Posted on 11/09/2005 5:17:45 AM PST by SJackson
It is high time for European officials and the rest of us to understand that Islamism is about sedition, not religion, and that it needs to be treated as such. Extremists preaching violence and jihad against their fellow citizens should be thrown in jail, and radical organizations, subversive "charities," and hate-preaching mosques should be closed down
Not too long ago, the conventional wisdom was that Europe was going to emerge as a unified and mighty economic and political superpower. We were told it would engage in earnest, if friendly, competition with the United States, but that — thanks to its substantially larger population and productive capacity — the European Union (EU) would inevitably displace America on the world stage.
It took less than a fortnight of rioting in France, and now in several other countries of what Donald Rumsfeld has called "Old Europe," to lay bare the preposterousness of this prospect. Even before Islamists first took to the streets of Parisian suburbs, the EU was a house of cards waiting to be toppled, or burned down.
As usual, underlying conditions are clearer with hindsight. It is now unmistakable that Europe faces a "perfect storm" of socio-economic, demographic, military and Islamist challenges. As a result, the European Union is poised in the coming decades to become, at best, a strife-ridden, second-rate power, unwilling or unable to help defend the Free World. Alternatively, it may simply cease to exist as an entity, or perhaps cease even to be part of the Free World.
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I got into a mini-argument with a Frenchman over our system of government and one of his complaints was that we don't treat the poor with dignity. Socialists have no idea what gives a person dignity.
Actually, we in America know that she was lying like a Clinton under oath. And yet, nobody asked her to define benevolence. Nobody asked her to cite even a single example of its manifestation. I guess nobody wanted to embarrass her more than she had embarrassed herself and the American people.
But wait. Who am I to speak for the American people? I've seen a few articles criticizing Dr. Rice's speech, but there has been no popular outcry. The Chairman of the Foreign Relations Committee did not call a press conference to express his concerns by vomiting in front of the cameras. Nick Berg's dad didn't get up and say that Islamic benevolence had cost his son his head. Families of the victims of 9/11 did not try to organize a million man march on Washington. Everybody behaved like a Jew on a Saturday when no Shabbos goyim are available.
It's not easy nowadays to find a town in the United States without a mosque in it. But in the four years that have passed since 9/11, no one who matters has said that the mosque in his town constitutes not only an insult to the many American victims of Muslim murders, but also a clear and present danger to the continued existence of this country.
Let me spell it out for you. The danger of Muslim presence on the American soil is not limited to sleeper cells. This country became great because it was founded by people who cherished freedom above everything else. It is now being invaded by people who don't even have the equivalent of the word freedom in their vocabulary. This country was founded by people escaping religious persecution in Europe. It is now being invaded by followers of a cult based on religious persecution. By settling in America, perfectly peaceful Muslims are gradually turning the United States into a Muslim country, just like they have already turned Western Europe into a province of the Caliphate.
There has never been a prosperous, democratic Muslim country. Neither France, nor the rest of Europe, nor even the United States of America will become the first one. The difference will be only in the degree of Talibanization.
Haven't you heard that “it takes a village”? Well, the village has already arrived.
-Taken from
Six Day Wars
by Yashiko Sagamori
If during a war, any war and this war in particular, the authorities ignore clear acts of sedition, those acts alone will bring on thousands more buckets of blood and caskets on our side, and amoung the innocent. On all sides. That is waht we saw in happen in Viet Nam -- the millions dead in killing fields of Cambodia, and in the reprisal killings in Viet Nam after we scooted out. And our own soldiers feed to some game-theory meat grinder, "game theory" because math is above politics, instead of treating the sickness of sedition, they attempted to mask the symptoms with math and wonk-ism.
If during a war like this one, one inside and outside our borders, we do not pursue charges, trial and jail against the actively and publicly seditious, we will come to treason -- sedition will grow and treason will emerge.
Pursuit of the crime of sedition during peacetime is an evil.
To Pursue the seditious and to criminally charge and publicly try them during wartime is a duty, a good, a necessity of the situation of war.
This is not to criminalize speech against the war, but to remove the deadly poisons when that speech crosses over into sedition.
For many years, France had no problem exporting her French criminal and political prisoners to pestilent hell-holes like Devil's Island, where they were out-of-sight-out-of-mind and no trouble thereafter and where they would languish and die in short order.
That may be her only solution - besides massive deportations of the troublemakers. Certainly "buying them off" will not solve the problem.
It's either that or France is doomed. The French have no other choice. These Muslims will never assimilate and become a part of France.
I agree, and the disproportionate number of Hispanics in the U.S. military, for example, proves their loyalty beyond a doubt. (There is also a disproportionately LOW number of Arab-Americans in the military!)
Sorry, that isn't going to fly in a court. We don't work on what religion a person is, but whether or not you have the rights of a citizen. An atheist is a Jew is a Hindu is a Buddhist is a Christian is an animist is a Muslim under our Constitution, and I wouldn't have it any other way. Whatever approach is used to get rid of dangerous people, I emphatically oppose a "religious test" before someone can be a citizen.
Be very careful on this: conservatives could easily be the "Muslims" in America in the wrong administration.
I remember a few months ago when Airbus rolled out its new jumbo jet, all the liberal pundits were crowing about how this shows the superiority of France and the EU to the USA, how we need to learn from them, be more like them, etc. This Muslim insurrection is a profound embarrassment to those people, which is why they must explain it away as caused by insufficent socialism, rather than by too much Islam. They simply do not understand the arrogance and sense of entitlement of Muslims, who will incrementally make more and more demands, will slowly increase the heat - will whine about discrimination and humiliation - without any apology for the rampant discrimination against non-Muslims in Muslim countries - until the frog is boiled.
But we can certainly discriminate in favor of nonmuslims, and against muslims, in our immigration policy. No reason to import members of a group that always create trouble whenever they acheive a certain percent of the population.
I trust you saw the report today on the Arabic translator who worked for the US Army. He had pretended to be Lebanese but is actually thought to be Moroccan and was stealing secret strategy documents, taking them home and sending them to his terrorist buddies in Iraq.
I hope we don't take many Arabs or Muslims into our military, because they have frequently proven their disloyalty.
I really wish people would stop stamping all of Islam with Wahabbism.
Indonesia is the most populous Muslim nation on Earth and quite peaceful, and a democracy. Ditto Turkey.
You anger and vituperations are meaningless unless directed at the legitimate target, which is Wahabbism. The first step in winning a war is properly identifying the enemy. Apparently many on Free Republic are unwilling to do this, desiring instead to use Wahabbism to defame a religion they feel threatened by as Christians.
I didn't realize two out of thousands is frequent, but never let facts get in the way of a little religious bigotry.
Well, here's what Daniel Pipes has to say about islam in Indonesia:
In Sulawesi, Islamists have deployed roadblocks, armored bulldozers and rocket launchers, thereby isolating the indigenous Christian community. They have also systematically targeted Christians, forcing them to convert, circumcising their children, burning churches and other buildings.
In all, Muslim-Christian clashes in Indonesia have killed more than 19,000 since 1999 and left over 600,000 displaced from their homes.
As for Turkey, it was forcibly secularized, and is civilized only to the extent it can suppress islam. We in the West have come to realize that islam IS jihad, given the reality of islam as demonstrated by the life of Mohamed , the Koran, the hadiths, and islam's long and bloody history.
Those would be Wahabbists.
Wahabbism is dangerous. Failure to recognize that and paint all of Islam with a broad brush is an excellent way to lose this war.
There have been many cases of disloyal Arabic translators, both in the armed forces and in other government employment. I'm a translator and I know about this. But don't let a little reality get in the way of your Islamism.
You declare them enemies of the state and exterminate them. It's europe after all, it's been done before and will be done again. The only question is will the moslems or the europeans be the one exterminated.
Islam isn't a religion. It is a competing political system that is incompatible with the Constitution and the ideals of the founding fathers.
Moslems claim to be citizens of islam first. They've already renounced their citizenship and can be treated as non-uniformed enemy combatants
Awful lot of dead Christians in Indonesia for it to be considered peaceful.
Turkey is peaceful ONLY because it is kept strictly secular. It is not a moslem country. It is a secular country with a moslem majority. Whenever it becomes a moslem country you'll see the peace collapse and non-moslems killed for being non-moslems.
The first step in winning a war is properly identifying the enemy.
Moslems can't help but be terrorists, their religion commands it. Have you never read the koran or hadith? Haven't you been paying attention? Wahhabism is the truest form of islam alive today (The taliban was actually closer to the koran but we took care of that issue). As long as islam exists it will try to impose itself on civilized nations. That is the nature of this particular beast.
Islam is the enemy
Read any newspapers from there recently? It's not all sweetness, light and toleration there. Radical Islamists have been on murderous rampages for a decade or more, with the government reluctant to act unless the West is involved, ala the Bali bombings.
But for the people of places like Sulawesi, they constantly live under the specter of Jaamaah Islamayah violence, in that organization's blatant attempt to make Indonesia a totally Islamic state...
As far as Turkey goes, they've had a pretty long run as an Islamic/secular state, due to Kemal Ataturk's prescient insistence that mosque and state be separate. It worked for a while, but the face of Turkey is changing, slowly, but inexorably, into a far more Islamic state than Turkey has been since the Ottoman Empire fell.
In short, try again...
the infowarrior
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