Posted on 11/15/2005 6:51:13 AM PST by DTogo
...HANNITY: Because you had made a controversial statement, and you seem to be backing off of it now, and it was that people that are here illegally, that they all ought to be sent back.
I'm paraphrasing.
And it seems like now you've sort of backed off that position a little bit, because there are million that we estimate that are in this country illegally.
Why wouldn't we send them back?
CHERTOFF: ...I also recognize we've got, according to some estimates, 10 to 11 million illegals already in this country working. And the cost of identifying all of those people and sending them back would be stupendous. It would be billions and billions of dollars...
HANNITY: Why — in that sense, aren't you really rewarding those that didn't respect our laws and sovereignty? In other words, OK, you're saying, you came into this country illegally.
Now that we've identified you, we're going to let you even stay longer and make money, and then you can go back in three to six years.
Why don't we say, no, you're here illegally, you didn't respect our laws, you ought to go home? Why don't we just say that?
CHERTOFF: Well, Sean, you know, it's really an issue of practicality.
I mean, as a practical matter, we've got to identify these people and pull them out of the shadows.
Now, this is not an amnesty. This is not — the president's proposal is not a path to citizenship. It's clearly temporary, and it clearly envisions people who would have to commit to go back....
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Posting a thread is now the equivalent of Shooting one's mouth off?
I don't know how much it will cost to secure our borders or round up every ILLEGAL alien in the country and deport them, but I'm willing to try.
I didn't (and still don't) know how much it was going to cost to remove the Taliban and instill a constitutional government in Afghanistan, but I support the effort and think it's worth it.
I didn't (and still don't) know how much it was going to cost to remove Saddam's regime and instill a constitutional government in Iraq, but I support the effort and think it's worth it.
I don't know how much it will cost to maintain a local police force and fire department where I live, but I think it's worth it to enforce our laws and protect people.
Do we have to have a price tag beforehand to secure our country and enforce our laws? Is there a cost-benefit logic to such actions, that are required by law?
Why is it important to you that we have a "prejudice" for Mexicans in our immigration system?
If you want to pretend that market forces don't exist that is your problem. People are going to come here illegally if they know they can get work, just like anywhere else.
Your tirade on slavery is bordering on braindead liberal. Either the workers will come here or the jobs will go there to Chile, Mexico etc. Are you willing to sacrifice our farmers for your policy?? They have always been the bedrock of the Conservative movement and you are willing to bankrupt them? Have you ever picked crops or worked or owned a farm?? There is no mechanization that can replicate the skills of farm workers. Now go ahead and namecall, it really makes your case.
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OK...nice straw-woman there...
See, when you are disabled, retarded, ect....the Gub'Mint gives REAL NICE business incentives to hire them!
See, Les_Misrerables son is NOT of a minority/protected/priviledged class...there are NO bonuses for businesses to hire able bodied White kids.
Sorry about your kid, I'm even sorrier that her parent is "supposedly" more capapble than her, but understands less apparently.
I always love hearing the stories about how hispanics are not just the same as us American citizens theyre better!
Youre way out of line.
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Does that mean we should not enforce the law?
Drug abusers will continue to buy drugs illegally if they know they can get drugs, just like anywhere else. Should we legalize drugs, or turn a blind eye to enforcing the law?
Teenagers will continue to buy booze illegally if they know thet can get booze, just like anywhere else. Should we lower the drinking age or ignore their actions? Can we criticize the local police chief if he isn't enforcing the law?
""Stare Decisis". After close to a 150 years of precedent, you really think the Supreme Court is going to change the definition of citizenship? Doubt four Scalia clones would do that."
you've done little but demonstrate an ability to be evasive and contrarian with no real offering of any potential solutions. IN fact, you've done little but argue that because something has been done incorrectly that it'll stay that way. This type of logic guarantees failure. You don't seem real interested in the problem, only shooting down any potential solution.
Scalia is one of the main proponents of stare decisis and anyone familiar with him and the USSC knows that. Maybe you meant 4 Thomas clones. But then, the focus of the USSC nominations involved getting people on the court who would interpret laws through an originalist perspective. Thus stare decisis would not really be an obstacle, except for those that believe bad law should continue to be upheld. That's a ridiculous proposition for someone on a 'conservative' site.
And it seems pretty clear from that quote by the co-drafter of the 14th, that there really isn't 150 years of precedent. Maybe a 100, maybe even 120, but I highly doubt RIGHT after that amendment was ratified that illegal aliens' children were considered citizen and that this was upheld in court decisions of the time.
Criticism is one thing, but you only seem to offer obstructionism. If we were debating the 2nd, I wonder if you'd do nothing but offer up objections using current gun laws and oversteps of governmental power on that matter too?
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The person has claimed a "disabled" daughter...do you believe that they would not know that businesses get BIG Gub'Mint kickbacks for hiring disabled persons?
So, their argument to Les_Miserables was started from a disingenuous position.
Or are we who are opposed to Illegal Immigration just supposed to "suck it up" whenever we are called racist/anti-immigrant ect?
Sorry, I do NOT believe I made a personal attack (no violation of the rules), I simply pointed out that which was left out when they attacked Les_Miserables kid as a "whiner".
Have you ever picked crops?? I have. There are only so many jobs that machines can do, plus you have to have someone to run the machine. Where you go to find these people??
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Look, I understand what you are saying but by including so much venomous and PERSONAL invective in your posts you are distracting from the points you are trying to make. You yourself have said that the main people to engage you in THIS thread were not the ones you were speaking of--so why include the insults?
When the idiots comment, then respond to them. But if flash or nicmarlo initially try to engage you, don't respond with personal insults and then say it's not REALLY about them. No human with more than a single digit IQ would take your posts to be anything but insults to the people with which you're conversing.
I did not attack their kid...nor was it any sort of personal attack...unlike what OBL-ers do here.
See my respose to mthom on 336.
And it's you "Cult of Bush" " types that are creepy...Party over Principle, and the abject WORSHIP of one man.
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