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GM to cut 30,000 jobs
Reuters, Bloomberg | 21 Nov, 2005 | Self

Posted on 11/21/2005 5:34:36 AM PST by 12B

Breaking on Bloomberg and Reuters. GM will cut 30,000 jobs in massive restructuring. More....


TOPICS: Breaking News; Business/Economy
KEYWORDS: automakers; autoworkers; corporatewhores; generalmotors; gm; layoffs; uaw
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To: duckman

In this case it's those who have already retired that are the lead anchor drooped around the corporate neck.


281 posted on 11/22/2005 5:08:53 AM PST by bvw
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To: conservativecorner

There's no such thing as price-gouging, except as marxist propaganda. Hooray for all price gougers!


282 posted on 11/22/2005 5:10:48 AM PST by bvw
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To: dakine; Paved Paradise
Sloth and envy.

Sloth and envy and vanity.

283 posted on 11/22/2005 5:12:40 AM PST by bvw
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To: Young Scholar
But the point of executive pay is really to hold on to executives who are still valuable to the company, and it should be based on what is necessary to keep him there as long as the value he provides is greater than the cost.

Too often used by shills and whores. I'd gladly run GM into the ground just as much as these clowns for a mere "pennies on the dollar" of what they're getting paid. And Carly Fiorina destroyed tens of billions of shareholder value at Lucent and HP, but still walked away with a seven-figure severance package...

284 posted on 11/22/2005 5:21:09 AM PST by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: Paved Paradise

Get used to it, FRiend. There are a LOT of elitists here. There are a lot in the house & senate, too (RHINOS) that call themselves republicans.


285 posted on 11/22/2005 5:22:52 AM PST by The Foolkiller ( Why......That sounds.....FOOLish!)
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To: PLK
Not quite. The deep pockets of health Insurance as perceived led to a phenomenal rise in expectations of health care delivery and a dazzling range of new services. Also, imo, a great increase in Health consicousness. In general people had been in denial abut many mundane yet steadily deteriorating health problems because of reluctance to spend to get them fixed.

My wife works as a dental hygienist, for 25 years I've seen the effect. People who never went to dentists started going once they became insured. Still, today after a couple generations of somebody else paying, I would not go to a dental practise that relies on insured patients, and greatly prefer those that do not take insurance or that prefer cash. There is a remarkable difference in the quality of care, in the caring.

Health is a necessity, and good health is a force multiplier in a work-force. In the early years (maybe twenty-thirty years) of health insurance in a region health improves, because public expectations regrading health improve.

286 posted on 11/22/2005 5:23:45 AM PST by bvw
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To: madison10

Wait for retail results after the Holidays are over.


287 posted on 11/22/2005 5:25:20 AM PST by The Foolkiller ( Why......That sounds.....FOOLish!)
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Bottom line: the product line sucks.


288 posted on 11/22/2005 5:53:10 AM PST by Pio (He who has not Mary for a Mother, has not God for a Father.)
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To: dfwgator
Actually it is about all 3. And oil prices. And lame management. And reckless financial practices. And...
289 posted on 11/22/2005 5:59:54 AM PST by JasonC
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To: The Foolkiller

Unfortunately, that's not unusual for any car salesman regardless of brand.


290 posted on 11/22/2005 6:11:35 AM PST by al_c
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To: Kjobs
Amen. While I hate the unions, the real problem here is that GM is producing a line of shoddy, unattractive vehicles. I mean, have you seen some of the crap that the Pontiac division is producing? No wonder this company is failing.

Yes, and the union is responsible for the shoddy production (though the designers are responsible for the unattractive designs).

My dad was a union man who worked for an auto manufacturer years ago, though not on the line. He was an "old timer" who actually took pride in his work. The union made sure that slackers and sloppy workers kept their jobs. My dad and the other "old timers" spent much of their time fixing the mistakes and shoddy work of the "young'ins". Dad said many of the guys would just sleep on the night shift - never got disciplined - you couldn't touch them because the union would bail them out. Once the "old timers" like Dad retired, the careful, accurate work went with them.

While I'm sure there are still workers who try to do an honest job, the union "can't touch me" mentality has invaded the workplace, and the guys who sweep the floor make nearly as much as the engineers. There is no fear of reprisal for a poor job. He feels the unions brought this on themselves.

291 posted on 11/22/2005 6:33:35 AM PST by BrynS728
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To: Paved Paradise
3. Pay million dollar bonuses at the same time they cut people's jobs, benefits and so on. I understand companies having to make cuts but you know yourself... if you had to pull in the belt at home and told your spouse to cut up the credit cards and you couldn't eat out once a week anymore and the kids were going to have to go to the 2nd hand store (no more news stuff) but you then went out and bought a brand new "insert your 75K sport car here," do you think that might be considered sinful (or selfish?)

Your mistake is thinking a company is a joint venture (like a family) between management and employees. It is not; the employees and management both work for the company, and it is entirely reasonable to pay them what they are worth to the company (or fire them if they aren't worth paying). This could at times mean laying off low-level workers and paying valuable executives high bonuses. Of course, it can also mean firing a bad executive even while hiring new workers.

4. Cutting employees but requiring the "left-behinds" to pick up the slack and do the work of two or more people and not compensating them fairly. This has personally happened to me on two occasions. It is happening to a lady I work with right now.

Again, that is not wrong; it is just the way the marketplace works. In a tight labor market, workers can make demands on companies (higher pay, etc.), but in a looser labor market, companies can make demands on workers (such as doing more work for the same pay). If you think the company is making unfair demands, you are always free to quit. If your work really is worth more than what the company is paying you, you should have no problem finding a better job elsewhere, or even better, starting your own business.

293 posted on 11/22/2005 6:47:54 AM PST by Young Scholar
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To: Paved Paradise

Totally irrelevant.


294 posted on 11/22/2005 6:51:49 AM PST by blackie (Be Well~Be Armed~Be Safe~Molon Labe!)
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To: grey_whiskers
Too often used by shills and whores. I'd gladly run GM into the ground just as much as these clowns for a mere "pennies on the dollar" of what they're getting paid. And Carly Fiorina destroyed tens of billions of shareholder value at Lucent and HP, but still walked away with a seven-figure severance package...

Very true, and it is unfortunate when it happens. At times it may be the result of nepotism and favoritism leading to bad hiring decisions, but at times I suspect it is just a bad gamble. There's a reason someone like Fiorina got to where she was--she obviously has some significant talent. In retrospect, through, she was very ill-suited to a company like HP, and probably not worth what they paid her. On the other hand, a company that never took management risks and always hired "bargain" executives would probably do even worse in the long run.

295 posted on 11/22/2005 7:09:01 AM PST by Young Scholar
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To: sgribbley

Actually, people *are* slamming the Element and Scion. The difference is that Honda and Toyota can sell semi-ugly vehicles because people know they will be reliable.

You can't give an Aztek away, because people know it's a pile of crap. I mean, it's a GM minivan that's been rebodied, it's undertired and undersuspended for its weight, and the one I test drove a few years ago with 10 miles on it was already showing signs of wear, drove like crap, and THEN had a total electrical system failure that cut the test drive short.


296 posted on 11/22/2005 7:17:34 AM PST by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: Cronos
There's a bluidy logical reason for that. The US will use up the oil in the Middle East (the USA Is the largest consumer of oil -- 25% of the total world consumption at last estimate) and, if the Arabbs get shirty, THEN, the USA will have it's own oil

Good sentiment, if only it were true. Our impotence at sustaining (when we should be expanding) our oil infrastructure is nothing but a win for the greens and is costing us hundreds of thousands of jobs. Drilling in ANWR would drive our unemployment rate into the 2's.

My Suburban runs on ethanol, but that's just a drop in the bucket. Drilling in ANWR, the gulf of Mexico, Florida, California + ethanol and bio diesel is the best option TODAY for sustained American strength and prosperity.

297 posted on 11/22/2005 8:22:02 AM PST by kerryusama04 (The UN wants our guns so they can rape our children and steal our money)
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To: The Foolkiller
Wait for retail results after the Holidays are over.

I know they are (retailers)expecting a 6% increase this year. Call me crazy, but I don't think all those laid-off folks will be spending what they planned on spending for gifts. There may be some returns going back from GM homes as we speak.

298 posted on 11/22/2005 8:57:16 AM PST by madison10
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To: BrynS728
Thou paintest with an extremely B R O A D brush. This is fairly true:

While I'm sure there are still workers who try to do an honest job, the union "can't touch me" mentality has invaded the workplace, and the guys who sweep the floor make nearly as much as the engineers. There is no fear of reprisal for a poor job. He feels the unions brought this on themselves.

But it is as broad a brush stroke as saying all "Conservatives are Republicans." There are MANY hard workers who put up with the nonsense...it is BOTH the union's & GM's fault for not leaving an opening for the disciplining of slackers.

299 posted on 11/22/2005 9:20:53 AM PST by madison10
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To: madison10
There are MANY hard workers who put up with the nonsense...

Now they're realizing they shouldn't have. But it's too late.

300 posted on 11/22/2005 9:37:17 AM PST by polymuser (I wish the Republicans had a majority in Congress.)
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