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51st Way to Leave Your Lover
Special to FreeRepublic ^ | 26 November 2005 | John Armor (Congressman Billybob)

Posted on 11/25/2005 10:42:22 AM PST by Congressman Billybob

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To: Congressman Billybob
Well, Sir

(being 19 years your junior I think I had better retreat from the needlessly insulting tone of my earlier replies and offer my apologies to you on same), I still am puzzled as to why you would post details of your personal life in public. This kind of thing makes me cringe when I see it.

Maybe when I reach your age (God-willing), I will have mellowed out some. Then again, given my make-up, I somehow doubt it.

For the record, I was not accusing you of not following the standards of old-fashioned propriety - just expressing puzzlement as to why you would (in my view) deviate from them here.

As far as my thoughts in similar circumstances (which I have been in, trust me), they would be more akin to a patriot's reaction to an act of treason against our country. I will never understand how some people can react so seemingly cavalierly to something that, had it been done to one's country instead of one's spouse would be a hanging offense.....

just my 2 cents worth....

May your faith sustain you at this difficult time...

261 posted on 11/26/2005 12:36:20 AM PST by Al Simmons
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To: bonfire
Why would ANYONE post their personal business online????

You're obviously not a professional writer. ;-)

262 posted on 11/26/2005 12:37:35 AM PST by Ichneumon
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To: Congressman Billybob
A vow is a vow.
What is the profit in gaining the world and losing your soul?

I speak to her with my comment. To you my condolences.

263 posted on 11/26/2005 1:23:38 AM PST by Manic_Episode (Some mornings, it's just not worth chewing through the leather straps...)
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To: trussell
"I am so sorry to see that you could think God could "HATE" anything. The God I serve is a God of love...not hate."

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Malachi 2:16 "I hate divorce," says the LORD God of Israel,

264 posted on 11/26/2005 1:45:08 AM PST by Manic_Episode (Some mornings, it's just not worth chewing through the leather straps...)
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To: Motherbear

I was speaking more to his calmness in a most unfortunate situation. I'd be at my wits end.


265 posted on 11/26/2005 5:53:58 AM PST by Tijeras_Slim (Now that taglines are cool, I refuse to have one.)
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To: HitmanNY

Having free time and flexibility is one of the fights we are having at my place of work right now. There is an amazing irony in that considering where I work. It's supposed to be a place that is meant to serve the common good, and does to an extent, but the people in charge have no life outside the office and seem to think that no one else should. Almost all of us have been looking elsewhere for some time.

My dad was one who worked massive amounts of overtime which made him sick and forced him into an early retirement. There are worse things, but there are reasons all of us are not happy about all that happened.

I have my doubts that networking works better than word of mouth. Smart move there. If you can have someone to vouch for you, it's better than meeting them in a bar.

One thing I have learned about music, is that after quiting twice, it is the one thing I cannot live without, at least in some capacity. That's what I mean by passion. The job is interefering with that. They want overtime and I have rehearsals scheduled. I'd rather take a couple weeks and go sing in a music festival in Vienna than sit in meetings.

Oh, well. I'd make the passion my career - and have been trying to figure out how to do that recently - I just have to save up enough to go for it.


266 posted on 11/26/2005 6:44:31 AM PST by Desdemona (Music Librarian and provider of cucumber sandwiches, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary. Hats required.)
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To: HitmanNY
I was being facetious. Your screen name is hitman, and you talked about training lawyers, but, since you did not really specify what you would be training them, I was pretending that I thought you were instructing them on how to do contract killings.
267 posted on 11/26/2005 7:51:38 AM PST by Bigg Red (Do not trust Democrats with national security!)
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To: Alamo-Girl
You must truly love her to let her go.

What kind of "love" turns "til death do us part" into "until we find a better business opportunity"?

If you really love someone, you ought to help them to be and to do their best, not enable them to shirk their commitments.

268 posted on 11/26/2005 8:00:55 AM PST by Campion ("I am so tired of you, liberal church in America" -- Mother Angelica, 1993)
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To: Manic_Episode

What Bible did you get that from? It surely wasn't the KJV. I looked up Malachi 2:16 and it says:

For the Lord, the God of Israel, saith that he hateth putting away: for one covereth violence with his garment, saith the Lord of hosts: therefore, take heed to your spirit, that ye deal not treacherously.

You do realize that it is blasphemous to misquote HIS word? Also, the old testiment is the law that existed before the death of Christ gave us salvation from our sins.


269 posted on 11/26/2005 8:12:00 AM PST by trussell (Miss you TC)
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To: Congressman Billybob

Sad. I think 'divorce" is the most terrible word in the English language. You and Kem just try to stay friends.


270 posted on 11/26/2005 9:13:31 AM PST by RightWingAtheist (Free the Crevo Three!)
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To: Campion; Congressman Billybob
Thank you for sharing your views!

What kind of "love" turns "til death do us part" into "until we find a better business opportunity"?

We evidently have a different concept of both love and marriage.

In my view, there are two kinds of marriage – the couples which God brings together and those who make a mortal agreement. God was bringing people together long before there were laws, organized religion, etc. And when God brings two people together they are one before Him, thus Christ’s warning in Matt 19:6 - ”Wherefore they are no more twain, but one flesh. What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder. “ Only God and the husband and wife know whether they are one before Him.

Also, in my view, there are three kinds of love which can apply in a marriage: eros, philia and agape. Eros (though usually taken to mean physical or sexual) is a desire or passion for something or someone. As love goes, it is on the shallow end of the pond because it is self-serving. Philia is an appreciation or fondness for another and is often associated with “brotherly love” because it genuinely cares about the other person (compassion, sympathy, empathy). And then there’s agape, the perfect love or unconditional love which does not self-serve or attach strings but rather says “there is nothing you can say or do which will make me stop loving you”.

In sum, my view is this: if both parties are married by God they cannot be spiritually separated; one cannot even say that he wants a cheeseburger because he does or because his wife does and vice versa. If such husband and wife are physically separated against God’s will, God will be displeased. But we cannot judge the nature of a marriage – only God and the parties know this.

But in any case – from a Spiritual point-of-view, the important thing is how a person loves both God and others (Matt 22:40). For anyone to attain agape love in any circumstance gives me great joy! And that is what I see in Congressman BillyBob’s letting her go.

271 posted on 11/26/2005 9:25:20 AM PST by Alamo-Girl
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To: Alamo-Girl

Excellent post, Alamo-Girl.


272 posted on 11/26/2005 9:31:37 AM PST by Alia
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To: Congressman Billybob
I have moved to the ends of this earth with my husband. Sometimes he went before me, and there were times he had to be gone for months and even a year at a time. BUT I knew this was going to happen when I married into the Military.

There is no way in hell I'd ever leave him for any reason. But Kem isn't me.

Stay strong, and I hope and pray everything works out for the two of you. God Bless...sw

273 posted on 11/26/2005 9:33:26 AM PST by spectre (Spectre's wife)
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To: RightWingAtheist; Alamo-Girl
There have been many, many thoughtful responses engendered by this thread, including the ones from both of yours. Suffice to say, I helped Kem organize for the best position contractually on her new assignment. And, we remain friends. That's not a lot, but it is nowhere nearly as bad as it could have been,

John / Billybob
274 posted on 11/26/2005 9:34:15 AM PST by Congressman Billybob (Do you think Fitzpatrick resembled Captain Queeg, coming apart on the witness stand?)
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To: Motherbear

I know God didn't change between the old and new testiment...the other poster misquoted the verse...at least acknowledge that too.

God hates sin...not the sinner. There is nothing you could ever do that would cause God to hate you!


276 posted on 11/26/2005 9:45:00 AM PST by trussell (Miss you TC)
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To: Congressman Billybob

My thanks to you for staying here, in the U.S. In this day and age, America needs its solid, pro-constitution lawyers, very much. Thank you, Congressman Billybob.


277 posted on 11/26/2005 9:46:23 AM PST by Alia
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To: Congressman Billybob

Remaining friends may not seem like a lot at the moment, but it is a great achievement! I continue to pray for you and for Kem - God's blessings, peace and guidance.


278 posted on 11/26/2005 9:48:14 AM PST by Alamo-Girl
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To: Alia

Thank you so much, dear Alia!


279 posted on 11/26/2005 9:48:56 AM PST by Alamo-Girl
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