Specter proposes increase in aliens

THE WASHINGTON TIMES ^ | November 26, 2005 | By Stephen Dinan

[ridesthemiles]

I didn't know there was a shortage...""

There definately is NOT a shortage.
This fool lives in a glass bubble.
They can all go live at his house.
When he sees them up close and personal, maybe he will turn 180 and get it.

[GarySpFc]

I have no problem with a chart that breaks down legal immigration by category, as it illustrates how politician's pet projects (Chain migration, Visa Lotery, etc.) have edged out the average would-be immigrant waiting in line. There was nothing "anti-immigrant" there.

Wrong! There clearly is something horribly wrong, anti-immigrant, anti-American with NumbersUSA proposals. They are against family reunification, and as such, selfish, anti-God and downright evil. I can appreciate their being against unlimited immigration, and even distant relatives, but when you want to stop adult children and parents of CITIZENS they have gone too far. One would think they would understand love for children, but these people have none.

You don't seriously believe our current policies are remotely fair or good for our country, do you? Or are you backing unlimited immigration? They can't stay at my house...



No, I do not unlimited immigration as you falsely implied. I am strongly against illegal immigration. I would certainly eliminate the visa lottery and many of the visas business are using to undercut American labor. At the same time I would allow a guest worker program for those positions which business can CLEARLY prove Americans will not work.

[NewRomeTacitus]

You just pointed out how the people end up with the representation they deserve. Unfortunately the representatives battle on the basis on how much of our money they can redistribute - their only real differences being which financial bracket of the citizens to soak for it.

I'm sick of this constant pitting of high-earners versus low earners killing the middle class while spreading true divisiveness for the sake of the socialist's agenda. Why not gut one third of the privacy-invading bureaucracy in one fell swoop by eliminating income taxes altogether and establish a national sales tax? This would better realign money spent with real money earned, as well as stopping the overdependance on the wealthy's earnings to support the masses' needs.

It would stop the unfair redistribution of wealth - the very definition of socialism. The inevitable shortage should be made up by a new tax code that measures people's time instead of earnings. As we're all on the same time schedule we could say Bill Gate's two hours are worth those of you or I and we contribute our respective (and fair) tax percentage on that time basis regardless of the amount of money. In this way the rich won't be soaked, the poor won't be unfairly taxed and the Socialists in government would no longer have a neck to feed on.

Ideas courtesy of Paul Buff. I wish I were as bright.

[FreeReign]

Btw I get the feeling when 2008 rolls around you'll be telling us we need to back McCain in the name of pragmatism.

BTW, I now know your judgement to be poor.

[FreeReign]

That's pure conjecture on your part...

Your entire Toomey thing is conjecture. So I give you my conjecture and conjecture becomes wrong.

[Reaganwuzthebest]

Your entire Toomey thing is conjecture.

Of course it is but it's Santorum who went on the side of supporting the liberal in a very tight race and it looks like conservatives are going to make him pay for it.

[NewRomeTacitus]

Ahh, you refuse to acknowledge the subterfuge in the President's statement when he espoused matching employers with willing workers when Americans couldn't be found to fill those jobs. Never mind that over 10 million Americans of working weren't able to graduate high school, it would somehow be better to replace their potential services with a population absolutely known to be denied more than an Eighth-Grade education (extremely few holding U.S citizenship or caring to meld with our culture)? I've seen some of the job sites dominated by non-Americans and have heard countless stories of how Americans are alienated, sabotaged and figuratively back-stabbed as a matter of course once the non-American percentage gains supremacy. Their's your "racist" activity right there - by a group who doesn't qualify as a "Race" under any definition of the term.

Consider the added foolishness and waste caused by contractors forced to tear down the crap their illegal workers put up in their earnest, hard-work attitude devoid of the needs of actual construction requirements. Time and again these cheapskates find themselves forced to hire actual locals to tear out and rebuild sections and whole structures they THOUGHT their illegals were doing right. This, of course, depends on the ethics of the initial inspectors, but after that Atlanta hotel walkway fiasco (built by illegals) the inspectors seem to be shying away from the payoff thing.

No to you. We need a structured immigration policy free from heart-string pulling hard luck stories. This country was built on the sweat of pioneers, not "immigrants". If we disrespect their sacrifices and harbor undeserved guilt for the circumstances of non-citizens we don't deserve to retain the last names of our predecessors.

Don't succumb to the popular mindset that wants you and everyone else who've earned their way to accept guilt for the hard luck of people we really should never have allowed to remain in the first place. Those people are citizens of their countries, not ours. Hate the players (the countries that drove them here), not the "game" (our Rule of Law).

[A. Pole]

[...]
Mr. Specter increases the cap on family-preference immigrants by 254,000 a year, raises the cap on employment-based visas by 150,000 a year, "recaptures" unused visas and exempts hundreds of thousands of family members from caps as well.
[...]
Mr. Specter's goal in putting out a bill was to jump-start the argument and assert his committee's jurisdiction over the issue. In a letter accompanying his draft, he said he does "not necessarily endorse every provision included."
[...]

Immigration bump

[Mr. Mojo]

Completely ignoring the massive problem we have with illegal immigration, Arlen tries to change the subject and calls for dramatic increases in legal immigration because of some invented "declining birth rate." No surprise there. Specter, in his old age and sick body, knows full well that he'll personally never be subjected to Muslim prayer calls blaring out of loudspeakers at ungodly hours (as is already the case in Hamtramck, MI) so what the heck does he care? .....And he's unlikely to live long enough to see a mushroom cloud engulfing a U.S. city, either.

[A. Pole]

Arlen tries to change the subject and calls for dramatic increases in legal immigration because of some invented "declining birth rate."

Actually these two things are connected. More immigrants, less space, stagnant or lower wages make having children harder for the Americans. So the "need" to replace them with aliens is increasing.

[Clintonfatigued]

I wish The Specter would just fade away.

[GarySpFc]

You are simply sprouting nonsense to cover the moral bankruptcy of hte NumbersUSA principles you espouse., which you espouse. You rambled on about immigrants taking jobs from Americans, when in reality everyone knows those jobs are being stolen by illegal immigrants and those on work visas, not legal immigrants.

No to you. We need a structured immigration policy free from heart-string pulling hard luck stories. This country was built on the sweat of pioneers, not "immigrants". If we disrespect their sacrifices and harbor undeserved guilt for the circumstances of non-citizens we don't deserve to retain the last names of our predecessors.

You are totally ignorant of American history. A large majority of those pioneers were immigrants searching for a better life for not only themselves, but also their families. What you call "heart-string pulling hard luck stories" is your code word for restricting family reunification of legal immigrants. Since you would block families of legal immigrants, you effectively block almost all immigration.

Don't succumb to the popular mindset that wants you and everyone else who've earned their way to accept guilt for the hard luck of people we really should never have allowed to remain in the first place. Those people are citizens of their countries, not ours. Hate the players (the countries that drove them here), not the "game" (our Rule of Law).

"Legal" immigrants are not looking for a handout, nor are they playing on anyone's guilt. They only want to earn their way the same as anyone else. You are simply anti-immigration masquerading as being for highly restricted legal immigration.

[RockyMtnMan]

Exactly, I wonder when the gooberment is going to admit their policies are designed to head off the upcoming boomer retirement crisis. They need to speak frankly with the American people and show the numbers. The tax base is drying up and will accelerate once more jobs move overseas and boomer's start collecting from their retirement accounts and SS.

We have two problems they must address, 1) How to convince businesses to bring investments back home and 2) How to grow the domestic labor pool so they can sustain the bloated federal bureaucracy.

[NewRomeTacitus]

Family reunification is strictly a liberal Democrat (i.e.:Ted Kennedy) ploy meant for ILLEGAL aliens and has nothing to do with legal immigrants, who already have avenues to accomplish that. Unfortunately those avenues are slowed by bureaucrats who somewhat rightfully cite how their time and resources are monopolized by the political mandates you so helpfully ilustrated when you posted that chart earlier.

And I'm not sprouting anything, having had to give up agricultural hobbies for the demands of a service economy.

[GarySpFc]

Family reunification is strictly a liberal Democrat (i.e.:Ted Kennedy) ploy meant for ILLEGAL aliens and has nothing to do with legal immigrants, who already have avenues to accomplish that. Unfortunately those avenues are slowed by bureaucrats who somewhat rightfully cite how their time and resources are monopolized by the political mandates you so helpfully ilustrated when you posted that chart earlier.

Wrong! Family reunification is a God given right, which the state recognizes. There really are no other avenues for families to reunite as you state.

[fallujah-nuker]

Holly Maddux

Justing bringing in folks to kill the women like Holly Maddux that Ira Einhorn can no longer kill.

[Dont_Tread_On_Me_888]

The bottom line is that the voters of Pa. are responsible for electing Specter over Toomey and they'll be making another error if they don't elect Santorum.

You are so wrong!

It was President Bush and Senator Santorum that got Arlen Spinchter into another Senate term. As such, PA voters should reject Santorum and national voters have yet one more reason to question why they ever believed in George Bush.

[FreeReign]

The bottom line is that the voters of Pa. are responsible for electing Specter over Toomey and they'll be making another error if they don't elect Santorum.

You are so wrong! It was President Bush and Senator Santorum...

The voters of Pa. are not ultimately responsible for their own vote??

Oh pretty please Mr. President and Mr. Santorum, lead me to the correct vote. I'm am so not capable of choosing the correct candidate. I need to be lead. Tell me who to vote for. Bwahhh!

LOL!

You are so wrong.

Individual responsibility is the hallmark of conservatism.

[Dont_Tread_On_Me_888]

You are the epitome of a fan club member who will do whatever your hero tells you to do. You have shown us that with nearly every post of yours for a long time at FR.

There are many PA voters like you, more fan club members of the GOP than individualistic freedom fighters who care more about the nation's future than party politics. You can deny it all you want but your argument is worthless. Had Santorum and Bush asked the voters of PA to vote for Pat Toomey, Arlen Sphincter would not be defiling the U.S. Senate today.

What makes your post hysterical is that you are trying to say a large percent of voters would not be swayed by Bush and Santorum's support of Sphincter, yet regular members of FR know you very well and you are the stereotypical GOP booster who IS swayed by what Bush asks you to do-- a rah rah fan club member of the RNC, so typical of so many PA voters like you who voted for Sphincter because they were told to vote for Sphincter. If you were a PA voter, you would have voted for Sphincter because Bush and Santorum told you to. If you were a PA voter and Bush and Santorum told you to vote for Pat Toomey, you would have voted for Toomey.

True conservatives would have voted for Toomey regardless, simply because Sphincter has been a liberal RINO for years. However, there are more rah rah follow the party line voters like you than there are free thinkers in the GOP voter ranks.

Your shooting yourself here is funny. Save this to disk. Even you would get a laugh out of it once you realize what you said. The fact is Santorum needs to be held accountable for his support of a Marxist. That should be a career ending decision, and I do hope the votes of PA reject Santorum in the next election.

Regarding President Bush, his support of Arlen Sphincter just adds to a very, very long list of items that continues to bewilder us--why does President Bush make so many terrible decisions.

We must NEVER fail to hold our GOP officials accountable. To do that means we lose all leverage. We held Bush accountable for the Harriet Miers pick and the result was we changed the course of history--WE got Sam Alito nominated. ACTIVISTS got Sam Alito nominated. NEVER fail to hold Republicans accountable. Great things happen when we hold Republicans accountable, as the Harriet Miers episode taught us.

Hold Santorum accountable. Reject Senator Santorum. Anybody but Santorum!

[Ciexyz]

Aaaaarrrrrgh!