Posted on 11/09/2005 4:31:43 PM PST by Aussie Dasher
(AP) Revisiting a topic that exposed Kansas to nationwide ridicule six years ago, the state Board of Education approved science standards for public schools Tuesday that cast doubt on the theory of evolution.
The board's 6-4 vote, expected for months, was a victory for intelligent design advocates who helped draft the standards. Intelligent design holds that the universe is so complex that it must have been created by a higher power.
Critics of the proposed language charged that it was an attempt to inject creationism into public schools in violation of the separation between church and state.
The board's vote is likely to heap fresh national criticism on Kansas and cause many scientists to see the state as backward. Current state standards treat evolution as well-established — a view also held by national science groups
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Well that is what darwinism does afterall.
And I am not asking survival rate, not at all. If I wanted to know survival rate I would have asked survival rate. Now do the math.
I forgot to mention that after a cataclysmic event, war famine, floods etc. Mankind usually has a massive growth spurt to compensate.
Your debating technique is to advance a straw man and knock it down. I don't easily fall for those kinds of tricks.
In fact, the reproduction rate would have to "on average" be small to fit the formula. This is easily explained by the obvious fact that many people die before reproducing, especially in the past. Duh.
If you want to have a reasonable hope of planting seeds of doubt you will have to advance reasoned arguments, not beat around the bush or have your opponent supply them for you, like I just did.
Well you sure are smart arent you? How about you provide some proof that in fact most people died before reproduction age. Otherwise you are advancing another darwinian strawman,as you would put it.
Methinks you are the one bereft of an argument if you cannot answer a simple question. I would also like to ask for you to point at one time of known history that has a negative population growth, surely you can do that one small thing.
To All.
Citizens have a fundamental right to freedom of conscience! Evolution/Intelligent Design/Creationism is merely one example among hundreds in which government tramples freedom of conscience and therefore should never be in the business of education.
Evolution, even though a science, has both political and religious, non-neutral consequences for the children. Why? Because it concerns the origin of human life.
Re: Political consequences
If humans are here on earth entirely because of natural causes, and teachers in powerful positions of influence neglect to mention a Creator, or are forced to address a Creator, then there are political consequences.
Our Declaration of Independence states that our rights as humans are an endowment of a Creator. If there is no Creator then the only conclusion is that our human rights are creations of people and are granted to us by government. BIG difference! With political consequences. However, there are many citizens who do not believe in a Creator and, indeed, wish to have their children taught that humans determine and government institutions grant rights.
Regarding religious consequences:
It is HIGHLY offensive to many parents in many cultural traditions to surgically excise the mention of God as it regards the origin of life. And NO!...It is not OK with these parents for the concept of a Creator to be neglected in the classroom and only addressed at home. Culture and religious traditions can not be dissected by teachers in position of power and influence in this manner without also dissecting the child's soul.
Yet,,,,on the other hand, there are those parents whose religious traditions and culture are hostile to any belief in a Creator. For them, to have powerful and influential teachers proposing Intelligent Design or Creationism is equally offensive.
There is absolutely no possible way, that any government school can resolve these religious and political tensions without seriously violating and trampling the freedom of conscience of large segments of the population. The school WILL trample the First Amendment Rights of at least some. It is wrong for any government school to trample the First Amendment rights of even one child or one family.
Then we have the problem of coercion. Government schools are NOT voluntary for those who have no alternative. Armed police, social workers, and courts will use the threats of prison and foster care to FORCE attendance if the child or parent is resistant.
Also.....government schools are funded through taxes that are NOT voluntary. The government can and WILL sell at auction the property of those who refuse to fund the approved government school political, religious, non-religious, or anti-religious agenda ( evolution is merely one example) of the government school.
Finally,,,,NO government school can be equally respectful of every political, cultural, or religious tradition of every citizen who is FORCED to attend the school. IT IS IMPOSSIBLE!
Therefore....Government schools are grossly unconstitutional on both the federal and state levels.
The following is an excellent essay: http://www.newswithviews.com/Stuter/stuter9.htm
Is Evolution, Intelligent Design, or Creation Science important enough to threaten parents with armed police action, foster care placement, or even prison if they resist the demands of any of those demanding their particular education worldview?
Is Evolution, Intelligent Design, or Creation important enough that you would allow the supporters of any of these topics to threaten other citizens who resist paying for it, with the sheriff's auction of their home or business, or even prison?
That is what government schools ARE. They are an assault on the freedom of conscience. They rip and tear at the most fundamental core cultural and traditional beliefs of many.
Any government powerful enough to shove evolution down the throats of resistant children is powerful enough to force intelligent design or creationism down other people's children's throats too!
The biggest political bully wins! The Prize? .....Yes, the hearts and minds of the next generation of voters, professors, journalists, judges, religious leaders, artists, writers, and community leaders of all types.
I forgot to add, haha reasoned argument my ass, you have yet to provide one reasoned argument or speck of truth. Other than assumption.
Free as a Breeze,
Are you willing to use police force and threats of foster care to force your educational worldview on other people's children?
Are you willing to threaten the sheriff's auction of homes and business to force others to pay for your educational philosophy?
I have the same question for aft-lizard, as well.
Well said!
Frauds. Most creationists don't even believe in those any more.
Thats not part of the discussion. I of course respect any and all views and thinks there is room enough for discussion. The argument from the evo-nazis is that there is no discussion.
Okay. They're not fabrications. None of them.
Care to try again?
Everything is designed for a purpose.
By whom?
God. But God could be dead. Just ask Behe.
If the supporters of iIntelligent design can just remind people that Einstein believed in intelligent design.
Lying for Jesus again? I've heard that's a True ChristianÒ no-no.
It doesnt matter, the evos would tell god himself he is wrong. Oh wait they are already doing that....
Einstein did not believe in a personal god, that is to say the God of the Bible. However he did believe in a certainly order in nature itself, that behind accidents(appearances) there is "subtance" so to speak. This is why he was so uncomfortable with quantum theory and why he tried to formulate a more general field theory.
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