Posted on 11/17/2005 4:19:14 PM PST by airedale
The All Saints Episcopal Church in Pasadena, a very, very liberal church, is being investigated by the IRS to see if their tax exempt status should be removed. The LA Times has been covering this story with the church as a victim. If this had been an evangelical or fundamentalist protestant church the LA Times and the news networks IMO would have taken a different tone, but that's beside the point. For those of you that are interested in this controversy the sermon that caused this controversy is available on-line at: http://www.allsaints-pas.org/all_saints_church.htm You'll need to click on the archives link and then go to October 31, 2004 for the sermon: If Jesus Debated Senator Kerry and President Bush by Dr. George Regas, Rector Emeritus. It's in PDF format. The sermon listed on the page originally linked to called The IRS goes to Church is this churches response. It’s also in PDF Format
I decided to post this because I don’t trust the MSM to accurately cover this or provide links where you can form your own opinion. If you’re interested in this case read the sermon and make up your own mind. I’d suggest reading others sermons and the other transcript available in their archives because this church has a long history of liberal activism and one incident probably isn’t enough to lose the IRS tax exemption.
The link somehow didn't show up as a html link so lets try again: http://www.allsaints-pas.org/all_saints_church.htm
Democrats can campaign from the pulpit. It's in the Constitution. /s
Any Episcopalians out there know which Saints the Episcopal church recognizes as such? And do they still cannonize new ones?
My MIL used to be his secretary at All Saints. He hasn't changed.
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It doesn't surprise me that Pravda on the Pacific can't understand the underlying reason why a minister might address abortion.
What's a MIL?
Mother in Law.
Traditional Anglican ping, continued in memory of its founder Arlin Adams. bump for publicity
"Any Episcopalians out there know which Saints the Episcopal church recognizes as such? And do they still cannonize new ones?"
Check out this site of St. Gregory of Nyssa Episcopal Church: http://www.saintgregorys.org/,
Among other things you can view icons of St. Malcom X (EL-HAJJ MALIK EL-SHABAZZ), St. Sojourner Truth, St. Black Elk, St. Cesar Chavez, St. John Coltrane, St. Charles Darwin, St. Ella Fitzgerald, St. Mohandas Gandhi, St. Thurgood Marshall, St. John Muir, St. Eleanor Roosevelt, and St. Rumi the Sufi.
http://godsfriends.org/Vol8/No2/Dancing_Saints.html
"And do they still cannonize new ones?"
Mainly the Saints cannonized before the reformation (certainly the early church fathers, for sure) would be recognized by the Episcopal Church formally, don't know about more recent ones for sure. Answer to the second question is "no".
Thank you both. I always wondered how protestant churches select which Saints they honor. I will read up when I get time. :o)
In both Lutheran and Episcopal calendars distinction is made between festivals of the Apostles and Evangelists and Mary, the Mother of Our Lord, and the commemorations which include such pre-reformation catholic saints as Augustine of Hippo, Anselm of Canterbury, and Irenaeus of Lyons. The more recent centuries tend to have commemorations unique to each denomination: Episcopalians remember Cranmer and Hooker while Lutheran s remember Melanchthon and Buggenhagen.
You can find a very good month-by-month composite calendar of most of the Lutheran and Episcopal commemorations at www.missionstclare.com
As for the process of adding new commemorations, this generally comes through a committee (partially elected, partially appointed) which reports to the national governing assembly. Large revisions do not occur until a new worship book is published. In the case of the LCMS, that book will be available next year. In the case of the ELCA, preview materials will be available by spring and the final book next fall.
Thank you for the info.
I saw a Methodist church a few weeks back called Saint something or other. I wish I could recall the name. But I was suprised they would honor a Catholic (originally) Saint.
The IRS should be called about the liberal churches that preach Democrat talking points. We'll be busy for years making those calls, there are so many of them.
One group known as Bahai started out as liberal Iranians' answer to Islam. They got thrown out of Iran and now have groups meeting all over the world. Somehow over the years, it became a very left wing political organization that even has a photo of the UN on the cover of a brochure.
Also, they have an extremely complex nonchain of noncommand so great sums of money can be funneled around without being traced. When I asked the members I met about where the money went, they got extremely wide-eyed and wierd. The members were so far left, (including a Microsoft vice prez and other limousine libs), I wouldn't be surprised if their convoluted money spout pours into alQaeda's coffers.
There are a lot of Methodist churches named "St. Paul", especially, it seems, in south-central Pennsylvania. It goes to show that there are a number of truly small "c" catholic=universal saints, mostly the Apostles and Gospel writers.
Mother in Law. She used to be secretary to Regas for years. This was my husband's parish and was part of the reason he became Catholic.
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