response to an Islamic terrorist strike on U.S. soil; demanded that the government drop the design for a Pennsylvania memorial to Sept. 11 victims because its crescent shape is a symbol of Islam; voted against federal aid to Hurricane Katrina victims, calling Louisiana officials corrupt; and said that New Mexico was improperly using money obtained from declaring a state of emergency over immigration.

"What you are doing in Washington is divisive, partisan demagoguery on a critical issue for our country," New Mexico Gov. Bill Richardson said in a letter to Tancredo.

Tancredo's provocative statements hurt his credibility, said Republican activist Grover Norquist, a liaison between the White House and conservatives. Norquist contrasted Tancredo's remark about bombing Mecca to someone suggesting bombing Dublin in response to an Irish Republican Army attack.

"Would people see that as anti-terrorist or anti-Irish?" Norquist said. "That's so far beyond the pale that it's hard to hear any kind of discussion about immigration."

Yet each time Tancredo takes such stands, he ends up in newspapers and on cable news shows. That exposure, plus supporters who think of Tancredo "less as a nut and more as a courageous, plain-spoken hero" have allowed him to affect the national agenda, said analyst Ornstein.

For Tancredo, who's working on a book about himself and immigration titled "Rebel With a Cause," simply getting Congress to talk about immigration is a victory.

"I have pursued it with every ounce of energy I have, and it has moved the debate, and it has moved the country," he said. "And yeah, I am very pleased about that. If I never accomplished another thing, I think I could go home and say, 'Yeah, I did that."'

There are an estimated 11 million illegal immigrants in the country, with 6 million of those from Mexico, according to a March 2005 report by the Pew Hispanic Center. That immigrant pool is growing at a rate of about 9 percent annually.

Colorado had an estimated 200,000 to 250,000 illegal immigrants in 2004, the report said.

"This is the hottest issue out there," said Angela "Bay" Buchanan, sister of Pat Buchanan and head of the political action committee Team America, which Tancredo started to back candidates with similar immigration views.

Voters side less with Tancredo than he thinks, Norquist said, noting that anti-illegal-immigration candidates ran against incumbent Republicans in one Senate and three House primary races in 2004. All lost.

Assessing Tancredo's success with immigration policy in Congress is challenging. Major bills usually are carried by committee chairmen, such as a bill that passed this year requiring states to verify someone's citizenship before issuing a driver's license. Tancredo backed that bill.

Tancredo has seen small successes. For the past three years he's introduced a bill amendment that would deny homeland security funding to cities where police refuse to turn over information about illegal immigrants to federal agents. The amendment has failed every time, but the margin is tightening.

Many House members who say they are staunch illegal- immigration opponents won't sign on to Tancredo's legislation, citing his reputation.

Some of Tancredo's colleagues say his controversial statements hurt his ability to help his constituents.

"People of Colorado elected him ... to represent them, and he's running all over the country campaigning against Republicans and limiting his own effectiveness to near zero for his own district," GOP Rep. Darrell Issa of San Diego said.

Many of Tancredo's constituents disagree. Tancredo is "straightforward and says what he feels," said Clif Sams, 65, of Aurora. Tancredo joined Democrats to push for a law allowing disabled veterans to collect both military pension and disability, giving Sams $550 more in monthly income, he said.

Sams also supports Tancredo on the immigration issue.

"We need to control illegal aliens. And I think he's starting to wake people up to get off the pot," he said.

Tancredo said he accomplishes plenty for his district. In a recent bill funding transportation projects nationwide, Tancredo's staff said, the money he obtained for the district ranked about average for Congress members.

"Luckily I'm not just here to bring home the bacon," he said.

Parents were apolitical

Born in 1945, "Tommy" Tancredo grew up in an Italian neighborhood in north Denver. His parents, he says, were apolitical.

As a Republican student activist, Tancredo spoke out in favor of the Vietnam War. After graduating from the University of Northern Colorado in June 1969, he became eligible to serve in Vietnam. Tancredo said he went for his physical, telling doctors he'd been treated for depression, and eventually got a "1-Y" deferment.

He became a junior high school teacher and in 1976 ran for the state House of Representatives. While he worked, his parents campaigned, handing out cards with his mother's Italian spaghetti sauce recipe on one side and "Tancredo's recipe for good government" on the other.

He won the seat and joined lawmakers known as the "House Crazies" who pushed an uncompromising conservative agenda.

"He ... was of the new brand of Republican who didn't (just) want government to run more efficiently, ... (they) didn't want it to run at all," said Richard Lamm, then Colorado governor.

Tancredo left the statehouse after two terms and in 1981 took a job as regional director in President Reagan's Department of Education, cutting the Colorado office staff from 223 people to 60 in four years. He then headed the libertarian Independence Institute think tank before running for Congress.

There was no single moment when Tancredo decided immigration was the issue he must attack, he said. But by the time he ran for the U.S. House, he talked about it constantly.

"I'd bring it up at every single debate," he said. "Nobody ever either argued with me about it or agreed with me about it. It just laid there."

Supported financially by groups such as the National Rifle Association, National Right to Life and various businesses, he won election in 1998. He pledged to serve only three terms, then changed his mind and ran for a fourth last year, saying there was too much work left to be done on immigration.

As a new House member, Tancredo used the one avenue he had to get attention. After the House is finished for the day, House members can go to the chamber and talk on any topic, speaking in an empty room to a camera operated by the C-SPAN cable channel. Tancredo spoke about immigration. He'd return to supportive phone messages and e-mails in his office.

Tancredo started his Immigration Reform Caucus in May 1999 with 16 members. Still, for three years, Tancredo spoke largely to an empty room. The terrorist attacks on Sept. 11 changed that.

"Then immigration became a huge topic that people were willing to start to discuss, and there I was," Tancredo said. "See what happened? I was the guy. I was talking. Then it was OK to make a lot of noise about it."

The Immigration Caucus now has 91 members, 89 of whom are Republicans.

Bilingual-education law

While in the Colorado House, one of Tancredo's top priorities was eliminating taxpayer funding for bilingual education in public schools. He eventually succeeded in modifying the law. What outraged him, said his close colleague at the time, then-state Sen. Hugh Fowler, was that students learned about Mexican culture: food, dance and history.

"To be teaching children about a second culture and a second language that supports that culture we saw as a very un-American approach to civics," said Fowler, who worked with Tancredo on the effort.

Tancredo was already developing his crusade against "the cult of multiculturalism."

"Appreciating diversity is a good thing, it's a healthy thing, except when it becomes the only thing, the main attribute," he said. "That's what I fear is happening. We don't have things pulling us together. We have things pulling us apart."

He questions why there is a black caucus and Hispanic caucus in the U.S. House and said he has considered introducing legislation to ban such groups.

"I just think these things separate us instead of bringing us together," he said. "What if we had a white caucus?"

The second chairman of the Congressional Hispanic Caucus called that statement "more race-baiting" by Tancredo. The black, Hispanic and Asian-American caucuses exist because few members of Congress come from those racial groups and they need a unified voice, said Rep. Raul M. Grijalva, D-Ariz.

Former Wyoming Sen. Alan K. Simpson, who authored and pushed through new immigration laws in 1986 and 1996, said Tancredo's statements about the need for cultural assimilation are similar to those made by the late Barbara Jordan, who headed the U.S. Commission on Immigration Reform in the 1990s. Jordan could make those statements without the criticism Tancredo is receiving, Simpson said, because she was an African-American Democrat.

"I think it's unfair to try and portray him as a racist," Simpson said.

Tancredo knows many consider him a racist.

"I am considered to be this horrible person who's mad about people coming here from other places," he said. "That is absolutely untrue, completely untrue. I don't care where you came from. I don't care what language you spoke. I don't care what religion you are.

"What I'm looking for is something that happens here in America that begins the process of tying all of us together as Americans."

He is not anti-Mexican, he said, but there is no escaping that the biggest source of illegal immigrants is Mexico.

Critics cite extremist ties

Even those who find Tancredo toxic concede he's been effective in shaping the anti-immigration message. They note how he seizes the opportunity to advance his cause after events such as the killing of Denver police Detective Donald "Donnie" Young, allegedly by illegal immigrant Raul Gomez-Garcia.

"When you hear him talk about this issue, at every opportunity, on every radio station and every TV talk show that he can, it makes it seem like every illegal immigrant in this country is killing cops," said Roberto de Posada of the Latino Coalition, a business group lobbying for a guest-worker program and other pro-immigration reforms.

Others in the pro-immigration camp, however, minimize Tancredo's impact. The National Council of La Raza, the nation's largest Hispanic-American activist group, said Tancredo represents a small, if vocal, minority.

"Mr. Tancredo has proposed a lot of (legislative) amendments," said Michele Waslin, director of immigration policy research for La Raza. "Even though he's got his (Immigration Caucus) to vote for them, very little of it has passed."

Lamm disagrees, saying Tancredo fights with "vigor and increasing sophistication."

"He sees clearly the negative impact this is having on America and has the political courage to take on his own president and the media elite on this issue," the former governor said.

Arizona Republican Sen. John McCain, co-author of one of several bills introduced this year to create a guest-worker program, said he has "very little doubt" that his efforts will trump those of Tancredo and his supporters.

"We welcome the debate, but frankly I'm confident that we'll prevail," he said.

Tancredo's fiercest critics say he surrounds himself with white supremacists. Tancredo takes money from and moves in the same circles as people whom the Southern Poverty Law Center has identified as "extremists."

Barbara Coe, co-author of a 1994 California ballot initiative denying illegal immigrants access to public schools and hospitals, donated $500 to Tancredo's 2004 campaign and has long been a key supporter. Proceeds from the "Tancredo for President" bumper sticker, which sell for $2 each, go to another Coe group, California Coalition for Immigrant Reform. Tancredo spoke at a 2003 event put on by that group.

Coe said she belonged to and spoke at an event of the Council of Conservative Citizens, a group that declares on its website that it opposes "all efforts to mix the races of mankind (and) to promote non-white races over the European-American people." It sells T-shirts that say: "White pride. Save our Culture."

Both the Southern Poverty Law Center and the Anti- Defamation League call the Council of Conservative Citizens a white-supremacist group.

Another Tancredo supporter is immigration activist Joe McCutchen of Arkansas, who gave Tancredo a total of $500 between 2002 and 2004. McCutchen said that while he did not belong to the Council of Conservative Citizens, he did speak at one of its events on immigration several years ago.

Tancredo said he doesn't want anyone involved in his movement because of racial views.

"I can't control the people who come to the speeches or say I'm a good guy," Tancredo said. "I know who I am."

He has not returned donations from either Coe or McCutchen.

Out-of-state supporters

Tancredo took the stage in the auditorium of a Carlsbad, Calif., school in August, the featured speaker at an anti-immigration rally. Several hundred people jumped to their feet, cheering wildly. Dozens of people held up "Tancredo for President" bumper stickers.

Police officers in riot gear lined the street outside and the aisles inside. Coe, sitting in the audience, clutched a handful of "Tancredo for President" bumper stickers. Coe and her compatriots were among Tancredo's first non-Colorado backers. They brought him grassroots support and money from outside Colorado.

By 2004, almost half his individual political contributions came from out of state, according to data provided by the Center for Responsive Politics and analyzed by The Denver Post. That's up from 31 percent in 2000, the first time he ran for re-election.

Since 1998, Californians have given him $83,875 in campaign contributions, 6 percent of his individual donations. He's also received money from New York, Texas, Virginia, Florida, Connecticut, Illinois and Arizona.

The morning after the Carlsbad rally, Tancredo was guest of honor at a breakfast for San Diego Republicans who paid $1,000 each to belong to the "Chairman's Circle."

Madeleine Cosman, a Los Angeles medical attorney and author, told Tancredo she had a $1,000 check for Tancredo's congressional campaign, but she was going to cross it out and write "Tancredo for President."

"Oh, no, don't do that," Tancredo told her, there was no place to put that check. No Tancredo for President fund. So far.

Unlike most other members of Congress, Tancredo spends his time away from Washington not primarily in his own district but speaking in other parts of Colorado and outside the state, darting from San Diego to Colorado to Iowa, back west to Salt Lake City and then to Los Angeles.

His staff would not release his full schedule, but in August and September, Tancredo spent at least two days in South Carolina, three in Iowa, two in Utah, three in California, one in Arizona and two in New Hampshire. In late October he traveled to Omaha, then two weekends later darted to Arizona and New Mexico.

The zigzagging across the country has a bit of a campaign feel. It's spreading Tancredo's name.

If Tancredo does enter the presidential race, it probably will be without the support of some fellow Republicans who see him as a backstabber. To push his immigration platform, Tancredo has endorsed primary-election challengers to three of his U.S. House colleagues and even backed a non-Republican in a California race. He's castigated others as well as President Bush.

Ultimately, as he has alienated Republican leaders by attacking their positions on immigration, Tancredo has become more dependent on his grassroots supporters. In 2004, 55 percent of all his campaign money came from individual donors, compared with 25 percent in 2000.

Tancredo's often-outrageous comments and his travels haven't hurt his ability to be re-elected to his conservative, moderately affluent suburban district.

The father of two sons, Tancredo and his wife, Jackie - married for 28 years - live close to the center of the district, in a 5,600-square-foot, two-story home. He has stock investments worth between $500,000 and $1 million, according to the disclosures he files as a member of Congress. He attends Cherry Hills Community Church in Highlands Ranch.

According to his 2004 election opponent, Tancredo seldom campaigns in person.

"I had over 400 (campaign) events in the 14 months that I was running, and he was simply not to be seen," said Democrat Joanna Conti.

Tancredo said he was busy working in Washington when many of those events took place. Even so, in a district where Republicans outnumber Democrats 2-1, Tancredo won 59 percent to Conti's 39 percent.

Political experts are split on whether Tancredo can become a legitimate spoiler in the 2008 presidential primary, drawing enough of the vote away that other candidates are forced to incorporate his ideas, as did Pat Buchanan, who won the New Hampshire primary in 1996.

"Pat Buchanan was a very well-known conservative commentator who'd served three presidents," said Ed Rollins with the Rollins Strategy Group, who has helped run six presidential campaigns. "At the end of the day, he was a conservative alternative to Bush. He began with a lot of name ID, ... certainly more than (Tancredo) has."

Analyst Ornstein said, however, that Tancredo could be part of the early debates, get national attention and 10 percent to 12 percent of the GOP primary vote.

He will need to expand his message beyond immigration to do that, said Tom Rath, Republican national committeeman for New Hampshire. Tancredo is not well-known there, he said, and where he is known, it is only on the immigration issue.

Heading into the 2006 congressional election, Tancredo has about $270,000 on hand, less than most Colorado incumbents. He potentially has access to far more, however, through the political action committee he founded, Team America.

He hired Bay Buchanan to run his PAC, though he now is no longer legally attached to the committee.

Through Team America, Buchanan said, she can direct individual contributions to a candidate, bundling them into larger amounts that individuals by law can't give. Right now those funds are used to help other candidates that Buchanan and Tancredo consider to have the right views on immigration.

Buchanan thinks Tancredo underestimates the success he could have in presidential primaries. When he visited Iowa the first time expecting to see two dozen people at the state's house parties, Tancredo instead found himself welcomed by 60 to 85 people, she said. And when he returned in September, he had 400 people cheering for him, she said.

"I'm not saying this is going to be easy," she said. "I think there's a chance. My job is to convince Tom there's a chance."



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To: calrighty
You always accuse SOMEONE of being a Buchananite.

Not really. But feel free to come out of the closet. No one will care.

You and Dane out to get married.

Probably your wet dream but hate to dash your hopes. Not happening.

221 posted on 11/28/2005 1:58:58 PM PST by peyton randolph (Warning! It is illegal to fatwah a camel in all 50 states)
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To: dennisw

This guys is the type of leader our country needs, though-and-through.

" Tancredo also recalls that Homeland Security Secretary Tom Ridge was giving a briefing and was asked why he had not used the military to help defend and protect the borders. Ridge responded, "There are political and cultural reasons why we can't do that." "Not acceptable!" said Tancredo, "I want an explanation of these cultural and historical reasons why we can't protect our nation's borders."


222 posted on 11/28/2005 2:16:54 PM PST by CheyennePress
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To: COEXERJ145; traviskicks

You guys having fun holding hands?


223 posted on 11/28/2005 3:57:01 PM PST by raybbr
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To: peyton randolph
>> I'm not trashing Bay Buchanan. I'm pointing out that there is a link between Buchanan and Tancredo. Some appear to be suggesting otherwise. <<

And we're pointing out there IS a link just as strong between Reagan and Buchanan. I realize you're not trashing Tancredo over working with Bay, but some people are. That is pure hypocrisy on their part. I bet none of the Tancredo bashers here declined to support Reagan because HE was being funded by Bay Buchanan. "Do as I say, not as I do" seems to be their slogan.

224 posted on 11/28/2005 5:54:53 PM PST by BillyBoy (Find out the TRUTH about the Chicago Democrat Machine's "Best Friend" in the GOP... www.nolahood.com)
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To: BillyBoy
"And we're pointing out there IS a link just as strong between Reagan and Buchanan."

?????

After buchanan got into a power struggle with a young staffer by the name of Peggy Noonan President Reagan "promoted" him to a windowless office with no staff or duties. He took the hint and finally resigned.

225 posted on 11/28/2005 5:58:23 PM PST by CWOJackson
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To: CWOJackson
>> After buchanan got into a power struggle with a young staffer by the name of Peggy Noonan President Reagan "promoted" him to a windowless office with no staff or duties. He took the hint and finally resigned. <<

Gee, Is PAT Buchanan on Tom Tancredo's payroll? No. BAY Buchanan is assisting Tom, with Pat's support.

BAY Buchanan also assisted Ronald Reagan, with Pat's support.

Why is it okay when Reagan uses Bay to raise $$$, but bad when Tom does it? Did I miss something here? The "link" to Buchanan (via his sister Bay) was no different with Reagan than it was for Tom.

226 posted on 11/28/2005 6:08:40 PM PST by BillyBoy (Find out the TRUTH about the Chicago Democrat Machine's "Best Friend" in the GOP... www.nolahood.com)
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To: BillyBoy
Just pointing out how highly President Reagan thought of buchanan; instead of outright firing him they gave him a suptle hint. Granted, it took a while for it to sink into buchanan's head, but he always was a little slow.

As for using pat and bay's mailing list, I'm sure it is free and comes with no strings attached...sure.

227 posted on 11/28/2005 6:14:02 PM PST by CWOJackson (michael savage: the white trash alternative to talk radio)
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To: CWOJackson
I see. So while both Ronnie and Tom paired up with BAY Buchanan to raise $$$, Ronnie went even further and personally hired PAT Buchanan -- but that's OKAY because he later demoted Pat.

Sop if Tom personally hires PAT Buchanan and then gives him a windowless office to "demote" him, then will it be acceptable to vote for Tom?

228 posted on 11/28/2005 6:21:53 PM PST by BillyBoy (Find out the TRUTH about the Chicago Democrat Machine's "Best Friend" in the GOP... www.nolahood.com)
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To: BillyBoy
You keep talking about President Reagan. Let's not forget the last Presidental candidate buchanan worked for. That would be Al Gore.

I guess you forget how buchanan said he wasn't going to campaign in closely contested states...then turned around and did exactly that. He spent his money running anti-Bush ads in closely fought states...not campaigning for himself, or to stop Gore...but against Governor Bush.

Hey, and he didn't even charge Gore for that help.

229 posted on 11/28/2005 6:29:57 PM PST by CWOJackson (michael savage: the white trash alternative to talk radio)
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To: CWOJackson
Apples and oranges. You keep talking about Pat Buchanan when the issue is BAY Buchanan. Pat Buchanan has never worked for Tancredo. BAY is the one assisting Tom, NOT PAT BUCHANAN.

Yes, Bay is Pat Buchanan's (much younger) sister. Ed Thompson, the Libertarian candidate for Wisconsin brother, is Tommy Thompson's brother. He even looks just like Tommy. But guess what? Alot of people who supported Ed did NOT support Tommy and vice versa.

I know in your fantasyworld, everyone who supports Tom Tancredo is a loyal Pitchforker, but I have NEVER been for PAT Buchanan and his neoconfederate, Isreal-bashing agenda. Check my posting history in 2000. I am delighted Buchanan crashed and burned with under 1% of the vote after he hijacked the DEFORMED party nomination. No principled conservative would join a centrist, pro-abortion party AFTER complaining the GOP was too centrist and not pro-life enough. I'm total agreement with you about Buchanan's laughable 2000 campaign. Perhaps the only difference is I remember Buchanan's "big" issue in 2000 wasn't even immigration, it was "America First" (a.k.a. trades and tariffs). His book on immigration came out POST-2000.

Tom Tancredo is a long-time, ELECTED Republican official who is everything Pat Buchanan isn't. He was promoted by Reagan, NOT demoted. He has an perfect track record of WINNING campaigns since 1976 (total number of campaigns won by Pat: 0) He is strongly pro-Isreal and against the Islamofascist threat, he is running to represent ALL of America -- not pander to voters in the deep south, he is much stronger on taxes that Pat ever was, and has said over and over he will be seeking the GOP nomination, not trying to hijack some other organization that doesn't share any of his values.

He has ONE thing in common with Pat Buchanan: a similar outlook on immigration. So maybe Pat's sister is helping Tom on immigration with Pat's blessing. Maybe Pat will donate to Tom's campaign because he likes Tom views on that issue. Hell, maybe Pat will even campaign for Tom. That doesn't make Tom Tancredo a "sock puppet" for Buchanan anymore than Bush is a clone of Condi Rice and her pro-abortion views because they HAPPEN to agree on foriegn policy so Condi worked closely with Bush to get him elected.

I can support Bush for President while opposing Condi for the job, and I can support Tancredo for the job while opposing Buchanan's Deformed Party campaign.

But going by your "guilt by association" rules, has your hero Harry Browne informed you which open-borders Libertarian candidate to vote for against Tancredo? I mean Libertarians = Open borders , tancredo-haters, Freepers who trash Tancredo = open borders, tancredo-haters. I sense a connection. You voted for Browne, right?

230 posted on 11/28/2005 8:18:00 PM PST by BillyBoy (Find out the TRUTH about the Chicago Democrat Machine's "Best Friend" in the GOP... www.nolahood.com)
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To: BillyBoy
"You keep talking about Pat Buchanan when the issue is BAY Buchanan."

Yes, my original comments, and responses, were to clarify comments you made about pat buchanan. I see you finally realized that and in only a few hours.

In regards to it bay selling her services to tancredo you're absolutely corrent. She is the one who manages "pat's" donor mailing lists and was his co-profiteer in the last election. If you believe that tancredo is getting her assistance freely, and that pat is not involved, then you...well, that's pretty well evident.

231 posted on 11/28/2005 8:25:09 PM PST by CWOJackson (michael savage: the white trash alternative to talk radio)
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To: BillyBoy
Don't get worked up over this moron. He's afraid of Tancredo, and so he wants to prevent people from donating money to him. As you say, since Bay managed Reagan's campaign quite successfully, she'd do quite well for Tancredo's campaign as well.

If these clowns really believed that the money would be squandered, then they definitely wouldn't be trying to warn people away from donating. They'd be happy to see their efforts wasted.

232 posted on 11/28/2005 8:43:49 PM PST by inquest (FTAA delenda est)
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To: inquest
"He's afraid of Tancredo."

LOL! Hardly. People who will give their money to tancredo are the same ones who would give it to any other fringe candidate so there's nothing to worry about. Regarding bay, she wasn't President Reagan's campaign manager; she was just a bean counter.

She did manage her brother two campaigns, and while they were political disasters they did turn out to be financial wind falls which was probably the intended purpose anyway. bay and pat, along with other siblings of the buchanan family, made a killing of his last campaign.

The really humorous thing about all of this is bay and pat will end up getting a percentage of every dollar donated to tancredo.

233 posted on 11/28/2005 8:51:38 PM PST by CWOJackson (michael savage: the white trash alternative to talk radio)
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To: Icelander
"Right after 9/11, Tom Tancredo was pushing many of the ideas that bona fide white-supremacist groups were pushing," said Mark Potok, director of intelligence for the Southern Poverty Law Center in Alabama, which monitors hate groups."

Just because someone may by a white-supremacist doesn't mean they can not be right on some issues.
234 posted on 11/28/2005 11:44:54 PM PST by Razz Barry
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To: CWOJackson
Regarding bay, she wasn't President Reagan's campaign manager; she was just a bean counter.

Bay Buchanan was treasurer of Ronald Reagan's presidential campaigns in 1976 and 1980, so I assume "bean counter" is your cutesy term for treasurer. Bay was also appointed Treasurer of the United States by President Reagan in 1981.

235 posted on 11/29/2005 1:12:18 AM PST by judgeandjury
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To: BillyBoy; CWOJackson

Billyboy:

Here is a link to Pat Buchanan's column written in 2004 in which he endorses George Bush for president in 2004:
http://www.amconmag.com/2004_11_08/cover.html.

I disagree with Pat Buchanan's position on Israel and his position on how to address the present situation in Iraq. Cong. Tancredo is a strong supporter of Israel, unlike Pat Buchanan. Also, Cong. Tancredo supports the position of the president with regard to Iraq.

Arnoldpalmerfan


236 posted on 11/29/2005 5:47:01 AM PST by arnoldpalmerfan (Tancredo for President 2008)
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To: peyton randolph
I don't trust Tancredo. Remember his McCain-style statement to the press regarding DeLay?

I also do not trust him to not run as a third-party candidate if he does not get the nomination. He's far too cozy with the Buchanans and they are only in it for the Buchanans.

Buchanan found Bush more offensive than Gore. I find that offensive. I have no use for those who are not team players and I fear Tancredo is no team player.

I hope he runs like heck for the nomination but when that's over, if he's not the nominee, he gets behind the Republican nominee and tries again.

237 posted on 11/29/2005 6:02:38 AM PST by Conservativegreatgrandma
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To: peyton randolph
3. The best way to achieve a win on the immigration issue is to persuade those GOP candidates who have a real chance of winning the presidency to adopt/co-opt Tancredo's stance on immigration.

Read the original article, it clearly states in there that that's one of the things Tancredo has set out to do.

It's fairly clear to a lot of us that you did just come here to crap on the thread. Your 'oversight' is just more evidence.

238 posted on 11/29/2005 6:31:45 AM PST by Balding_Eagle (God has blessed Republicans with really stupid enemies.)
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To: Conservativegreatgrandma
"I have no use for those who are not team players and I fear Tancredo is no team player."

I consider myself to be a "team player", if that means supporting a conservative team. Tancredo is undeniably conservative, which is why I support him. If, however, you mean supporting someone with an "R" after their name even though they allow an illegal immigrant invasion of our republic and who outspends Lyndon B. Johnson, no, I don't consider them a part of the "team". I support conservatives. If they happen to be Republicans, good. But if Republicans vote like liberals, they have joined the wrong "team".
239 posted on 11/29/2005 6:37:06 AM PST by reelfoot
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To: reelfoot
I get your point. But does this mean you will only vote for a Republican that you agree with 100%? We'll never get anywhere if that's what you're saying.

I'm saying fight like heck for Tancredo if that's who you want in the primary process. I'm from Iowa and have quite a bit of power in determining our next nominee and I do not have a horse in this race, yet. It won't be Tancredo. It will be a conservative. But I will be supporting the Republican nominee in the general election.

I was a Forbes supporter at the caucus. I was not crazy about Bush but by golly, when it was over, Bush was far superior to Gore.

That's what I'm saying. After the primary process is over, we coalesce around our nominee.

We ended up with RINO Ganske running against Harkin. I couldn't stand Ganske but he was better than Harkin so I held my nose and voted for him.

240 posted on 11/29/2005 6:46:54 AM PST by Conservativegreatgrandma
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