And now you're gone again. lol
Posted on 11/09/2005 7:02:46 AM PST by NativeNewYorker
Berlin (dpa) - A far-right party in Germany said Wednesday that foreigners living in the country should be put into ``collection camps'' and then expelled if French-style violence breaks out.
The National Democratic Party of Germany (NPD), which last year won 9.2 per cent of the vote in Saxony state and has 12 seats in the regional parliament, called for laws aimed at reducing the population of resident foreigners.
Germany has about 7.3 million foreigners who comprise some 9 per cent of the total population.
``If riots are organised like in France then collection camps and vigilantes must be organised in time to protect life and property,'' said the NPD.
That would depend on the group or the state in question. Give me an example, and I'll get back to you.
You agree that we should not be tolerant of those that seek our destruction, but you dodge my question with a sophist argument of freedom of relgion.
You really love the word "sophistry," yet you don't really understand its meaning.
Do you believe in freedom of relgion for those whose religion it is to destroy us?
Yes. People are free to believe anything, so long as they follow the law.
And Muslims are only peaceful and law-abiding until their numbers gain strength in sufficient quantities to start a jihad with physical acts of murder, arson, rape, etc.
(Shrug) America has an armed populace. Any such rioters would not do well in this country.
You are insinuating that I am for wife beating which can infer that I am a wife beater.
Oh, for goodness' sake. It is a rhetorical device. Stop being deliberately obtuse.
In DC? Isn't that where they have lots of gun control which Leftists like you love?
Yes, we have an unconstitutional gun control law in DC. What's your point?
You, the Republican Party, and Bush can't admit that Islam is at war with the US and the West.
If the GOP is not to your liking, you are free to join some other political party, or start your own.
As for the rest of your ramblng discourse on everything wrong with America, I invite you to move out into the hills and wait for the end, if you think things are so bad. Do the rest of us a favor.
Wahhabism was invented by Muhammad ibn Abd al-Wahhab in the 18th Century.
Alex,
I can judge people individually. My mom almost married a Persian but backed out at the last minute when I was 5 years old. He was secular and stayed that way even after the Shah fell in 1979. I like him a lot and will always remember him that way. But Persians were first Zoroastrians and later became Islamized by force of course.
HaShem (G-d) commands us in Sefer Vayikra (Leviticus) to judge our fellow man, but judge him with the benefit of the doubt. If you had a next door neighbor that you caught in the middle of the night taking your stereo and said he was only "borrowing" it. How much benefit of the doubt could you give him? You have to look at the individual and the circumstances.
Just as we have the power to judge our fellow man with the benefit of the doubt so can we with a culture/religion/belief/philosophy/way of life.
You say that religions promote a set of values, morals, principals, ethics and laws with parables and stories to justify them. What is the purpose of those values, morals, etc.? To teach humanity to learn to give to each other in unconditional and condition ways of respect and kindnes that promote life, liberty, happines, peace, wealth creation, good will, brotherhood, unity. Judaism does this and so does Christianity. Even the secular philosophy of Buddhism attempts this. And the people that carry these instructions out for the most part live peaceful lives even to present day. Judaism had to use warfare in order to remove the pagan elements from the land in order to allow Judaism to grow. Now Jews do warfare through argument of ideas like here on this forum. Christianity has used warfare for defense against the Muslims to a great extent and also to expand its borders. But no more physical warfare for them unless it is in defense with more rules on what you can't do which are based on the rules of warefare from Judaism.
What is a cult? The definition I found at www.yourdictionary.com is:
"A religion or religious sect generally considered to be extremist or false, with its followers often living in an unconventional manner under the guidance of an authoritarian, charismatic leader."
http://www.yourdictionary.com/ahd/c/c0799700.html
Did Islam have a charismatic leader? Yes. Muhammed was illiterate but charismatic. Did he promote an idea that promotes spreading Islam at any cost by false words, murder, rape, arson, terror, and pillaging? Yes. He did these things and his followers to present day continue to do the same. Has Islam changed? No. Jihad is still the rule in 22 (France is now 23) confilcts aronud the world. Does Saudi Arabia, the birthplace of Islam, promote Orthodox Islam? Are 80 percent of mosques in America controlled by Saudi Arabia directly? Yes. And another 10 percent indirectly? Yes.
Mohammed took Judaism, Christianity and other religions that were flowing through the Middle East while he was alive and created his own. Essentially it is perversion Judaism with Arab paganism syncretized to it but only the judgement side of it. When Muhammed was on the run as a fugitive for all his criminal activities guess where he showed up on Yom Kippur (Judgement Day)? In a synangogue in Medina. Where do you think the praying 5 times a day comes from? Praying five times on Yom Kippur. How about those prayer mats they use? Used by very traditional Jews during Mohammed's time and before. He stole that, too.
Since Muhammed was a criminal and started Islam as a criminal enterprise (yes, he did. go back and read the history), that promotes perverted teachings of Judaism that teaches false and extreme ideology with its adherenst living in an unconventional manner by waging jihad at all costs no matter how unethical. Is promoting murder, lying, deceit, theft, and arson to spread an idea crazy and insane? Yes. This is the proof that shows me Islam is a cult, pure and simple. And they do promote war called JIHAD. Go look it up. They are at war with anyone that is not a Muslim. They have officially declared war on America several times in the past and are at war in 22 places because that is a core tenet of their beliefs based on the writings in the Koran and in their commentaries called the Hadith. Do Muslim men beat their wives? Yes. It's permissible as written in the Koran. Is this crazy? Yes.
If their beliefs and practices are so great why don't they have an automotive production industry? Is there any industry that they are into that is creative and a blessing to the rest of the world? None that I know of. Can I see a list of Muslim inventors that have changed the world with their inventins like Christians and Jews have? How about a Noble Peace Prize in something demonstrably peaceful and a blessing to the world. The ones for Arafat the Arab Muslim terrorist does not count. Why is this? Because their religion and way of life do not make this possible.
If the Muslims you know are peaceful why not ask them if they believe in the Koran which is the revealed word of Allah. Ask them where the teachings have changed that invalidate jihad. There are none. They can't be Muslims without accepting this fact. Jihad is ingrained into them by the Muslim mothers from the day they are born. No matter how many generations they go they cannot give up Islam, ever. And they cannot separate jihad from Islam. Without jihad Islam does not exist.
Not all Muslims are terrorists, but most terrorists we hear about in the world today are. Why is that? Could religion play any part?
If Muslims can prove to me corporate as well as individually that they are not a threat to my well-being, liberty, life, and hapiness as well as other Americans and non-Muslims globally then I will embrace them with love, kindness, and respect as followers of a relgion and not this cult called Islam. As you know Judaism is based on actions not feelings or intents. I, as Jew, want the Muslims to prove to me with their actions, not words, that they are peaceful.
Until then there are no other arguments. You prove to me that Muslims are peaceful, kind, respectful, merciful, and tolerant of others as individuals AND corporately and I will change my mind and the rest of the world.
Amalek revived itself in the Nazi regime. 10 of Hitlers closest associates were executed at the end of the Nurembury trials on Purim. This is the same day that Haman, a descendant of Amalek, was put to death at the gallows along with his 10 sons. The spirit of Amalek is still out there and waiting to do Jews in completely.
We are swifting coming to a crossroads in human history. We will either get the promised Messiah and the Sabbath Millenium of 1000 years of peace and light and freedom for all in the next 85 to 235 years (based on the rabbis and the Jewish calendar) or we will fall into a great Holocaust that makes the 20th century one at the hands of the Socialists look like child's play. Those that survive will be enslaved in the darkness of illiteracy, ignorance, and work from dusk till dawn like in Egypt to pay off that national debt of 6 or 7 trillion dollars we owe everyone else. If you have a Socialist Slave Number (SSN card) then you have to pay!
How many here want that?
The Leftists (Greens, Progressives, Marxists, Leninists, Stalinists, Orthodox Muslims, and common criminals) are gathering to completely annihilate any one on the Right who stands up for good, for HaShem (G-d), ethics, ethical and just laws, and anything else that non-Jews have adopted from Torah. Israel is at the spearhead of this war against G-d and His followers (Jews, Christians, and the truly decent, good and peaceful Muslims). The Right is rising up and starting to fight back. Let's pray that the trend continues in a greater fashion.
I have bitachon (trust) and emunah (faith) that HaShem (G-d) will get us through this. I'm not over-reacting. I am just being a realist and calling it as I have studied it.
FC
That might be your definition of religion, but it is not shared by anyone else.
What good periods have Muslims had?
Anyone who has studied history objectively knows that the Islamic world was the height of civilization in the world around the 12th-15th Centuries.
Granted, the Muslim world has fallen a long way since then.
um, okay..... What's your point?
Seems to me the Feds can label any religion a cult and murder them by firearms at the beginning, gassing them with flammable tear gas, igniting it (accidentally), burning them up in their church, and murdering them with firearms as they ran out of their buring building.
And you are in favor of this?
Shouldn't our government be an equal opportunity destroyer?
so, you want our government shooting innocent religious people? Glad you cleared that up.
And produces the homocide of many where ever the homocide bomber is standing. You keep forgetting about those innocent people that you supposedly stand up for that are the victims of suicide/homocide bombers.
This type of bombing was not invented by the Muslims. It was invented by the Soviets during WWII. They created a trench to stop German tanks. They had the dug up dirt placed/bermed on the advancing German side. On the Soviet side they had an anti-aircraft gun (size? don't remember) pointed at the hill/berm where the German tanks would come over. As the tanks came over the berm their belly was exposed which was fired upon by the Soviets. If that didn't get them, then coming down the berm and down into the trench gave the Soviets the opportunity to fire at the top of the tank. If that didn't work they used a last ditch effort. It was to have a Soviet fighter (aka a sapper) carry a satchel charge to the underside of the tank and detonate it when they were under the tank blowing themselves up and the tank.
FC
You've made your neo-Nazi sympathies are clear.
Wow! I'm a neo-Nazi Jew! I didn't know that.
I've been on FR a long time ago under a diffent name but now I'm back.
FC
Of course, that's what they originally called the death camps... They were just collecting up people to be deported.
Mark
I have always wondered about the old saying "History repeats itself" and why.
Ask the american soldiers in Iraq who do a pretty good job of killing insurgents while leaving the innocent people in that country unharmed.
It's pretty easy to know when someone is waging war on you- generally, they are the ones shooting at you.
You've been here before, how did I ever know. Did you return to cast dispersions on Freepers, Jews, or both?
Are you Orthodox, Conservative or Reform?
They would love nothing more then to bring the third Reich back.
I guess that shouldn't be too surprising, as the "original" NAZI party went by the name Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei, or N.S.D.A.P., and this "new" group uses the name Nationaldemokratische Partei. The only words left out are Socialist and Worker (Sozialistische and Arbeiter).
Mark
Yeah, and watch those pesky scandinavians. They're tough...
>> It's pretty easy to know when someone is waging war on you- generally, they are the ones shooting at you. <<
Did the actors in the attacks of 9/11/01 shoot at anyone in this country?
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Still waiting for an answer.
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