Posted on 11/06/2005 9:37:37 PM PST by FairOpinion
Every night, Magid and fellow members of the Tabligh sect of Islam fan out across the grim projects of this poor, immigrant suburb of Paris and try to talk some sense into the angry young men who have been setting it ablaze.
"We tell them: 'if you're violent, you're no longer a Muslim. Islam is moving away from you,' " says Magid. "When they hear that, they usually feel alone and they calm down."
As France enters its 12th night of rioting, Islamic organizations like the Tabligh, which originated in the 1920s in India, stand to benefit from the unrest and emerge strengthened from it. The Tabligh advocates a strict adherence to Islam but also a disengagement from society.
While gangs of disaffected youths, mostly from Muslim families, continue to rampage, burning thousands of cars and ransacking entire neighborhoods, some of these organizations are positioning themselves as mediators who can bring back the order the government has been unable to restore.
These groups don't preach violence, but they do advocate something that is troubling Europe's secular democracies: that Muslims should identify themselves with their religion rather than as citizens.
Effectively, they are promoting a separate society within society and that brand of Islamist philosophy is seeping into many parts of Western Europe. Countries from France and Germany to the United Kingdom and the Netherlands haven't succeeded in integrating their Muslim minorities -- and Islamic organizations have carefully positioned themselves to fill the breach.
The riots "are a blessing for them because it gives them the role of intermediary," says Gilles Kepel, a scholar who has studied and written extensively about the rise of Islam in France. That, in turn, puts them in a stronger position "to force concessions from the state."
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This quote from Winston Churchill is very telling.........
"How dreadful are the curses which Mohammedanism lays on its votaries! Besides the fanatical frenzy, which is as dangerous in a man as hydrophobia in a dog, there is this fearful fatalistic apathy. The effects are apparent in many countries. Improvident habits, slovenly systems of agriculture, sluggish methods of commerce, and insecurity of property exist wherever the followers of the Prophet rule or live. A degraded sensualism deprives this life of its grace and refinement; the next of its dignity and sanctity. The fact that in Mohammedan law every woman must belong to some man as his absolute property; either as a child, a wife, or a concubine; must delay the final extinction of slavery until the faith of Islam has ceased to be a great power among men.
Individual Moslems may show splendid qualities. Thousands become the brave and loyal soldiers of the Queen; all know how to die; but the influence of the religion paralyses the social development of those who follow it. No stronger retrograde force exists in the world. Far from being moribund, Mohammedanism is a militant and proselytizing faith. It has already spread throughout Central Africa, raising fearless warriors at every step; and were it not that Christianity is sheltered in the strong arms of science, the science against which it had vainly struggled, the civilisation of modern Europe might fall, as fell the civilisation of ancient Rome."
Sir Winston Churchill, from The River War, first edition, Vol. II, pages 248 50 (London: Longmans, Green & Co., 1899).
How does one talk "sense" into someone who has never seen his or her parent hold a job,ever, who feels "entitled" to live off the work of others, and who feels absolutely that they are entitled to transform a host society into a warped vision of an alternate reality?
If they can't assimilate, they can't survive. Anywhere.
The sad state of their home countries is eloquent testimony to that sad reality.
Where do they find these idiots?
Of course that's what they're saying - they invented Balkanization. That's what they're saying ... for now. They'll insist on controlling all countries eventually.
This Tabligh ?
http://www.meforum.org/article/686
"They'll insist on controlling all countries eventually."
Of course. This is a "camel's nose in the tent.
Step 1: move a lot of Muslims into the Western Countries.
Step 2: Get the countries to give them autonomous areas
Step 3: Make these autonomous Muslim areas grow, until they squeeze out the rest of the areas and take over the countries.
The 4th Reich is actually a 2nd Ottoman Empire. Who would have thought it a few years ago?
This Tabligh ?
http://www.meforum.org/article/686
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Thanks for the find. Yes, that's the one!
"Wolf in Sheep's Clothing
The West's misreading of Tablighi Jamaat actions and motives has serious implications for the war on terrorism. Tablighi Jamaat has always adopted an extreme interpretation of Sunni Islam, but in the past two decades, it has radicalized to the point where it is now a driving force of Islamic extremism and a major recruiting agency for terrorist causes worldwide. For a majority of young Muslim extremists, joining Tablighi Jamaat is the first step on the road to extremism. Perhaps 80 percent of the Islamist extremists in France come from Tablighi ranks, prompting French intelligence officers to call Tablighi Jamaat the "antechamber of fundamentalism."[12] U.S. counterterrorism officials are increasingly adopting the same attitude. "We have a significant presence of Tablighi Jamaat in the United States," the deputy chief of the FBI's international terrorism section said in 2003, "and we have found that Al-Qaeda used them for recruiting now and in the past."[13]"
Where do they find these idiots?
I do not disagree with your comment. But I also believe one of the many objectives of the war on radical Islam is to hopefully bring about an Islamic reformation. Whatever that might be worth.
In the meantime, stay armed.
Inside every Muslim is a good person under the control of the Devil.
Not to claim it's an omen or anything, but I posted info about this thread at the Threat Matrix, and it turned out to be post 666.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1513784/posts?page=666#666
That's what I thought at first, that at least they are nonviolent, but check out the link and my excerpt from the link posted by 1066Ad in posts 6 & 8.
Seems like they are a wolf in sheep's clothing.
Rags, wretchedness, poverty and dirt, those signs and symbols that indicate the presence of Moslem rule more surely than the crescent-flag itself, abound.
If muslim groups are getting stronger, than why do I suddenly feel 3 times as strong as yesterday? I am Christian; I am Catholic.
Autonomy? Maybe. But once these muslim groups have their hands on these kids and they become further alienated from the majority and the government, terrorist imams will really have a big population to recruit from.
No credit to me, it was posted elsewhere on FR tonight & I saved it :)
Hmmm, I think we all just hope to save our civilization, we do not have to resort to ... extreme, very extreme measures.
Yes, you are right. It is totally scary.
"Step 1: move a lot of Muslims into the Western Countries.
Step 2: Get the countries to give them autonomous areas
Step 3: Make these autonomous Muslim areas grow, until they squeeze out the rest of the areas and take over the countries."
These steps took place most recently in Kosovo, and were supported by military attack during the Clinton administration, with the verbal agreement and support of Bush Jr. as per his own words. The Muslims moved into the Kosovo area, began to breed like rabbits, until they multiplied enough to take over the area, and succeeded, with the help of this country via the Clinton Admin, to become autonomous, and are now trying to establish their own state in an area that was once part of ancient Serbia.
The same will happen here in our southern states of Texas, New Mexico, California, and Arizona, by the Mexican illegal immigrant invasion, and they will spawn multiple children until they too will "own" these states, and regain by propagation that which was lost to them, territory-wise, during war with Mexico.
Well, it was a good move that you saved it and posted it, it was very appropriate on this thread. :)
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