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Genealogy of scaly reptiles rewritten by new research
EurekAlert (AAAS) ^ | 22 November 2005 | Barbara K. Kennedy

Posted on 11/23/2005 12:49:21 PM PST by PatrickHenry

The most comprehensive analysis ever performed of the genetic relationships among all the major groups of snakes, lizards, and other scaly reptiles has resulted in a radical reorganization of the family tree of these animals, requiring new names for many of the tree's new branches. The research, reported in the current issue of the journal C. R. Biologies, was performed by two biologists working at Penn State University: S. Blair Hedges, professor of biology, and Nicolas Vidal, a postdoctoral fellow in Hedges' research group at the time of the research who now is a curator at the National Museum in Paris.

Vidal and Hedges collected and analyzed the largest genetic data set ever assembled for the scaly reptiles known as squamates. The resulting family tree has revealed a number of surprising relationships. For example, "The overwhelming molecular-genetic evidence shows that the primitive-looking iguanian lizards are close relatives of two of the most advanced lineages, the snakes on the one hand and the monitor lizards and their relatives on the other," Vidal says.


Looks can be deceiving. New gene study redraws family tree of lizards and puts primitive-looking iguanas (shown here) and relatives at the top instead of bottom of the tree.
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"We gave this group the new name, 'Toxicofera' because of another discovery, reported in a related paper, that some lizard species thought to be harmless actually produce toxic venom, as do some snakes--including some large monitor lizards in the same family as the giant Komodo Dragon and some large species of iguanians." Vidal, Hedges, and other researchers report this and other discoveries about the early evolution of the venom system in lizards and snakes in a paper led by Bryan G. Fry, of the University of Melbourne in Australia, published in the current issue of the journal Nature. "It's a really startling thing that so many supposedly harmless lizards actually are venomous," Vidal comments, "but their sharing of this characteristic makes sense now that our genetic studies have shown how closely they are related."

The diversification of such a large group of animals, including 8,000 living species, into many ecological niches is a major pattern of biological evolution on Earth. "We used to think that venom evolved relatively recently, but this study shows that it evolved very early in the history of these species, about 200-million years ago, when dinosaurs were just getting started," Hedges explains. "We would like to understand what factors had major effects on biological evolution at that time in the Earth's history and why these species survived but the dinosaurs did not." This research also could help scientists find fossils of more species because it reveals new information about the age of the geological formations in which the fossils can be found. In a broader context, this work is part of astrobiology research, which seeks to understand general mechanisms of evolution that might apply to other worlds.

To increase the statistical confidence of their results, Vidal and Hedges included twice the amount of genetic information as was used in previous studies of these species. The team's data include nine nuclear-protein-coding genes from 19 species representing all major lineages -- mostly families -- of living snakes, lizards, and a third related group of scaly reptiles, the amphisbaenians. The team analyzed these data using several statistical methods to determine how each species is related to the others. "Although these genes have the same functions in each species, there are small differences between the species -- mutations -- that have developed over time," Vidal explains. Comparisons of these evolutionary differences resulted in a family tree of squamates that Hedges says is almost completely different from the version that has appeared in textbooks for the past hundred years. The family tree in use now is based primarily on comparisons of certain physical structures, known as morphological characters--like the shape of a specific bone.

"The current textbook version of the family tree of reptiles places the iguanians, which is a huge group of 1,440 species of primitive-looking lizards, at the base of the tree -- but the iguanians now are near the top of our new tree in the new Toxicofera group, which we call the venom clade," Vidal explains. In addition to the new venom character, Vidal and Hedges discovered other physical traits whose importance in providing visible clues to the species' close genetic relationships had been overlooked before. For example, among the lizards and snakes that lay eggs, all the species above a certain point in the new tree have one egg tooth and all those below that point have two egg teeth. "In the old arrangement, using the number of egg teeth as an evaluating characteristic didn't make sense, but in the new arrangement it makes perfect sense," Vidal says. "If this new tree is correct, all the morphological characters that traditionally have been used to identify similarities between species will need to be reevaluated to understand how these traits evolved."

According to Vidal and Hedges, the reason why the old and new family trees are so different is because they are based on different ways of gauging the relationships between species. The old tree is based primarily on morphology -- comparisons of certain characteristics of the animals' physical structure -- which can change considerably when a species adapts to changing conditions. For genealogy research this can be a problem if two unrelated species change in the same way, resulting in false evidence of relationships. The new tree is based exclusively on comparisons of the molecular structure of the animals' genes. "Although the molecular changes in the genes can occur quickly and slowly, and can change in response to the conditions in which the animal lives, those adaptive changes are limited to a small part of the gene. Most of the gene carries a genealogical signature which reveals the evolutionary history of the species" Hedges explains. Many of the groups on the existing, morphological, family tree were named for physical characteristics that no longer apply to the groups on the new tree. For example, as a result of the reorganization, a huge group of lizards -- the iguanians, which have soft tongues and number more than 1400 species -- moved from near the bottom of the old tree into a grouping near the top of the new tree among squamates, which have hard tongues. As a result, Vidal explains, "We found we needed to replace many of the old names, like the one that referred to the texture of the tongue, because they no longer have any valid meaning in the new tree."

Among the new names are Bifurcata, which in Latin that means "split," for species with a split tongue; Toxicofera, which means "toxic animals," for species that have venom, Unidentata, which means "one tooth," for species with one egg tooth; Episquamata, which means "top squamates," for the iguanians and other species in this group near the top of the new tree; Laterata, which means "tile-like," for a group of lizards and legless reptiles whose scales are shaped like squarish tiles instead of the half-circle-shaped scales common to snakes and other lizard species.

"Because the current tree has been widely accepted for nearly a century, I think there is going to be a delay of maybe a few years before the general scientific community gets used to the new tree," Vidal says. "If other research groups working in this area find the same pattern with additional genes, then I believe the scientific community may accept these results more quickly."

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This research was supported by the National Aeronautics and Space Administration's Astrobiology Institute, Penn State, the National Science Foundation, and the National Museum of Natural History of France.

NOTE: This press release concerns research reported in the current issue of two scientific journals (published on 16 November): Nature, published in the United Kingdom, and C. R. Biologies, published in France.

[Omitted some contact information at the end of the article]


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1 posted on 11/23/2005 12:49:22 PM PST by PatrickHenry
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2 posted on 11/23/2005 12:50:09 PM PST by PatrickHenry (Expect no response if you're a troll, lunatic, dotard, or incurable ignoramus.)
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To: PatrickHenry
..top of the tree eh?, Ok there's some resemblance between the that lizard and the ex's mom.


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3 posted on 11/23/2005 12:51:57 PM PST by Doogle (USAF...7thAF ..4077th TFW...408th MMS..Ubon Thailand.."69",,Night Line Delivery..AMMO)
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To: PatrickHenry

The picture in the article strongly resembles Carville.


4 posted on 11/23/2005 12:52:54 PM PST by The Sons of Liberty
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To: The Sons of Liberty

what the F@#$ is a amphisbaenians?


5 posted on 11/23/2005 12:56:42 PM PST by DHak (usma '91)
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To: PatrickHenry

Boy are my husband's biology students gonna be mad.


6 posted on 11/23/2005 12:57:02 PM PST by swmobuffalo (the only good terrorist is a dead one)
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To: PatrickHenry

Just when ya figger out where ever thin' is, they go and change it on ya.........


7 posted on 11/23/2005 12:58:56 PM PST by Red Badger (United States Marine Corps, Saving France's Bacon Since 1775.............)
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8 posted on 11/23/2005 1:07:20 PM PST by Junior (From now on, I'll stick to science, and leave the hunting alien mutants to the experts!)
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To: DHak
what the F@#$ is a amphisbaenians?

According to the Encyclopædia Britannica:

The amphisbaenians form a little-known group of reptiles. Because they are burrowers and live almost entirely underground, they are seldom seen. The one species in the United States, Rhineura floridana, is found in some parts of Florida; a number of species occur in other regions of the world, especially in South America and Africa.


9 posted on 11/23/2005 1:08:08 PM PST by Antonello
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To: PatrickHenry

Wow, with all these errors that have been taught to students for over a century by evolutionary biologists, it gives a new meaning to "science fiction".

Nevermind, I'm sure they've got it right now.

Seriously, I can't believe teaching evolutionary relationships based on morphological similarities despite no supporting evidence from molecular biology was passed off as serious science. Perhaps there was a lack of professional skepticism in this community? Nahhhhhhhhh.....


10 posted on 11/23/2005 1:17:38 PM PST by jbloedow
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Seriously, I can't believe teaching evolutionary relationships based on morphological similarities despite no supporting evidence from molecular biology was passed off as serious science.

Genetic research is still relatively new. Up until recently, the only way to determine relatedness was through study of the morphology of the species.

11 posted on 11/23/2005 1:20:16 PM PST by Junior (From now on, I'll stick to science, and leave the hunting alien mutants to the experts!)
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To: The Sons of Liberty
The picture in the article strongly resembles Carville.

Venomous lizard. Yep.

12 posted on 11/23/2005 1:25:14 PM PST by dread78645 (Sorry Mr. Franklin, We couldn't keep it.)
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To: PatrickHenry

Always have known that genomics and gene sequencing data are going to revise some groups based simply on appearances. When the science guys are done the phylogenetic trees are going to be really solid. During the transition, things could get interesting and we might even see a few scientists come to blows over what means what.


13 posted on 11/23/2005 1:26:22 PM PST by furball4paws (One of the last Evil Geniuses, or the first of their return.)
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To: Junior
I'm anticipating a number of similar posts from anti-evos, blathering about how this new work shows that those evolution guys don't know anything. However, the this that they're ballyhooing (comparisons of the molecular structure of the animals' genes) is exactly what demonstrates our relationship to apes.

New item in The List-O-Links that may be relevant:

Life's Big Instruction Book, or, Molecular Genetics by Analogy. Great tutorial.

14 posted on 11/23/2005 1:26:31 PM PST by PatrickHenry (Expect no response if you're a troll, lunatic, dotard, or incurable ignoramus.)
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To: PatrickHenry
What a week.

First we find out dinosaurs did eat grass.
Then we find out grass is 70 million years old instead of 55.

And now this.

At least the status of turkeys is remaining steady although I would not rule out some bombshell to be released tomorrow.
15 posted on 11/23/2005 1:26:50 PM PST by microgood
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To: jbloedow
Wow, with all these errors that have been taught to students for over a century by evolutionary biologists, it gives a new meaning to "science fiction".

I suppose evolutionary biologists could take the biblical approach and ignore any new evidence that contradicts accepted ideas, but that would make it dogma.

This is yet another example of why the ToE is not a religion, despite the fervent desires of fundamentalists to the contrary.

16 posted on 11/23/2005 1:31:19 PM PST by Antonello
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To: microgood

Turkeys are feathered snakes. It's common knowledge. Where've you been?


17 posted on 11/23/2005 1:33:26 PM PST by furball4paws (One of the last Evil Geniuses, or the first of their return.)
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To: furball4paws
Turkeys are feathered snakes.

It actually kind of makes sense the way they bob their heads like a snake striking at a target.
18 posted on 11/23/2005 1:37:30 PM PST by microgood
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To: PatrickHenry

There is something fascinating about science. One gets such wholesale returns of conjecture out of such a trifling investment of fact. - Mark Twain


19 posted on 11/23/2005 1:39:16 PM PST by BlueYonder
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I know that tomorrow morning, I'm going to pull a snake out the turkey's butt, cook it up with the heart and liver and my dogs wil feast on it later. That's enuf for me.


20 posted on 11/23/2005 1:40:39 PM PST by furball4paws (One of the last Evil Geniuses, or the first of their return.)
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