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Santorum: Don't put intelligent design in classroom
Beaver County Times & Allegheny Times ^ | 11/13/5 | Bill Vidonic

Posted on 11/13/2005 3:49:41 PM PST by Crackingham

U.S. Sen. Rick Santorum said Saturday that he doesn't believe that intelligent design belongs in the science classroom. Santorum's comments to The Times are a shift from his position of several years ago, when he wrote in a Washington Times editorial that intelligent design is a "legitimate scientific theory that should be taught in the classroom."

But on Saturday, the Republican said that, "Science leads you where it leads you."

Santorum was in Beaver Falls to present Geneva College President Kenneth A. Smith with a $1.345 million check from federal funds for renovations that include the straightening and relocation of Route 18 through campus.

Santorum's comments about intelligent design come at a time when the belief that the universe is so complex that it must have been created by a higher power, an alternative to the theory of evolution, has come under fire on several fronts.

A federal trial just wrapped up in which eight families sued Dover Area School District in eastern Pennsylvania. The district's school board members tried to introduce teaching intelligent design into the classroom, but the families said the policy violated the constitutional separation of church and state. No ruling has been issued on the trial, but Tuesday, all eight Dover School Board members up for re-election were ousted by voters, leading to a fiery tirade by religious broadcaster Pat Robertson.

Robertson warned residents, "If there is a disaster in your area, don't turn to God, you just rejected him from your city."

Santorum said flatly Saturday, "I disagree. I don't believe God abandons people," and said he has not spoken to Robertson about his comments.

Though Santorum said he believes that intelligent design is "a legitimate issue," he doesn't believe it should be taught in the classroom, adding that he had concerns about some parts of the theory.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Extended News; Government; News/Current Events; Philosophy; Politics/Elections; US: Pennsylvania
KEYWORDS: 109th; creationism; crevolist; evilution; evolution; goddoodit; havemercyonusohlord; intelligentdesign; monkeygod; santorum; scienceeducation
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To: Diamond

What the quote seems to be saying, is that evolutionists have left themselves so many outs, that essentially nothing is provable or disprovable using their own processes.

Oh dang, I went and used the wrong terminology again.

We can't prove anything, but their claims are above reproach and unquestionably right. My mistake.

I need to get over to that other thread. Thanks for the post. Nice one.


601 posted on 11/15/2005 11:09:43 AM PST by DoughtyOne
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To: dmz
"If the Vedics or the Muslims were on this thread saying the same thing as the "evangelicals", they'd be getting the same response."


Not true. Quite a few pro evolution posters are saying students who are taught ID belong in remedial classes regardless of whether they have been taught chemistry and physics ,regardless of how high they score in math.

The Vedics are not teaching Devolution as religion they have published it as a competing theory to Darwin's Evolution. Fortunately many posters are ignorant about the Vedics or maybe they would be kicking them out of science classes .

I doubt the same posters would blink an eye at teaching a Muslim from a radical madrassa nuclear particle physics.

Some of the posters really want to keep the Evangelists out of advanced science classes. If you walk like Marxist, talk Marxist ,well you know the rest...
602 posted on 11/15/2005 11:12:36 AM PST by after dark
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To: dmz

Read the freakin' thread already.


603 posted on 11/15/2005 11:17:18 AM PST by Dead Dog
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To: DoughtyOne
What the quote seems to be saying, is that evolutionists have left themselves so many outs, that essentially nothing is provable or disprovable using their own processes. Oh dang, I went and used the wrong terminology again. We can't prove anything, but their claims are above reproach and unquestionably right. My mistake.

If you could find a billion year old lizard or mammal, you would prove evolutionary biology wrong. But to do it, you'd have to believe the geologists who think the world is old.

604 posted on 11/15/2005 11:22:51 AM PST by <1/1,000,000th%
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To: <1/1,000,000th%

I don't fully understand your point, but I do understand your concept. The lizard proof thing is escaping me at the moment. I do have a great sympathy for your seeming intimation of billions upon billions upon billions upon billions is more than a little overkill. I gree.


605 posted on 11/15/2005 11:29:39 AM PST by DoughtyOne
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To: DoughtyOne

That's because you don't really know any evolutionary biology.

It's the fossil record that made the case for evolution. That's why none of the anti-science crowd discuss it.

As a simple example, reptile fossils appear in the fossil record before mammals do. So the theory says that due to this and the morphological features of the fossils, mammals evolved from reptiles.

If you were to find a fully-developed human fossil older than any reptile fossil, you would have significant evidence for evolution being wrong.

150 years of searching has not produced this huan fossil.


606 posted on 11/15/2005 11:42:22 AM PST by <1/1,000,000th%
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To: <1/1,000,000th%

I followed you until you got to the "huan fossil". LOL, just kidding. I know what you mean. Thanks for the refresher.


607 posted on 11/15/2005 11:57:19 AM PST by DoughtyOne
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To: DoughtyOne

LOL!

Thanks. I meant Chinese human fossils. ;)


608 posted on 11/15/2005 11:59:05 AM PST by <1/1,000,000th%
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To: <1/1,000,000th%

BTW, I don't have a problem discussing any aspect of evolution. If I had incontrovertable proof of creation, it woudln't be faith. I'm willing to take a closer look at evolution, but it's not going to make much difference.

That won't sound very enlightened. I can live with it.


609 posted on 11/15/2005 12:06:05 PM PST by DoughtyOne
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To: PatrickHenry

Neither of which are the four words on every US coin.


610 posted on 11/15/2005 12:06:32 PM PST by Doctor Stochastic (Vegetabilisch = chaotisch ist der Charakter der Modernen. - Friedrich Schlegel)
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To: DoughtyOne

I look at it slightly more sideways.

We are obviously here (in my philosophy anyway), so creation is a fact.

My faith in God tells me he put us here and that we can learn about creation up to some point, but we still have to learn to live. Scripture fills that void.

Science is how we learn to make toasters, computers and antibiotics. Trivial in comparison, but useful.


611 posted on 11/15/2005 1:24:25 PM PST by <1/1,000,000th%
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To: <1/1,000,000th%

That works for me. I probably wouldn't have stated it that way, but upon reading your comments I don't disagree.

I don't expect to have every question answered in this life. As far as science goes, it is useful. I agree with a number of it's concepts. I just don't think science has the answer to some of the most important questions in life.


612 posted on 11/15/2005 1:42:53 PM PST by DoughtyOne
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To: DoughtyOne

I agree with you.


613 posted on 11/15/2005 1:46:34 PM PST by <1/1,000,000th%
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To: <1/1,000,000th%

Thanks. I appreciate the exchange.


614 posted on 11/15/2005 1:47:52 PM PST by DoughtyOne
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To: DoughtyOne

Likewise. ;)


615 posted on 11/15/2005 1:48:55 PM PST by <1/1,000,000th%
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To: Sun
This is a non existent choice that you are presented with of course. Is this the logical fallacy or non sequitur?

Wolf
616 posted on 11/15/2005 5:02:02 PM PST by RunningWolf (tag line limbo)
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To: Junior

There are more pro-evolution THEORY scientists in this country than ID scientists (for now).

Does that make the ID scientists wrong?


617 posted on 11/15/2005 6:38:54 PM PST by Sun (Hillary Clinton is pro-ILLEGAL immigration. Don't let her fool you. She has a D- /F immigr. rating.)
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To: Junior

P.S. Thanks for helping me prove my point.


618 posted on 11/15/2005 6:40:32 PM PST by Sun (Hillary Clinton is pro-ILLEGAL immigration. Don't let her fool you. She has a D- /F immigr. rating.)
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To: Sun

Scientists are the ones doing the science. There is no science behind ID. Your point is moot.


619 posted on 11/15/2005 6:43:21 PM PST by Junior (From now on, I'll stick to science, and leave the hunting alien mutants to the experts!)
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To: dmz

I think you missed my point.

My point is, despite the washing of the brains for 40 years in the schools, these good folks have used their own logic.


620 posted on 11/15/2005 6:44:44 PM PST by Sun (Hillary Clinton is pro-ILLEGAL immigration. Don't let her fool you. She has a D- /F immigr. rating.)
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