Posted on 11/26/2005 5:48:48 AM PST by johnny7
We need a moratorium on legal immigration, and a closure of our borders to prevent any more illegal immigration. In the meanwhile all we have to do is enforce the laws already on the books.
Then we could sort things out and start over with common sense laws.
Wrong! NumbersUSA is the most anti-immigrant group, and doesn't even try to understand our immigration problems, but focuses on legal immigration. The group disgusts me. This chart shows their goals.
http://www.numbersusa.com/text?ID=180
What makes it worse is that Santorum angered so many conservatives in Pennsylvania with his support for Specter that he's now in danger of losing himself. So instead of two conservatives with Toomey we end up with none.
A draft immigration bill from Judiciary Committee Chairman Arlen Specter calls for dramatic increases in legal immigration, far beyond any of the other major proposals now before Congress.
I see Specter's hair is returning but his brain hasn't made the trip(yet)!
He's nutty as a fruit cake!
And I propose a decrease in Specter's...
The people with bumper to bumper hour plus commutes each way, will just love this.
That sorry POS is a traitor. We can thank GWB and Rick Santorum for getting Specter reelected. He's going to repay conservatives because we raised hell when we didn't want him to head that committee. It would be nice if he went to visit Peter Jennings. LOL
I have been wondering for a long time if the Republican Party and the people we elected are actually representing the American People!!
From their actions of giving our tax money away like a drunken sailor, and I speak from experience here, to the inaction of NOT protecting out borders and enforcing our immigration laws!
You are right though Rick has really jerked a lot of conservatives over the top with his support of of Anal Sphincter and Bush's Immigration Policies.
You don't seriously believe our current policies are remotely fair or good for our country, do you? Or are you backing unlimited immigration? They can't stay at my house...
No.
The bottom line is that the voters of Pa. are responsible for electing Specter over Toomey and they'll be making another error if they don't elect Santorum.
True but Toomey only lost by 51 to 49%. With strong Bush/Santorum backing the base and fence-sitters could have been energized just enough to pull Toomey over the top. In a close election sometimes that's what it takes but since Santorum chose the liberal to support it's not now suprising to see a backlash from conservatives against him.
we could use some more green orion slave girls.....
True, but if Santorum with his 90+ ACU rating loses in the upcoming election to a liberal Democrat then the conservatives who didn't vote for him will be responsible for the outcome.
BTW if Bush and Santorum had supported Toomey and if Specter won, then both Alito and Roberts would not be sitting on the SC.
Also, there was the risk of Casey beating the more conservative Toomey.
The bottom line is the president supported the R incumbent (who BTW voted 75% conservative in 2004) and took the approach that if the people of PA want somebody more conservative, it is up to them to vote that way. The bottom line is the president wasn't willing to risk Arlen's support in the WOT and with SC judges when all the voting R electorate had to do was go out and vote for Toomey.
The registered Rpublicans of Pennsylvania didn't even elect Toomey as the R nominee. They are responsible for what happened. It is called indiviudal responsibility.
That's where Toomey lost, 51 to 49% in the primary. If Santorum and the GOP establishment had strongly supported him who knows what the outcome would have been.
Sure it's individual responsibility but if you think conservatives are just going to forgive and forget Santorum's sellout to his supposed principles and let bygones be bygones then we might as well let them do whatever they please with never a worry for potential consequences since they'll know without a doubt they'll get away with it.
The guy obviously has Chemo brain....
That's where Toomey lost, 51 to 49% in the primary. If Santorum and the GOP establishment had strongly supported him who knows what the outcome would have been.
No. There was no guarentee that with the president's and Santorum's support that Toomey would have been elected. It would have been a risk for the president not to support Specter. As I said before, I doubt Specter would have supported both Roberts and Alito if Spector was elected without the president's support. And even if Toomey did win the R primary, if a president and the other senator have to push -- and I do mean push -- Toomey accross the finish line in a Republican primary no less, then how the heck would the more conservative Toomey win in the Pa. general election.
Sure it's individual responsibility but if you think conservatives are just going to forgive and forget Santorum's sellout to his supposed principles and let bygones be bygones then we might as well let them do whatever they please with never a worry for potential consequences since they'll know without a doubt they'll get away with it.
The bottom line: Why should the president have taken the risks that I described, when instead all the registered Republicans of Pa. had to do was vote for Toomey??? -- They didn't.
BTW, when it comes to priciples, if you would notice the procedural part of the Constitution, it is about politics and pragmatism. If it wasn't, all you would have is the BOR and a libertarian philosophy.
The voters of Pa. will be making another mistake, if they don't vote for Santorum against the Democrat in the next election. It is their individual responsibility not to make such a mistake.
JMO
We need a decrease in aliens.
How about... an 'open-season'?
That's pure conjecture on your part for which you have no way of knowing what Specter would have done. His liberal record is well known and if he didn't go with the Senate leadership on important issues such as USSC justices could easily be stripped of his chairmanship.
Frankly at this point I don't care what Specter thinks anymore than I do Harry Reid since philosophically they're practically one in the same. I'd go as far to say that Casey is more conservative than Specter since he at least opposes abortion.
The voters of Pa. will be making another mistake, if they don't vote for Santorum against the Democrat in the next election. It is their individual responsibility not to make such a mistake.
Again you're making the mistake of implying conservatives should ignore Santorum's sellout and pretend it didn't happen. At the very least he should have kept his mouth shut and not supported anyone rather than go with Specter. Democrats don't compromise their principles, why are conservatives expected to do it all the time?
Btw I get the feeling when 2008 rolls around you'll be telling us we need to back McCain in the name of pragmatism. If so no thanks, I've had enough of the Rockefeller Republicans to last a lifetime.
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