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To: FunkyChicken
And what if we had lost WWII to the Japaneses due to the Japanese spies and saboteurs here on our land had they not been interned?

First, it isn't a zero sum game. It was not -- either put them in camps or don't catch spies and saboteurs. There has never been any evidence that evacuating the Japanese-Americans did anything that proper and legal investigation could not have done.

And that's even assuming that spies and saboteurs could have been sufficient to turn the tide in the war. That is ridiculous assertion. Yamamoto was right. Japan could hope for, at most, one year. Once the industrial might of the US got up to speed, the end was inevitable.

Go back and read how vicious the Japanese were in the rape of Nanking and how they treated other Asian countries on their quest for world domination (at least the Asian part) during the first half of the 20th century. American POWs were skinned alive by the Japanese. They also had medical experiments done on them by the Japanese.

Yeah, I know all about it. I recommend Iris Chang's book. The Japanese culture was a vicious, brutal one which needed to be pulled out by the root. Hirohito should have been hung, and had his ashes buried in a dung heap or tossed out to sea. But the actions you mentioned were the actions of Japanese, not innocent Americans of Japanese descent.

You have to do what you have to do to win a war and that sometimes means restricting the freedoms. Once the war is over you can set everything back to normal. But extreme circumstances require extreme measures to deal with those circumstances effectively.

If you think that there are no limits to Governmental power in times of crisis, then we disagree. It is not okay to use the excuse of a war or national crisis to give the Government carte blanche to decide what, if any, of the inalienable rights to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness actually apply to innocent people. I mean, it would have been effective to have simply murdered every innocent person of Japanese dissent, too. Would you have supported that? After all, you gotta do what you gotta do, right? A Jap is a Jap is a Jap, right??

If the US government had placed the rights of American citizens over the war effort there is no doubt we would have lost.

What a bunch of baloney. You simply cannot show that what they did, in any way, aided the war effort in a manner that a legal investigation would not have. Part of what made America successful in its fight was the fact that it valued the rights of American citizens, even in times of war. And, in fact, the relocations hindered the war effort; it wasted and misallocated resources and handed Japan a propaganda victory.

96 posted on 11/09/2005 9:43:05 AM PST by WildHorseCrash
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Hmmmmmm...

97 posted on 11/09/2005 9:47:53 AM PST by Bon mots
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To: WildHorseCrash

Do you understand what happens foreign nationals or those that are naturalized citizens in other countries and the country they are in is at war with the country they are from? Much worse than getting interned and having your property confiscated. By and large our treatment of the Japanese in this country on the West during WWII was a cakewalk compared to any other nation in how they have treated their foreigners (citizens or not) during their times of war. Go check out what other countries have done.

If the Feds had done their investigations by the book how long do you think that would have taken? Probably not until the war was over. The Leftist attorneys would have had a field day appealing and re-appealing their convictions if the Feds did get any.

Do you think that it's not okay to suspend Habeus Corpus during war? Maybe the rules never change during times of danger for you. If a guy broke into your house whom intended to murder you and rob your home would you first respect his right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness by letting him take your life and your property? Would you not take drastic and draconian actions to stop this outlaw? What if you had a wife that stepped in between you and the outlaw and had done that? Would you push her aside, and if necessary knock her out with a punch or tie her up, in order to save her life, your life, your children's life, your home, car and other worldly belongings?

I don't think the government should ever have carte blanche but you do what you have to do in order to win. I whole-heartedly believe in individual liberty and I never want to see if taken away. Our government did what it had to do to win and they didn't murder dissenting or interned Japs/Nips (citizens or foreign nationals). They took the prudent, balanced road, not the extreme road. These Japs did not reveal who the saboteurs or spies were but our intel agencies knew they existed within the Japanese communities on the West Coast. If the Japs had done this then the internment would not have occurred. If the Muslims in this country would do the same then we will not have to do it in the future. We can't do it now because the Leftist ACLU and associated Leftist organs are protecting them. They both want to take away your liberty, your life (if you don't agree with them), and your pursuit of happiness.


113 posted on 11/09/2005 10:11:19 AM PST by FunkyChicken
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To: WildHorseCrash

"Yeah, I know all about it. I recommend Iris Chang's book."

Now it's time to read Michelle Malkin's book "In Defense of Internment: The Case for 'Racial Profiling' in World War II and the War on Terror"

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0895260514/qid=1131565381/sr=8-2/ref=pd_bbs_2/102-9072403-2533700?v=glance&s=books&n=507846


197 posted on 11/09/2005 11:43:26 AM PST by dervish (no excuses)
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