Why the Islamists may well succeed

Jewish World Review ^ | 11-10-05 | Jack Kelly

[sport]

The majority of people over here[the U.S.]will never understand what is happening. They get their "news", propganda actually, and and are indoctrineated on how to think by the alphabeth news organizations.They will stand docilly by and blame President Bush even if he is long in his grave. It is the minority in the U. S. that realizes what is actually happening.

[Uncle Vlad]

Are you implying that Don Henley is the leading Holy Warrior in these riots?

Oh no, he's just providing the irony.

[jpsb]

"Non-European immigrants have been segregated into walled ghettos "

Bull

[xJones]

I'm interested in knowing their rationale behind their partition part.

There is no rationale, it's the demands of some thugs knowing that threatening more violence will scare the hell out of the French government. They've got Chirac/de Villepine over the proverbial barrel. De Villepine is already promising 20,000 jobs (the French unions will love that), a new non-discrimination bureau, and umpteen gazillion Euros for the Muslims to basically do anything they want with.

The world has watched in amazement as the French government continues to let these riots go on, and only making a few hundred arrests, deporting 120 foreigners, and maybe giving 2 to 4 month jail sentences to the rest.

BTW, I highly recomomend today's Mark Stein thread: Stein.

"Now go back to that bland statistic you hear a lot these days: ‘about 10 per cent of France’s population is Muslim’. Give or take a million here, a million there, that’s broadly correct, as far as it goes. But the population spread isn’t even. And when it comes to those living in France aged 20 and under, about 30 per cent are said to be Muslim and in the major urban centres about 45 per cent. If it came down to street-by-street fighting, as Michel Gurfinkiel, the editor of Valeurs Actuelles, points out, ‘the combatant ratio in any ethnic war may thus be one to one’ — already, right now, in 2005."

[Steve_Seattle]

"The overwhelming majority live in concrete ghettoes like Clichy sus Bois, which the police as well as ordinary Frenchmen tend to treat as "no go" areas. The result is these ghettoes are largely under the control of criminal gangs and religious extremists."

The next step of appeasement will be to grant quasi-autonomy to these Muslim-dominated regions, to give the current state of affairs a legal sanction. If this happens, which I think quite likely, it will be the beginning of the end of France as we know it.

[Steve_Seattle]

What are these "associations" I keep hearing about, that will be receiving money from the French government?

[Steve_Seattle]

"they have come to view themselves as quasi-independent micro-states - and are now demanding formal recognition thereof, and (bizzarely) getting it."

I don't think it's quite gotten to that point, but I agree that is probably the next step. These are still "de facto" micro-states with no legal status, but I expect the day is not far off when the Muslims will demand formal and legal recognition of quasi-autonomous Muslim zones.

[ctdonath2]

YEAH? so, what is your point?

Lose the attitude. I didn't agree with their demands for independence, I simply observed that they are & summarized how they got there.

[ctdonath2]

What bull? Simple fact is that those "north African" immigrants & offspring are largely segregated (much by their own choice) into walled ghettos. You have different facts?

[Ghost of Philip Marlowe]

But what most people don't see is this: you and I, middle, conservative America are the common enemy. The Leftist forces in America and Europe have joined with their enemy, the hyper-religious, in order to trounce middle America. This the old "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" scenario and you and I are the enemy to both of these, the Marxists and the Islamofascists. They both see themselves as being the victor and eventually crushing the other.

[jpsb]

Yes, it is my understanding that they are segregated buy thier own choice, and the communities are not walled in. You make it sound like it is French poicy to force muslim immigrates to live in near prison/concentration camp like conditions. That is not thbe case.

[attiladhun2]

Don't be so sure. There are already hints that the French government is considering the establishment of semi-autonomous enclaves run by Muslim elders. Actually, it is essentially already the case. Once this policy has become official, the Islamic clerics will likely demand that religious practice become policy all over the nation. For example, French restaurants and shops would have to close during daylight hours during Ramadan. That would make France a protected nation under Islamic law, and would cause them to become immune from jihadist activity (i.e., terrorism). Whether the French people accept such an arrangement remains to be seen. I think the elites in that country would welcome such an arrangement. Why should the sons of Vichy act any different than the father?

[attiladhun2]

"The overwhelming majority live in concrete ghettoes like Clichy sus Bois, which the police as well as ordinary Frenchmen tend to treat as "no go" areas. The result is these ghettoes are largely under the control of criminal gangs and religious extremists."
In other words, little Jihadistans have been established that are not only a threat to France and Europe, but to the United States and the rest of the world, as well. Quasi-autonmous Jihadistans would make France complicit in the terrorism that would surely be exported from there.

[ma bell]

you observed that it is French policy to put them into segrated sections of the city.

[ctdonath2]

I didn't say that.
Don't read what isn't there.

[ctdonath2]

I'll agree the "and" is ambiguous about whether the closing noun applies to both verbs or only the last verb.

Whether it is Frecnch policy is also ambiguous.

[jpsb]

Ok, I must have misunderstook you. My bad.