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Former Marine's claims false (Lying Traitor Toured With Cindy Sheehan)
St. Louis-Dispatch via Seattle Times ^ | November 6, 2005 | Ron Harris

Posted on 11/06/2005 8:35:11 PM PST by Sam Hill

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Former Marine's claims false

By Ron Harris
St. Louis Post-Dispatch

WASHINGTON — For more than a year, former Marine Staff Sgt. Jimmy Massey has been telling anybody who would listen about the atrocities that he and other Marines committed in Iraq.

In scores of newspaper, magazine and broadcast stories, at a Canadian immigration hearing and in numerous speeches across the country, Massey told how he and other Marines recklessly, sometimes intentionally killed dozens of innocent Iraqi civilians.

Among his claims:

• Marines fired on and killed peaceful Iraqi protesters.

• Americans shot a 4-year-old Iraqi girl in the head.

• Tractor-trailers were filled with the bodies of civilian men, women and children killed by American artillery.

Massey's claims have gained him celebrity. Last month, Massey's book, "Kill, Kill, Kill," was released in France. His allegations have been reported in nationwide publications such as Vanity Fair and USA Today, as well as numerous broadcast reports.

This year, he joined the anti-war bus tour of Cindy Sheehan and he's spoken at Cornell and Syracuse universities, among others.

News organizations worldwide published or broadcast Massey's claims without any corroboration and in most cases without investigation. Outside of the Marines, almost no one has seriously questioned whether Massey, a 12-year veteran who was honorably discharged, was telling the truth.

He wasn't.

Each of his claims is either demonstrably false or exaggerated — according to his fellow Marines, Massey's own admissions and the five journalists who were embedded with Massey's unit, including a reporter and photographer from the St. Louis Post-Dispatch and reporters from the Associated Press and the Wall Street Journal.

Massey, 34, of Waynesville, N.C., was with the 3rd Battalion, 7th Marines based out of Twentynine Palms, Calif. The unit went to the Middle East in January 2003 and participated in the U.S. invasion of Iraq.

Massey was discharged in December 2003, shortly after returning from Iraq, due to depression and post-traumatic stress syndrome.

He began turning up in news stories last spring with accounts of military atrocities. Massey's primary claim has been that Marines from his battalion — some of whom, he told a Minneapolis audience, were "psychopathic killers" — recklessly shot and killed Iraqi civilians, sometimes, he said, upon orders from their commanders. During a hearing in Canada, Massey said, "we deliberately gunned down people who were civilians."

The Marine Corps investigated Massey's claims and said they were "unsubstantiated."

From the beginning, Massey misled reporters.

In early interviews, he told how he had lost his job at a furniture store because of his anti-war activities. But when asked about the incident in an Oct. 19 interview with the Post-Dispatch, Massey said that he had quit his job but never felt pressure to leave.

"I left on good terms," he said.

He also backtracked from allegations he made in a May 2004 radio interview and elsewhere that he had seen tractor-trailers filled with the bodies of Iraqi civilians when Marines entered an Iraqi military prison outside of Baghdad. He said the Iraqis had been killed by American artillery.

He told listeners the scene was so bad "that the plasma from the body and skin was decomposing and literally oozing out of the crevices of the tractor-trailer bed."

He repeated the story during the Post-Dispatch interview. But when told that the newspaper's photographs and eyewitness reports identified the trailer containing all men, mostly in uniform, Massey admitted that he had never seen the bodies.

Instead, he said, he had received his information from "intelligence reports." When asked if those reports were official documents, he answered, "No, that's what the other Marines told me."

The details of Massey's stories changed repeatedly.

For example, he almost always told his audiences and interviewers of an event he said he'd never forget: Marines in his unit shooting four Iraqi civilians in a red Kia automobile.

In some accounts, Massey said Marines fired at the vehicle after it failed to stop at a checkpoint. In another version, he said the Marines stormed the car.

Sometimes he said three of the men were killed immediately while the fourth was wounded and covered in blood; sometimes he said the fourth man was "miraculously unscathed."

Sometimes he said the Marines left the three men on the side of the road to die without medical treatment while the fourth man exclaimed: "Why did you shoot my brother?" In other versions, he said the man made the statement as medical personnel were attempting to treat the three other men, or as the survivor sat near the car, or to Massey personally.

There is no evidence that any of the versions occurred.

Massey told a version of the story before an immigration hearing in December in support of an American soldier trying to flee to Canada. The Seattle Times reported Massey's allegations in a story about that hearing. Then, Massey said he and the Marines killed four of the demonstrators. In other interviews, he said the Marines shot at 10 demonstrators and killed all but one that he let crawl away.

In interviews with more than a dozen 7th Marines and journalists who were in the military complex that morning, none can recall such an incident.

The Marine Corps readily admits that some of its men shot civilians, but not intentionally, they said. The Post-Dispatch reported on the second day of the war that Marines in one battalion had mistakenly shot and killed members of a British-based television network while shooting at Iraqi attackers.

When Marines moved into Baghdad a month later, the Post-Dispatch reported two separate automobile-related incidents in which Marines from Massey's battalion inadvertently shot and wounded 12 civilians. All of the passengers survived following treatment by medical personnel.

One of the checkpoint shootings is apparently the basis for one of most shocking recollections claimed by Massey in numerous speeches and interviews: The shooting of a 4-year-old girl in the head.

While touring with Sheehan in Montgomery, Ala., he told of seeing the girl's body. "You can't take it back," he said, according to the local newspaper.

But in the interview with the Post-Dispatch, Massey admitted that he had never seen the girl.

No 4-year-old died in the incident or was even wounded, according to witnesses, including a Post-Dispatch photographer at the scene who filed photos of the incident that were published in the newspaper.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: cindysheehan; enemywithin; jimmymassey; leftistliars; leftisttreason; sedition; treason
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To: Sam Hill

I'm sure this will be breaking all over the MSM in the morning...

< /sarcasm >


21 posted on 11/06/2005 8:54:20 PM PST by Tatze (I voted for John Kerry before I voted against him!)
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To: Exit148

Keep spreading the word. That's how we try to undo the damage.


22 posted on 11/06/2005 8:54:29 PM PST by xroadie
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To: bybybill

So, what's your point?!


23 posted on 11/06/2005 8:55:16 PM PST by Prost1 (If the dems want to unite the country then they should join in our federal democracy.)
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To: Sam Hill; All

Will the real John Kerry please stand up? Oh, this is a duplicate! I wonder if they are related somehow; could the defect be genetic?


24 posted on 11/06/2005 8:56:01 PM PST by Wuli
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To: Sam Hill
Well, well, well... As Homer simpson would say:


D'OH!!!


Jack.

25 posted on 11/06/2005 8:57:53 PM PST by Jack Deth (Knight Errant and Disemboweler of the WFTD Thread)
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To: All
Just like al-Cindy, Massey is doing his level best to cash in on his treason:

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The Jimmy Massey At War DVD is a 45 minute interview with Jimmy Massey in which he discusses his experiences on the ground in Iraq, including witnessing the unlawful shooting of unarmed protestors and innocent civilians passing through checkpoints. He discusses the unique training and culture of the current US Marine Corp which made these killings possible. Jimmy discusses coming home from Iraq, including the symptoms of Post Traumatic Stress Disorder which is a life-threatening illness more than 15% of US soldiers and their families must cope with on their return from Iraq. He also addresses his reasons for taking a public stand against the war in Iraq.

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26 posted on 11/06/2005 9:01:13 PM PST by Sam Hill
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To: Lauretij2
Sounds like an aspiring Kerry clone.

My thoughts too. I would think that if he has kept in tough with other Marines, they would invite him out for a drink, and take him to the proverbial woodshed. The military guys I know would beat the sh!t out of him for his remarks. As for Sheehan, I've burned enough explitives regarding this b!tch's actions, that I'm surprised I haven't been banned.

27 posted on 11/06/2005 9:01:50 PM PST by Cobra64
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To: Sam Hill
Too his story fell apart so soon. He could have been John Kerry's running mate in 2008...
28 posted on 11/06/2005 9:02:31 PM PST by Doctor Raoul (Franken screwed so many at the Boys and Girls Club that NAMBLA wants to give him an award!)
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To: Exit148

"So ---- unless all the people, who heard this lying SOB, read the Post-Dispatch or FR, they will continue to believe his lies."

And if you Google his name you'll see Massey has positively blanketed the print media and air waves with his treasonous lies.

And you're right. Most people will never hear that he is a liar and that none of it ever happened. It doesn't fit our one party media's agenda.


29 posted on 11/06/2005 9:03:38 PM PST by Sam Hill
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To: Prost1
Why can not this government use Sedition and Treason laws to prosecute and hang this bastard? This is Bush's fault.

Yup. On another thread, I mentioned that I'd have like to have seen a Rummy/Cheney partnership (or vice versa) as opposed to W in the top spot.

W is a good man, but he is a weak sister. His PC approach is pathetic.

30 posted on 11/06/2005 9:05:15 PM PST by Cobra64
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To: Sam Hill

This is just Vietnam redux. This is exactly what the Kerry bunch did. They took a lot of former military people and made liars out of them. That's when Kerry went before the congress and lied through his teeth about our soldiers.

The only difference is this guy is supposed to be a Marine. He doesn't even look like Marine material to me.

And .. I'd be curious to know who's paying his bills while he's traveling around spewing this garbage. I think that would answer a lot of questions.


31 posted on 11/06/2005 9:05:52 PM PST by CyberAnt (I BELIEVE CONGRESSMAN WELDON!)
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To: Doctor Raoul
Too his story fell apart so soon. He could have been John Kerry's running mate in 2008...

He's still in the running! Being a proven liar is a Badge of Honor in the eyes of the Far Left.

32 posted on 11/06/2005 9:06:54 PM PST by digger48
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To: Sam Hill
" . . . he said he'd never forget:"

'. . . seared, I tell you, . . . seared in my mind . . . '

33 posted on 11/06/2005 9:08:15 PM PST by Eastbound
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To: Sam Hill

This guy reminds me of Scott Ritter. Ole Scotty cashed in on his "reports" also.


34 posted on 11/06/2005 9:08:55 PM PST by VeniVidiVici (What? Me worry?)
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To: baltoga
The dude looks gay.

Yup. His lower face resembles a female body part. I guess some guys like to look gay. If I had a beard like that, my wife of 36 years would divorce me.

35 posted on 11/06/2005 9:08:55 PM PST by Cobra64
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To: Sam Hill

"we deliberately gunned down people who were civilians."

I would hope so. Every foreign fighter or Iraqi irregular fighting against us in Iraq is a civilian. More liberal wordsmithing.


36 posted on 11/06/2005 9:10:04 PM PST by Gum Shoe
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To: austinaero
Where is the MSM?

The MSM will continue to parrot this bum's claims with no attention to the fact that they have been discredited just as they do with every other falsehood that aids the liberal agenda.

37 posted on 11/06/2005 9:10:26 PM PST by etlib (No creature without tentacles has ever developed true intelligence)
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To: etlib

a la Joe Wilson; I see what you mean.


38 posted on 11/06/2005 9:11:16 PM PST by austinaero
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To: Sam Hill

Not even a consistent story teller.


39 posted on 11/06/2005 9:11:59 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck
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To: Rabid Dog

We need to watch for this guy on a campus near us. I'm sure we'll hear more about him.


40 posted on 11/06/2005 9:13:43 PM PST by Snapping Turtle (Slow down and get a grip!)
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