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Landscape-Altering Vote Last Night
self ^ | 11/19/05 | LS

Posted on 11/19/2005 6:19:28 AM PST by LS

Before Congressman Billybob jumps in with what I know will be an astute analysis, I'll get my two cents in on last night's vote. I consider it to be potentially a landscape-altering vote.

First, as a caveat for all you "The-Republicans-Always-Snatch-Defeat-From-The-Jaws-of-Victory" crowd, let me admit it's a long way to 2006 and the GOP still can shoot itself in the foot, ankle, and probably rectum several times before the election. So can Bush. However, tactically this was brillilant (thank you J.D. Hayworth, Denny Hastert, and all who spoke), and for now, the GOP not only seized the high ground, but they have the Dems fully on the run.

Pay no attention to what the MSM says about this vote ("Fox and Friends" mindless twitterers were already saying, "Well, of course we can't just pull out now," which, of course is exactly what Murtha recommended and what the Dems want to do). This was a huge vote, a potentially landscape-altering vote. The GOP forced the Dems to choose between the general election next year and the primaries, and the Dems chose the general election. The result will be threefold: 1) a dramatic decrease in funding of the Dems across the board, but especially the House members' campaigns (as if Dean wasn't hurting them enough in that area anyway); 2) a decrease in the committed volunteers from the Michael Moore/Moveon/Moonbat wing; and 3) probably the most serious, intense challenges in the primaries for many of these incumbents from the left. By the way, for all the Rush Limbaugh bashers on the board, this was precisely the strategy that Rush recommended before he left on break: MAKE the Dems become more extreme and cater to their base even more.

When you add to that the sound bite gifts that the Dems gave the Republicans who can use it in all campaigns ("Our soldiers have become the enemy," for example), this tactical maneuver not only recaptured all the lost momentum from the last two months, but put the Dems on the defensive on their worst issue, and the one currently costing Bush the most at the polls. Then you have the great sound bites from the GOP side, including Congresswoman Schmidt's fantastic "cowards surrender, Marines never do!" THAT ONE will be on all the ads, you can believe it. (And it doesn't matter that she "withdrew" her remarks: they are still playing it on the tube). She is in the district next to mine, and I'm glad those fine people in Hamilton County sent her to Congress and not DeWine the lesser.

As if all this weren't enough, several Republicans emerged as stars through their actions and speeches, including Schmidt, Hayworth of Arizona, and Sam Johnson of Texas. Others severely damaged their credibility by either praising Murtha (Curt Weldon, who badly damaged his Able Danger campaign with his stupid speech) or taking the opportunity to nip at Bush (Tom Tancredo, who hurt the immigration issue that badly needs fixing). If one wonders why such people aren't in positions of power in the GOP, that was a good example of the fact that they cannot keep their eye on the ball and, to mix metaphors, "bunt the runner over to third" by sticking to the topic.

Perhaps most important, anyone watching the incredible debate had to come away with a sense that in fact these Democrats are not "patriots" and that they indeed wish we could somehow lose in Iraq. It is interesting that to my knowledge not one Dem read a single letter from a soldier at the front (I think Murtha read one from a guy in a mental ward). ALL the GOP letters were from soldiers at the front.

These comments will get out, despite the MSM. The new media will get them out; campaign ads will get them out, and if I were the GOP, right now I would assemble an ad with sound bites of these Dems' treasonous comments and start running them immediately! THE CAMPAIGN STARTS TODAY.

My take on this is that if correctly played, last night's vote possibly could cost the Dems up to 30 seats in the House in 2006. This could very well be as significant as the vote in 1900 "for" continuing to fight the Filipino Insurrection and to keep McKinley in the White House. You heard it here first. We'll see if Frist and the Senate have the same cajones or political insight that the House members have.

LS

(co-author, "A Patriot's History of the United States")


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KEYWORDS: 109th; 2006election; abledanger; bush; calledtheirbluff; cutandrun; democrats; immigration; iraq; murtha; senate; tancredo
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To: KC_Conspirator

Amen!


61 posted on 11/19/2005 7:04:34 AM PST by MeekMom (Praise Jesus! We have so much to be thankful for!)
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To: Brooklyn Kid

Murtha didn't vote for it ? He doesn't mind looking crazy but he is a tad saner than he looks?


62 posted on 11/19/2005 7:04:55 AM PST by ThanhPhero (di hanh huong den La Vang)
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To: LS

The "Who's Who" list of anti-Americans in the House that are screwing up America. None Dare Call It Treason.

Jose Serrano of New York, Robert Wexler of Florida and Cynthia McKinney of Georgia, Jim McDermott of Washington; Jerrold Nadler, Maurice Hinchey and Major Owens of New York; Michael Capuano of Massachusetts and William Lacy Clay of Missouri.


63 posted on 11/19/2005 7:05:01 AM PST by TUX (Domino effect)
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To: LS
...last night's vote possibly could cost the Dems up to 30 seats in the House in 2006.

Possible with an informed electorate... unfortunately, we're not blessed with that. And while the House sported 'big ones' last night, the Senate's were still in a state of ascension. I heard 'Edith Bunker-Collins' say yesterday that she STILL hasn't made up her mind on Alito.

Unless the party... and the administration builds on the momentum we gained this week, the House vote will be meaningless. The Rino's have gotten the MSM's full-attention... and they like it.

64 posted on 11/19/2005 7:07:24 AM PST by johnny7 (“What now? Let me tell you what now.”)
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To: Jimmy Valentine
FINAL VOTE RESULTS FOR ROLL CALL 608
http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2005/roll608.xml
(Republicans in roman; Democrats in italic; Independents underlined)

65 posted on 11/19/2005 7:10:14 AM PST by Wolverine (A Concerned Citizen)
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To: LS

IF the media covered what happened last night, at all or with any accuracy at least...YES they would likely lose seats. But it happening on the weekend and the convenient memory and priorities of our beloved media, it will be buried under "Rove's possible indictment" and "Bush defending the war overseas" and all the rest.


66 posted on 11/19/2005 7:10:43 AM PST by BonnieJ
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To: LS; All
What an excellent thread and you made some really great points that needed to be made.
Many of us were really upset with Kurt Weldon going south on us and you are absolutely right about the msm trying to bury this vote.
My guess is it will be hardly mentioned anywhere. If this story has a life you will hear it on talk radio, the internet and of course a few papers that get it like the Wash. Times and a few others.
As for fox and friends, more weekend programming debacles, plus FNC has been going more and more msm lately.It's probably about selling out for money(more sponsors with a a more liberal attitude in broadcasting-- selling out) but they should remember who brought them to the ball. They could wind up dancing alone.
67 posted on 11/19/2005 7:12:58 AM PST by rodguy911 (Support Able Danger and Lt.Col Shaffer,Condi Rice/VP in 08--)
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To: All

Ever cast your own bullets? When lead is molten, all the crap floats to the top and you can easily scrape if off and discard it into the trash as soon as it cools off a bit. I hope we see more of this put up or shut up tactic, it should be relentless over the next year just to keep the scum scraped off the top. Let them keep the burner on high now that there is momentum.

The next vote should be: Let Saddam out of jail, drop all charges against him and assist him in rebuilding his forces ...
You know, since we were all totally wrong about him and his motives.

Man, I can just see them squirming now...


68 posted on 11/19/2005 7:13:49 AM PST by FunkyZero
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To: LS
Pay no attention to what the MSM says about this vote...

I find the media hypocrisy amusing; if the Democrats had managed to get a few more votes -- even one Republican one -- I think that this vote would have been trumpeted from the skies.

I believe that the ridiculous Fitzgerald soap opera garnered much coverage for very little substance, and I believe that the MSM reaction to a just few more 'yes' votes in this case would have been on the level of the resignation of Nixon. Instead, since it didn't go their way, the MSM are downplaying the historic vote last evening. I checked news.google.com, and on the page generated for the news coverage this event, none of the headlines use the word "overwhelmingly", though the word does appear in a handful of the first lines of the stories. Instead, the headlines are predictably slanted to the left, downplaying the defeat of the Democrats:

Pullout debate takes nasty turn

White House plays chicken with a war hero

Call for Troops' Removal Reverberates at Home

House Erupts in War Debate

Democratic hawk blasts Bush over Iraq, urges pullout

Uproar in House as Parties Clash on Iraq Pullout (from the New York Times, which in this story doesn't even mention the overwhelming nature of the vote total until paragraph 6, and then goes trying to write excuses for it.)

I did find one headline for an opinion piece that was notably not defeatist: Cut and run in Iraq isn’t a real policy, but most of the rest ranged from left to way out into loony left territory.

Why we cannot even have semblance of objective journalism from the MSM is beyond me; their sales are dropping rapidly, hurting their ad revenues, and the editors are deluding themselves if they think it is just demographics. I think it is the content with its overwhelming left-wing bias that is driving many people away.

69 posted on 11/19/2005 7:14:50 AM PST by snowsislander
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To: bert

How do you figure that?

The Democrats asked for a CIA report on intelligence regarding Iraq. They admit they didn't read it. It was a report cleared for them to read. In other words, it wasn't classified.

So you'll have to let me know how it is you think I'm advocating for a leak in intelligence. LOL


70 posted on 11/19/2005 7:15:30 AM PST by Peach (The Clintons pardoned more terrorists than they ever captured or killed.)
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To: M Kehoe
On an off topic note, has anyone ever seen Nancy Pelosi blink?

I hear that when she gets her next facelift, there will be an additional piece of skin added to her eyelids to facilitate that action.

A good thing to...watching that secondary clear eye lid come up from the bottom of her eyes was creeping me out...

71 posted on 11/19/2005 7:15:37 AM PST by jscd3
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To: Peach
Morning Peach, how are you?

Monica Crowley talking about all this on WABC AM 770 on the net now.
She's so awesome in so many ways.
72 posted on 11/19/2005 7:16:45 AM PST by rodguy911 (Support Able Danger and Lt.Col Shaffer,Condi Rice/VP in 08--)
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To: LS; Congressman Billybob
Bookmarked and bttt...
..and I get a two-fer

Yours and Congressman Billybob's :))

Sure glad you fellas are on our side!

73 posted on 11/19/2005 7:18:54 AM PST by Guenevere
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To: Fenris6

Still dining with the Donner Party, I see.


74 posted on 11/19/2005 7:19:15 AM PST by OldFriend (The Dems enABLEd DANGER and 3,000 Americans died.)
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To: LS
Anyone with an ounce of analytical ability who watched the full debate on the rule and the bill came away with a view that showed who the democrats are: poseurs who rely on anecdote and emotion, rather than facts to set their world view and U.S. policy.

After two hours of their vitriol and "debate", they haven't got the spine to vote for the tenets of their stated beliefs! There's a true demonstration of D's profiles in courage and leadership,eh?

Even though we are living perilously close to the edge politically, giving back leadership in the either house of Congress to these lying weasels will take us off the cliff with flags flying.

I compare it to giving a bottle of Jack Daniels and car keys to a teenager and pointing him toward the interstate.
75 posted on 11/19/2005 7:19:59 AM PST by Zman
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To: Peach
There was information on the internet during the past few days that Rockefeller got an IN PERSON comprehensive briefing on the intelligence before his vote.

Anyone surprised that the dems are LYING again.

76 posted on 11/19/2005 7:20:45 AM PST by OldFriend (The Dems enABLEd DANGER and 3,000 Americans died.)
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To: LS

It's called fighting back. I believe it started with the White house about two weeks ago, and I hope it continues.


77 posted on 11/19/2005 7:20:52 AM PST by ElkGroveDan (California bashers will be called out)
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To: o_zarkman44
Great pick here.
The resolution to bring the matter to a vote "was" the real story. This showed who the real patriots and who the traitors really were. And guess what? Other than 5 bozo pubbies, all the rats can now be branded as traitors IMHO.
78 posted on 11/19/2005 7:22:03 AM PST by rodguy911 (Support Able Danger and Lt.Col Shaffer,Condi Rice/VP in 08--)
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To: JLAGRAYFOX
Expecting Frist to pull this off is truly snatching defeat from the jaws of victory.

Time to call it a day. We made our point.

79 posted on 11/19/2005 7:22:44 AM PST by OldFriend (The Dems enABLEd DANGER and 3,000 Americans died.)
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To: Cboldt

HINCHEY voted "present"........the lousy democrat couldn't even take a stand.........a present vote translates to I want to vote no but don't dare to..........his district has Lockheed Martin....a defense contractor and the best he could muster was "present"..........LOSER. I wish this district would just vote him out of office.


80 posted on 11/19/2005 7:23:55 AM PST by tioga
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