FAR-RIGHT IN GERMANY WANTS FOREIGNERS PUT IN CAMPS AND EXPELLED

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[NativeNewYorker]

Berlin (dpa) - A far-right party in Germany said Wednesday that foreigners living in the country should be put into ``collection camps'' and then expelled if French-style violence breaks out.

The National Democratic Party of Germany (NPD), which last year won 9.2 per cent of the vote in Saxony state and has 12 seats in the regional parliament, called for laws aimed at reducing the population of resident foreigners.

Germany has about 7.3 million foreigners who comprise some 9 per cent of the total population.

``If riots are organised like in France then collection camps and vigilantes must be organised in time to protect life and property,'' said the NPD.

[FunkyChicken]

How innocent are Muslims that are commanded by the Koran and have institutionalized the concept of jihad - struggle/war - against all non-Islamic nations?

[FunkyChicken]

Sometimes I visualize it as a circle rather than a spectrum, where the furthest radical leftists, and the furthest radical rightists are really not far apart, not far at all.

You are right, Ceasar. Any time you go to extremes they usually lead to death and destruction or enslavement.

Extremes are easy, but balance is the most difficult. What makes Conservatives stand out against both sides is their desire for balance.

FC

[MozarkDawg]

c) Enacting necessary WARTIME measures, that are later determined to be unconstitution, does not make it "wrong." It was not constitutional, but it was the wise and prudent thing to do.

I beg to differ. CITIZENS of the United States of America were rounded up, placed into camps and had their property confiscated, what they hadn't managed to sell for ridiculously underpriced rate. They were DENIED their CONSTITUTIONAL rights simply because they happened to be persons of Japanese descent, never exhibited any kind of threat to the security of this country whatsoever.

Paranoia during wartime is simply no excuse for this kind of thing.

[FunkyChicken]

The last time the far right in Germany set up 'collection camps' it didn't end well

That was the far left.

Stalin (a Lefty) did the same and ended up murdering 65 million people within the former USSR.

FC

[FunkyChicken]

Here in the US that holds true,but in Germany or Europe it equals right.


Wow! Right is Left and Left is Right. How much more confusing can it get for those "Enlightened" Euros.

FC

[WildHorseCrash]

p.s. We were LOSING the war in the Pacific for quite some time after Pearl Harbor.

Oh, I know. I've been studying the war for about 20 years now. Actually, although they didn't know it, the US was on the long road to victory when the Doolittle raid bombed Tokyo, the Battle of the Coral Sea took place and Naval Intelligence determined that "AF" in the Japanese code meant Midway. Of course, the Allies didn't know it at the time, and it was a LOOOONG road...

[WildHorseCrash]

How innocent are Muslims that are commanded by the Koran and have institutionalized the concept of jihad - struggle/war - against all non-Islamic nations?

Unless they've actually done something in furtherance of this command, they are as innocent as you are.

[Mrs.Nooseman]

I am not sure how to explain this and why it is that way.

Europeans just have a different view of things then Americans do.

[FunkyChicken]

And what if we had lost WWII to the Japaneses due to the Japanese spies and saboteurs here on our land had they not been interned?

Go back and read how vicious the Japanese were in the rape of Nanking and how they treated other Asian countries on their quest for world domination (at least the Asian part) during the first half of the 20th century. American POWs were skinned alive by the Japanese. They also had medical experiments done on them by the Japanese.

You have to do what you have to do to win a war and that sometimes means restricting the freedoms. Once the war is over you can set everything back to normal. But extreme circumstances require extreme measures to deal with those circumstances effectively.

If the US government had placed the rights of American citizens over the war effort there is no doubt we would have lost.

[Plutarch]

The Political Principles of the National Democratic Party of Germany (NPD)

The focus of National Democratic economic policy should be on the creation of an effective synthesis of a free-market, private enterprise oriented economy, bound to regulations insuring the social responsibility of economic practice. For this reason, the NPD supports the idea of free and socially responsible entrepreneurs. But it is the state, finally, which must insure that the economy is organized in such a way as to benefit the entirety of its people.

These are no free market, small government conservatives.

[Sometimes A River]

Check this out:

"Paris - Interior minister Nicolas Sarkozy on Wednesday issued orders for non-French rioters convicted in the wave of urban violence to be deported - a measure directed at youths of Arab and African background living in the high-immigrant neighbourhoods involved in the unrest.

Sarkozy told prefects, or regional governors, to apply the order to foreigners including those who have valid French residency visas.

He told parliament that "120 foreigners, not all of whom are here illegally, have been convicted" of taking part in the nightly rampages that have occurred since October 27.

"I have asked the prefects to deport them from our national territory without delay, including those who have a residency visa," he said.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1518797/posts

[Buffettfan]

Why waste money on concentration camps? Just deport them and be done with it. We should do the same here and also require a loyalty oath.

[FunkyChicken]

Let's see 9/11. El Al ticket counter at LAX. John MUHAMMED and Lee Malvo (both Muslims). Burning of Paristine and France, Denmark, and parts Germany.

I have a friend who once worked with an Azerbajani who immigrated to this country. As this Azerbajani grew up the Muslim community move in with a small amount of people. They were friendly and cordial in those small numbers. As their numbers grew they became more and more hostile and aggressive. At a certain point in the Muslim growth demographic they started rioting, burning down buildings and cars, and forcing conversions and murder those that refused. His family literally ran down the street from the Muslim mob on foot to get away from them. Some of his family members couldn't run fast enough and their fate is unknown.

There are currently 22 conflicts in the world in which 100% of them all involve Muslims. I guess with the burning of Europe it can now be 23. All these Muslims are engaged in Jihad against the infidels. You are an infidel and they look forward to you converting or murdering you and/or your descendants.

FC

[FunkyChicken]

Maybe they Muslims would want you as a Dhimmi instead to be a vocal supporter of the Dhimmi rights of infidels which are subservient to the rights of Muslims. I could definitely see you promoting Dhimmitude.

Bat Yeor has a great book to start your learning. It's called "The Decline of Eastern Christianity und Islam: From Jihad to Dhimmitude".

[WildHorseCrash]

And what if we had lost WWII to the Japaneses due to the Japanese spies and saboteurs here on our land had they not been interned?

First, it isn't a zero sum game. It was not -- either put them in camps or don't catch spies and saboteurs. There has never been any evidence that evacuating the Japanese-Americans did anything that proper and legal investigation could not have done.

And that's even assuming that spies and saboteurs could have been sufficient to turn the tide in the war. That is ridiculous assertion. Yamamoto was right. Japan could hope for, at most, one year. Once the industrial might of the US got up to speed, the end was inevitable.

Go back and read how vicious the Japanese were in the rape of Nanking and how they treated other Asian countries on their quest for world domination (at least the Asian part) during the first half of the 20th century. American POWs were skinned alive by the Japanese. They also had medical experiments done on them by the Japanese.

Yeah, I know all about it. I recommend Iris Chang's book. The Japanese culture was a vicious, brutal one which needed to be pulled out by the root. Hirohito should have been hung, and had his ashes buried in a dung heap or tossed out to sea. But the actions you mentioned were the actions of Japanese, not innocent Americans of Japanese descent.

You have to do what you have to do to win a war and that sometimes means restricting the freedoms. Once the war is over you can set everything back to normal. But extreme circumstances require extreme measures to deal with those circumstances effectively.

If you think that there are no limits to Governmental power in times of crisis, then we disagree. It is not okay to use the excuse of a war or national crisis to give the Government carte blanche to decide what, if any, of the inalienable rights to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness actually apply to innocent people. I mean, it would have been effective to have simply murdered every innocent person of Japanese dissent, too. Would you have supported that? After all, you gotta do what you gotta do, right? A Jap is a Jap is a Jap, right??

If the US government had placed the rights of American citizens over the war effort there is no doubt we would have lost.

What a bunch of baloney. You simply cannot show that what they did, in any way, aided the war effort in a manner that a legal investigation would not have. Part of what made America successful in its fight was the fact that it valued the rights of American citizens, even in times of war. And, in fact, the relocations hindered the war effort; it wasted and misallocated resources and handed Japan a propaganda victory.

[Bon mots]

Hmmmmmm...

[LS]

Sorry, don't agree, and in wartime, no court would either. There is "reasonable doubt" that a person may commit a violent crime in wartime, that supercedes constitutional protections. The first rule in wartime is to survive.

[LS]

Not gonna work. Critics say EXACTLY the same thing of various Christian sects (Seventh Day Adventists, Mormons). In short order, you would be kicked out of your own country. Won't happen on my watch.

[LS]

Exactly. I went to school at UofCalifornia Santa Barbara, in classrooms that at one time were PILLBOXES with guns facing to the sea to repel a Japanese attack. It is entirely prudent and necessary to remove potentially dangerous populations from a potential war zone until they can be cleared.