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Why the Islamists may well succeed
Jewish World Review ^ | 11-10-05 | Jack Kelly

Posted on 11/10/2005 4:40:11 AM PST by SJackson

As the French intifada spreads into its second week and across the country, the French government has a dilemma. To whom does it surrender?

French Prime Minister Dominique de Villepin — whose name may one day be as synonymous with appeasement as Petain's is with collaboration — would like to make a deal.

His problem is finding Muslim "community leaders" who can stop the rioting. In communities where law and order are absent, it is thugs with guns who are in charge, not the voices of moderation, such as they are.

The rioting began Oct. 27th in the Paris suburb of Clichy sus Bois when two Muslim teenagers sought to hide from police in an electric power substation and accidentally electrocuted themselves. It has since spread to other Paris suburbs, to Paris itself, and now to dozens of other cities.

The remarkable thing about the spark that set off the rioting is that there were police in Clichy sus Bois for the youths to flee from. About ten percent of France's population are Muslims. The overwhelming majority live in concrete ghettoes like Clichy sus Bois, which the police as well as ordinary Frenchmen tend to treat as "no go" areas.

The result is these ghettoes are largely under the control of criminal gangs and religious extremists.

The news media have gone to considerable lengths to avoid mentioning the rioters are mostly Muslim, or to report that there is an anti-Western component to the violence. The rioters typically have been described as "French youths" who are upset by high unemployment and racial discrimination.


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TOPICS: Editorial; Foreign Affairs
KEYWORDS: france; insurgency; intifada; jihad; parisintifada; parisriots; quagmire; surrender; terrorism; uprising
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1 posted on 11/10/2005 4:40:11 AM PST by SJackson
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To: SJackson
In communities where law and order are absent, it is thugs with guns who are in charge
ahah! guns! I guess France doesn't have enough gun control! Let's send them some of our Gun Control Exports to clear up the problem.
2 posted on 11/10/2005 4:45:07 AM PST by samtheman
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To: SJackson

bump


3 posted on 11/10/2005 4:49:21 AM PST by VOA
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To: dennisw; Cachelot; Yehuda; Nix 2; veronica; Catspaw; knighthawk; Alouette; Optimist; weikel; ...
If you'd like to be on this middle east/political ping list, please FR mail me.

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4 posted on 11/10/2005 4:49:56 AM PST by SJackson (People have learned from Gaza that resistance succeeds, not smart negotiators., Hassem Darwish)
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To: SJackson

Of course they are going to win. Westerners dont care.


5 posted on 11/10/2005 4:52:19 AM PST by Chickensoup (Turk...turk...turk....turk....turk...turkey!!!!!!)
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To: samtheman

They're pickin' up the prisoners
And puttin em in a pen
And all she wants to do is dance, dance
Rebels been rebels
Since I don't know when
And all she wants to do is dance
Molotov cocktail the local drink
And all she wants to do is dance, dance
They mix 'em up right
In the kitchen sink
And all she wants to do is dance
Crazy people walkin round with blood in their eyes
And all she wants to do is dance, dance, dance
Wild-eyed pistols wavers who ain't afraid to die
And all she wants to do is dance
And make romance
She can't feel the heat
Comin off the street
She wants to party
She wants to get down
All she wants to do is
All she wants to do is dance
Well the government bugged the men's room
In the local disco lounge
And all she wants to do is dance, dance
To keep the boys from sellin
All the weapons they could scrounge
And all she wants to do is dance
But that don't keep the boys from makin a buck or two
And all she wants to do is dance, dance
The still can sell the army
All the drugs that they can do
And all she wants to do is
All she wants to do is dance
And make romance
Well we barely make the airport
For the test plane out
As we taxied down the runway
I could hear the people shout
The said, "don't come back here Yankee"
But if I ever do
I'll bring more money
Cause all she wants to do is dance
And make romance
Never mind the heat
Comin off the street
She wants to party
She wants to get down
All she wants to do is
All she wants to do is dance
And make romance
All she wants to do is dance


6 posted on 11/10/2005 4:56:31 AM PST by Uncle Vlad
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To: SJackson
the French government has a dilemma. To whom does it surrender?

Boy I bet the Frenchy's just pucker real good everytime they read a distant rag that suggest they surrender...lol...

'Hey!! y'all take your alum this morning??' ...lol...

7 posted on 11/10/2005 4:57:50 AM PST by sit-rep (If you acquire, hit it again to verify...)
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To: SJackson

Unfortunately, it will have to go on a lot longer than it has before people understand and take it seriously. Look at our own 9/11. We have forgotten. The videos of planes flying into the Towers were quickly squelched, no videos of the beheadings, can't call a terrorist a terrorist, Sadam, who among other things, fought and invaded his neighbors, killed his own people, tried to develop nuclear weapons, gassed the undesireable members of his society, tried to assassinate a former President, is slowly being transformed into a man wrongly and illegally removed from his country, etc. etc. The list goes on and on and will continue to grow. We are so busy trying to ignore it away.


8 posted on 11/10/2005 5:58:40 AM PST by GBA
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To: SJackson
not unlike the Republicans being lucky their opponents are the democrats the west is lucky that their opponents are the most moronic people on Earth who have a habit of overplaying their hands at the worst possible time.
9 posted on 11/10/2005 5:59:45 AM PST by CzarNicky (The problem with bad ideas is that they seemed like good ideas at the time.)
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To: SJackson
Most of the rioters are petty criminals. But others seek de jure recognition of a de facto partition of France that's been under way for some time.

"Some are even calling for areas where Muslims form a majority of the population to be reorganized on the basis of the millet system of the Ottoman Empire," wrote Amir Taheri, who lives in Paris. "Each religious community (millet) would enjoy the right to organize its social, cultural and educational life in accordance with its religious beliefs.

And the author believes that the French government may well capitulate to these Muslim demands, because at least the Muslims believe in something and most French don't believe in anything.

All of a suddent, French surrender jokes aren't funny anymore. IF they could accept little Islamic 'states within the state', this generation will have done far worse than the Vichy generation. They will be handing over parts of France, bit by bit. Then it would be just a matter of time watching the very fecund Muslims take more and more bits of France. And the really insane part of it is that the French would be expected to keep feeding and supplying all the material needs of the breeder Muslims whose offspring will then take more of their land!

Criminy, surely even the French aren't that spineless! They'd be surrendering to their national parasites, who will eventually destroy them.

10 posted on 11/10/2005 6:11:53 AM PST by xJones
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To: Uncle Vlad

Are you implying that Don Henley is the leading Holy Warrior in these riots?


11 posted on 11/10/2005 6:53:27 AM PST by ma bell ("Take me to the Brig. I want to see the "real Marines". Major General Chesty Puller, USMC)
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To: SJackson
the French government has a dilemma. To whom does it surrender?

ROTFLMAO!!!!!!!

12 posted on 11/10/2005 6:53:36 AM PST by Chairman_December_19th_Society (Conservatives--The Workforce of America; Liberals--The Whineforce of America)
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To: SJackson
Why the Islamists may well succeed

It's not whether the Islamists will succeed. It is whether the West will fail. France has the ability to squash this uprising like a bug. But it apparently doesn't have the will.

13 posted on 11/10/2005 6:55:15 AM PST by dirtboy (Drool overflowed my buffer...)
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To: sit-rep

Maybe the German ambassador could officiate as the French have a prior experience with them.


14 posted on 11/10/2005 6:56:19 AM PST by sheik yerbouty ( Make America and the world a jihad free zone!)
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To: xJones
partition? what partition in their demands has any legitimacy? The same legitimacy the bosnian muslims and albanians claiming they are rightous and deserving of their own parcels of land such as all of BiH and Kosovo?

I'm interested in knowing their rationale behind their partition part.

15 posted on 11/10/2005 6:57:03 AM PST by ma bell ("Take me to the Brig. I want to see the "real Marines". Major General Chesty Puller, USMC)
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To: dirtboy

The media is on the side of the rioting muslims, masquerading around as "young teenagers". well, yeah, they are young. Young enough to lock and load and pull the trigger, make IED/s etc... So, the media will champion their cause till the media itself is being directly targeted. Then, the truth will seep out.


16 posted on 11/10/2005 6:58:57 AM PST by ma bell ("Take me to the Brig. I want to see the "real Marines". Major General Chesty Puller, USMC)
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To: SJackson
...the principal tactic of the rioters has been to torch cars, along with nursery schools and the occasional police station.

A commenter on the Web log "Belmont Club" thinks this focus is a clever form of brinkmanship. Car burning is spectacular, but not serious enough to provoke lethal force, especially from a French government loathe to use it.

An awful lot of people do not understand this tactic, which is being used far more widely than most realize. Strain the limits, but do not break them - this baffles upstanding opponents who expect a fair knock-down fight.

17 posted on 11/10/2005 7:08:06 AM PST by ctdonath2
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To: xJones
...this generation will have done far worse than the Vichy generation. They will be handing over parts of France, bit by bit.

Multiply so. They've already handed control over to the European Union.

18 posted on 11/10/2005 7:11:51 AM PST by ctdonath2
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To: ma bell
what partition in their demands has any legitimacy?

Non-European immigrants have been segregated into walled ghettos and neglected by French authorities. These areas have been isolated enough, for long enough, with enough neglect (to wit: defacto autonomy) that they have come to view themselves as quasi-independent micro-states - and are now demanding formal recognition thereof, and (bizzarely) getting it.

19 posted on 11/10/2005 7:18:00 AM PST by ctdonath2
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To: ctdonath2
YEAH? so, what is your point? These immigrants chose to live in France and they have to accept the French way and culture. The muslims have their own agenda and that is to always fight for an islamic regime wherever they multiply. Hence, their large families. If they can't fight and win, they will out-birth their adopted nations residents.

It is in their islamic culture to create hostility to the nonbelievers, the infidals. It is written in their Koran. Try reading it sometime as it is also a political doctrine they preach and terrorize others with.

20 posted on 11/10/2005 7:22:40 AM PST by ma bell ("Take me to the Brig. I want to see the "real Marines". Major General Chesty Puller, USMC)
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