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Dover CARES sweeps election (Intelligent Design loses big)
York Daily Record ^ | 11/9/2005 | Michelle Starr

Posted on 11/08/2005 11:05:11 PM PST by jennyp

Dover CARES swept the race for school board Tuesday defeating board members who supported the curriculum change being challenged in federal court.

After months of fierce campaigning that included some mudslinging from both sides, new members of the board are Bernadette Reinking, Rob McIlvaine, Bryan Rehm, Terry Emig, Patricia Dapp, Judy McIlvaine, Larry Gurreri and Phil Herman.

The challengers defeated James Cashman, Alan Bonsell, Sherrie Leber, Ed Rowand, Eric Riddle, Ron Short, Sheila Harkins and Dave Napierskie. Results are not official until certified by the county.

“We’re still in shock because we were expecting to have some wins,” said Dapp, who won a two-year term. “We weren’t expecting to have all eight.”

Dapp said “we recognized very quickly that we were a very cohesive, well-working team. I think that is one of our many strengths of what we will bring to the board.”

Candidates weigh in

Board members Bonsell and Harkins, who had voted in favor of adding intelligent design into the ninth grade science curriculum, received the least amount of votes, with 2,469 and 2,466, respectively. Bonsell and Harkins did not return phone calls about the results Tuesday.

Reinking, who was running for a four-year term, received the most overall votes with 2,754.

“It’s a nice thing,” she said. “I’m very flattered and very humble about the whole thing.”

During the campaign, the eight Dover CARES candidates had questioned the incumbents’ truthfulness and fiscal responsibility, while the eight incumbents touted their achievements in keeping taxes in line and the ability to provide quality education.

Cashman, who was running for a four-year term, had said during the day Tuesday that “I expect to win, but it’s not a big celebratory thing.”

About the loss, Cashman said, “We put our effort into this and we tried to manage the school district as conservatively as we could. I have nothing to be ashamed about.”

Rehm said he believed the voters responded because of the challengers’ combined efforts. It wasn’t one thing. They went door-to-door, held public meetings and didn’t exclude anyone, said Rehm, who won a four-year seat.

A major topic in this year’s race was the 2004 curriculum change that added a statement about intelligent design to the ninth-grade science curriculum.

The elected board members oppose mentioning intelligent design in science class. Rehm was one of 11 parents who sued the board in U.S. Middle District Court. The trial concluded Friday and Judge John E. Jones III hopes to have a decision before the year’s end.

Effects on ID Case

Regardless of the election results, those six weeks of the trial have not been lost, according to attorneys on both sides.

“The suit goes on,” said plaintiffs’ attorney Steve Harvey of Pepper Hamilton. “The mere election of a new board does not change anything.”

Harvey and defense attorney Richard Thompson of Thomas More Law Center said Jones has a set of facts to use to determine his ruling.

Harvey said he did not want to speculate on the fallout of what the new board might do. Thompson gave several scenarios.

The new board could change the policy and determine how it will handle legal appeals. It could keep Thomas More or choose another firm if it wishes to continue the case to keep intelligent design in the curriculum.

If the judge rules against the board, Thompson said, the new board could decide not to fight and could therefore be stuck with the plaintiffs’ legal fees, as requested in the suit.

“What is done is done,” Reinking said about the court proceeding, “but to take it to the Supreme Court? To me that won’t be an issue.”

ACLU attorney Witold Walczak said if the board abandons the intelligent design statement, the plaintiffs want a court order stating the new board won’t re-institute it.

“It actually is a way to conclude the litigation,” Walczak said. “The parties sign essentially a contract that says they will stop the unconstitutional conduct.”

Outside ID

Though intelligent design has captured international attention, it was not the only issue in the election.

For example, Dapp said looking at the district budget is one of the new board’s first challenges.

Property taxes, fiscal responsibility, a teachers contract and full disclosure of board members’ actions arose during the campaign.

Roughly 200 teachers attended the board meeting Monday night to show their support for a new contract. Their old contract expired in June.

Sandi Bowser, president of the teachers union who lives outside of the district and didn’t vote for board members, said the union didn’t officially support one group, but the teachers who have been vocal supported Dover CARES.

“I think that the people who are working with Dover CARES have children in the district and are concerned about some of the things that are going on including intelligent design in the science classroom,” she said.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events; Philosophy; US: Pennsylvania
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To: jennyp
Board members Bonsell and Harkins, who had voted in favor of adding intelligent design into the ninth grade science curriculum, received the least amount of votes, with 2,469 and 2,466, respectively. Bonsell and Harkins did not return phone calls about the results Tuesday.

Gone all day, visiting, and back to find a thread with 220 replies already on the rout of stealth creationism in Dover, PA. Oh, well! I'll take good news when and where I can get it.

221 posted on 11/09/2005 3:44:36 PM PST by VadeRetro (Liberalism is a cancer on society. Creationism is a cancer on conservatism.)
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To: PatrickHenry; jennyp

Oooohhh Rahhhh!!!!!


222 posted on 11/09/2005 4:04:26 PM PST by 2ndreconmarine
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To: PatrickHenry

<< Creation science is to science what Ebonics is to English. >>


Professional Creationists and IDers are nothing but "Liars for the Lord." That pretty much sums it up. That is disgusting to this Christian -- and it alarms this conservative Republican.


223 posted on 11/09/2005 4:47:45 PM PST by Ulugh Beg (Long live pastafarianism!)
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To: Ichneumon; peyton randolph
These people want to put Landover Baptist out of business.
225 posted on 11/09/2005 6:01:31 PM PST by Virginia-American
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To: Ichneumon

On the contrary. I, and most of us here, have been greatly informed and enlightened by your always erudite posts, and we are proud to have you on our side.


226 posted on 11/09/2005 6:05:37 PM PST by RightWingAtheist (Free the Crevo Three!)
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To: Virginia-American; Ichneumon
Priceless website.

I was particularly amused by its link to solicit donations for the rebuilding of Noah's Ark.

"A project to recreate Noah's Ark in Frostburg, Maryland as a last day witness to the world. Donations needed, please help them out."

I'd sooner donate to recreate Hogwarts.

227 posted on 11/09/2005 6:23:00 PM PST by peyton randolph (Warning! It is illegal to fatwah a camel in all 50 states)
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To: Ichneumon
Are we clear now?

Couldn't be more clear.

When you write "Forcing religion into the public schools is a violation of the First Amendment (yes, even by original intent -- try reading some Madison and Jefferson on this topic)" you don't really mean that, you mean something else somehow hidden in the content.

When you reply to " The argument in the Dover lawsuit centers around the motivations of the school board, not the curricula." with " Wrong on two counts." you don't really mean wrong on two counts you mean something else.

And when I ask you to point out the "forced religion" in the disclaimer you reply with " The part where it's a Trojan-Horse attack on science in the service of a religion. The part where it twists the truth in the service of a religion. The part where it misrepresents science education in the service of a religion. The part where it is disingenuously crafted to make ID-creationism sound on par with evolutionary biology. The part where it pushes "Of Pandas and People", which lies about science in the service of a religion. The part where moneys were raised in churches with the express purpose of supporting religion via this change in the classroom. The part where the board members crafted it *as* support for their religion, *as* a way to advocate God to the students." which never addresses "forced religion" in the text. Your try to address that with a brief mention of "Of Pandas and People" but the text makes it clear that nobody is forcing anything at which point you go on to ascribe motivations which is what I claimed was the central issue in the first place.

The disclaimer may offend your sensibilities Ichy but there is no constitutional right not to be offended.

And thus my analogy to Lemaitre stands without you laying a glove on it.

But I do get a few chuckles when you go into the exasperated, condescending intellectual thing.

228 posted on 11/09/2005 6:56:11 PM PST by jwalsh07
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To: Ichneumon
It *is* garbage, and you sort of "forgot" to mention the vast numbers (an overwhelming majority) of very *non*illiterate scientists who agree on that point.

Why would you want to be grossly dishonest like that?

At least you didn't call me a liar.

I say the majority of the scientists out there think ID should get a fair shake, but are afraid to admit it to their peers due to the fact that the institutions they work for are usually run by atheists. It's all about job security. So there, genius.

229 posted on 11/09/2005 8:32:48 PM PST by Michael_Michaelangelo (The best theory is not ipso facto a good theory. Lots of links on my homepage...)
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To: Ulugh Beg
Professional Creationists and IDers are nothing but "Liars for the Lord." That pretty much sums it up. That is disgusting to this Christian -- and it alarms this conservative Republican.

You believe God created the conditions for evolution to flourish, correct? Is that not Intelligently Designed Evolution?

230 posted on 11/09/2005 8:39:20 PM PST by Michael_Michaelangelo (The best theory is not ipso facto a good theory. Lots of links on my homepage...)
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To: CheyennePress

it saddens me that schoolboards are not being allowed the slightest discretian in at least acknowleding that other viewpoints are out there.



It more than saddens me..it scares me. So called science is supposed to be about the free exchange of ideas. Yeah right. These Darwinists are all about shutting out anything but their own theories based on so much flimsy evidence.

Some science. Highly suspect...and more than that -dangerously fascistic.


231 posted on 11/09/2005 8:48:36 PM PST by eleni121 ('Thou hast conquered, O Galilean!' (Julian the Apostate))
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To: eleni121
These Darwinists are all about shutting out anything but their own theories based on so much flimsy evidence.

Please name a scientific theory being "shut out".
232 posted on 11/09/2005 8:51:42 PM PST by Dimensio (http://angryflower.com/bobsqu.gif <-- required reading before you use your next apostrophe!)
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To: Dimensio

Please name a scientific theory being "shut out".




Let me see if I can help. Who said scientific theory? Using the lingo defined by the establishment makes no sense. Shutting out the free exchange of ideas is what I said. Have trouble reading?

Theories are defined and promoted by the scientific establishment. AS such, I prefer to use "free exchange of ideas" a term which is more all encompassing and allows for a vastly more broad scientific playing field and field of inquiry.


233 posted on 11/09/2005 8:57:35 PM PST by eleni121 ('Thou hast conquered, O Galilean!' (Julian the Apostate))
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To: eleni121
Let me see if I can help. Who said scientific theory? Using the lingo defined by the establishment makes no sense. Shutting out the free exchange of ideas is what I said. Have trouble reading?

So we should just let any crackpot notion get a mention in science classes, just to be fair? If someone wants to claim that his pet cat created the universe Last Thursday, that should also be examined?

Theories are defined and promoted by the scientific establishment. AS such, I prefer to use "free exchange of ideas" a term which is more all encompassing and allows for a vastly more broad scientific playing field and field of inquiry.

The "establishment" doesn't define theories. The "establishment" -- in this case, the scientific establishment -- defines a set of criteria that an explanation must meet in order to be given consideration. Other "ideas" aren't shut out because of some elitism, they're shut out because they fail to meet fundamental criteria that would establish them as meaningful explanations in the first place. Intelligent Design, for example, is non-falsifiable. There is absolutely no hypothetical observation that would prove that Intelligent Design did not occur. As such, there's no possible way to define actual evidence for Intelligent Design, because any observations are consistent with it. Because of this, as an explanation, Intelligent Design is worthless.
234 posted on 11/09/2005 9:23:21 PM PST by Dimensio (http://angryflower.com/bobsqu.gif <-- required reading before you use your next apostrophe!)
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To: Michael_Michaelangelo


I had written:

<< Professional Creationists and IDers are nothing but "Liars for the Lord." That pretty much sums it up. That is disgusting to this Christian -- and it alarms this conservative Republican. >>


Michelangelo responded:

<< You believe God created the conditions for evolution to flourish, correct? Is that not Intelligently Designed Evolution? >>


Thanks for providing a perfect example of what I was saying. It is equivocation -- and I believe it to be deliberate equivocation -- thus, a lie -- to switch definitions like this. ID is not about "God creating the conditions for evolution to flourish" -- and I believe you know this is not what ID is about.

If you don't know this -- then read up on it and learn your error. If you do know this -- well -- QED.






235 posted on 11/09/2005 9:29:27 PM PST by Ulugh Beg (Teach the controversy! Gravity is only a theory!)
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To: Ulugh Beg

Actually, it was a serious question. Seems to me, Theistic Evolution is basically Intelligently Designed Evolution.


236 posted on 11/09/2005 10:21:19 PM PST by Michael_Michaelangelo (The best theory is not ipso facto a good theory. Lots of links on my homepage...)
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To: Ichneumon

Spin is spin, but less than a hundred votes separating out of 5-thousand cast makes it under 2%. That's like Toomey-
Specter here last year.


237 posted on 11/10/2005 4:41:45 AM PST by Nextrush (The Soviet Union died, but Robert Mugabe is alive and well.)
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To: doc30

First of all, a law and a theory, when it comes to scientific writing, are completely and traditionally different. A theory is a coherent explanation for a large number of facts and observations about a particular scenario.

A law differs from a theory in that it's a principle that consistently holds true under certain circumstances. Right now, evolution hasn't been demonstrated in real time outside of a laboratory, and it isn't completely in its results. That's what makes it not a law.

I definitely agree that evolution fits the category of theory much more than hypothesis. However, ID can be considered a hypothesis. Yes, I admit it's loose and does border on the metaphysical, but it still falls into the category of a concept that can be experimented with, as we have definitely done as humans.


238 posted on 11/10/2005 7:15:17 AM PST by LizzieBorden
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To: newcats
Whoa. Easy there, boy.

I'm just saying logically if we're going to talk science, then there's no reason that either concept should be eliminated from a curriculum. I'm not being malicious.
239 posted on 11/10/2005 7:18:30 AM PST by LizzieBorden
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To: RightWingAtheist
Here's John Derbyshire's latest Corner posting

This guy is excellent. Right on the money.

240 posted on 11/10/2005 8:15:17 AM PST by RightWingNilla
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