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"I Relied on the Information, not the Authentication" [Mapes' Phony-but-true Defense]
Fox & Friends | governsleastgovernsbest

Posted on 11/11/2005 4:39:05 AM PST by governsleastgovernsbest

The phony-but-accurate defense is back.

Mary Mapes, producer of the notorious Rathergate story in which CBS relied on blatantly forged documents to argue that the young George W. Bush received preferential treatment in the National Guard, just completed an interview on Fox & Friends with ED Hill.

ED was grilling Mapes rather hard as to the standards of authentication that were required to go forward with such an explosive story. Mapes first gave something of a "depends what the meaning of is, is" defense. She claimed that the standard of authentication for her purposes could be lower than that of absolute proof in a legal setting.

Mapes then added: "I relied on the information, not the authentication."

Translation: yeah, the documents could have been phony, but the underlying story was true.

The old false-but-accurate defense rides again!

As an aside, IMO ED Hill could have been tougher in terms of demonstrating how blatant were the forgeries, but other than that I felt ED handled herself in a professional manner.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Politics/Elections; US: Texas
KEYWORDS: mapes; rathergate
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To: poobear
She took the Clinton "is" approach by trying to redefine what authenticate means.
Woman is so full of crap it is pathetic.
21 posted on 11/11/2005 4:54:37 AM PST by carlr
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To: Restorer

>>>>I wonder if they would have the same degree of understanding for a cop who fakes evidence to convict someone he "knows" is guilty?<<<<<

Clearly, that would depend on who the 'someone' is...


22 posted on 11/11/2005 4:55:42 AM PST by vrwinger (You're entitled to your own opinion, but not your own facts.)
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To: Restorer
I wonder if they would have the same degree of understanding for a cop who fakes evidence to convict someone he "knows" is guilty?

They certainly would, if that someone were a Republican or a conservative.

23 posted on 11/11/2005 4:59:05 AM PST by Christopher Lincoln
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To: governsleastgovernsbest
Ms. Mapes is the textbook definition...

Delusions - A firmly held belief with no basis in reality, that is, clinging to a belief even when the evidence shows that it's false.
She is either deluded or shockingly partisan. In fact, if she isn't delusional and she actually knows that she is lying about this (too), then the "allegations" we made against her (i.e., that the false document report on was a set up and purposeful), then our allegations are probably only 1/2 of the actual story. If this is the case (and I'm pretty sure that it is), there is no telling the depths that this individual would stoop to advance her political agenda.

I can only think of 1 other word that describes this: deranged.

24 posted on 11/11/2005 4:59:09 AM PST by mattdono ("Crush the RATs and RINOs, drive them before you, and hear the lamentations of the scumbags" - Arnie)
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To: governsleastgovernsbest

Saw her on O'Reilly's show last night. She was vague, undecisive and most definitely unconvincing.


25 posted on 11/11/2005 5:00:28 AM PST by 1066AD
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To: governsleastgovernsbest

"Fake but Accurate" shall forever be CBS's motto.


26 posted on 11/11/2005 5:03:47 AM PST by Eric in the Ozarks
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To: Eric in the Ozarks
"Fake but Accurate" shall forever be CBS's motto.

Not unless they want to hear from my lawyers (see tag line).

27 posted on 11/11/2005 5:06:28 AM PST by Maceman (Fake but accurate -- and now double-sourced)
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To: governsleastgovernsbest
Watching her last night she appeared delusional. As Rush has explained, an alternate universe! IMHO - Mary Mapes is not delusional, but rather she’s a crafty and calculating shyster - peddling a few books because she has too. With a tattered reputation, she’s no longer credible as a producer, reporter or pundit. This is her last chance to beef up that IRA and then fade away. Rock-bottom liberals still hate FOX News but they know their books will sell after appearing.

That’s why liberals are so insidious. With full knowledge of the truth, they’re willing to slay their own character for paycheck or power.

28 posted on 11/11/2005 5:07:14 AM PST by QwertyKPH (Non-profane tagline)
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To: YOUGOTIT

The question is, is Fox or anybody else in the MSM going to interview any of the bloggers who exposed this Fake? That's what "fair and balanced" would really require.


29 posted on 11/11/2005 5:07:22 AM PST by CivilWarguy
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To: All

Yeah, and soon Fox is airing a production that sounds like it gives credence to global warming. yippee


30 posted on 11/11/2005 5:08:16 AM PST by texas_mrs (The left are the enablers of terrorists.)
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To: governsleastgovernsbest
When you're gonna accuse someone of dereliction of duty, you bloody well better have AUTHENTICATED documents and LIVE witnesses. Otherwise it is libel or slander.

In this case, its even pretty obvious that there was malicious intent...
31 posted on 11/11/2005 5:08:53 AM PST by Little Ray (I'm a reactionary, hirsute, gun-owning, knuckle dragging, Christian Neanderthal and proud of it!)
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To: governsleastgovernsbest

I thought Ed and Mary could have been sisters chatting.


32 posted on 11/11/2005 5:11:09 AM PST by Flavius Josephus (Hello Free Republic.)
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To: governsleastgovernsbest

According to the Mapes Mindset of "fake but accurate" I could have some fun "reporting" that our Mayor robbed a liguor store last night. They'd have to convict him wouldn't they? Rights? What rights? You can see where this all is heading. Which is perfectly acceptable to the lefto "M. Mapes" among us.


33 posted on 11/11/2005 5:11:13 AM PST by Waco
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To: governsleastgovernsbest

She's a real piece of work. Last night O'Reilly dismantled her in a quiet, relentless, and polite manner. Frankly, I missed the shouting, but she made a complete fool of herself anyway.


34 posted on 11/11/2005 5:11:45 AM PST by hershey
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To: Miss Marple
I thought she could have been a LOT harder.

I agree ... I was hoping John Gibson was going to do the interview

I watch the interview on O'Reilly last night ... Mapes is not a very good liar .. I lost count on how many times she said "I don't know"

35 posted on 11/11/2005 5:14:07 AM PST by Mo1
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To: governsleastgovernsbest
It's been quite the eyeopener to hear her snivelling. She has inadvertently revealed the mantra of the media.

We don't have to prove our 'facts'.

It's up to the people to disprove them.

She complains about the power of the internet while ignoring the power that the MSM has over the dissemination of news, mostly phony news.

36 posted on 11/11/2005 5:14:31 AM PST by OldFriend (The Dems enABLEd DANGER and 3,000 Americans died.)
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To: YOUGOTIT

In one of his lucid moments last night, Savage reminded me of something important. Murdoch has his entire media/entertainment empire to think about and he doesn't want to rattle the house of cards that feeds him too violently. Fox's moderacy is all about the benjamins, as is everything else.


37 posted on 11/11/2005 5:14:37 AM PST by Flavius Josephus (Hello Free Republic.)
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To: QwertyKPH
As Rush has explained, an alternate universe! IMHO - Mary Mapes is not delusional, but rather she’s a crafty and calculating shyster.

Once again, Rush seems to be on to something. Watching her this morning I felt Mapes was doing her best to appear reasonable - keeping her Bush-hatred and knowledge of her own fraud buried beneath the surface.

38 posted on 11/11/2005 5:14:51 AM PST by governsleastgovernsbest (read my posts on Today show bias at www.newsbusters.org)
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To: happinesswithoutpeace
For now the media is aligned against Mapes because she brought discredit to them.

It's all about how they are the good media hacks and she's the bad one!

LOL...nice try, but no cigar.

39 posted on 11/11/2005 5:15:52 AM PST by OldFriend (The Dems enABLEd DANGER and 3,000 Americans died.)
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To: governsleastgovernsbest

But, authentication is your JOB, Mary!


40 posted on 11/11/2005 5:16:21 AM PST by airborne (Al-Queda can recruit on college campuses but the US military can't!)
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