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For the City's Democrats, a Grim Future Could Last Long Beyond Tuesday (NYC)
NY Times ^ | November 6, 2005 | PATRICK D. HEALY

Posted on 11/06/2005 2:12:05 PM PST by neverdem

As Democrats pursue an uphill battle to recapture City Hall on Tuesday, this year's mayoral campaign has already exposed the long-term fracturing of Democratic power in the city, from splinters in the black and Hispanic vote to defections in liberal bastions like the West Side.

Mayor Michael R. Bloomberg's popularity and his $66 million in campaign spending are two pressure points as the campaign winds into its final phase this weekend. Yet it is the permanent structural changes in New York politics - such as term limits, campaign finance reforms and evolving demographics - that are really shaking the once-dominant party and seem bound to hamper it for years to come, leading Democrats and political consultants say.

The Democrats have lost the last three mayoral elections, and if they lose Tuesday's it will be their longest stretch out of power since the consolidation of New York City in 1898. And the recent Republican successes have only empowered the mayor, whether in rooting out patronage in government or in pushing controversial priorities like the Atlantic Yards project in Brooklyn. As for the impact on voters, Democratic leaders say a lack of unity weakens party efforts to build more affordable housing, rein in apartment rents, allow gay marriage and battle for more school aid from Albany.

Democrats complain that fund-raising caps and term limits have deprived the Democratic challenger, Fernando Ferrer, of a political machine to confront the vast resources of the Bloomberg campaign. And he has not been able to spread his message in even traditional hotbeds of party loyalty - a sign, some Democrats say...

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News; Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: New York
KEYWORDS: bloomberg; bloomingidiot; closetcase; democrats; nyc; nycmayor; rino; schadenfreude; voteognibene; yuppietool
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To: Common Tator

New York state and NYC is the exception to the rule. Otherwise, your tiresome posts promoting RINOism is simply garbage.


21 posted on 11/06/2005 3:10:17 PM PST by Extremely Extreme Extremist (Harmful or Fatal if Swallowed)
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To: neverdem

If Bloomberg was honestly a "Republican", the NooYawkers would have hung him out to dry a long time ago, alongside of "Rudy"!
We need to be more careful about who we let share our defining name.


22 posted on 11/06/2005 3:13:27 PM PST by SWAMPSNIPER (LET ME DIE ON MY FEET IN MY SWAMP, ALEX KOZINSKI FOR SCOTUS)
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To: Do not dub me shapka broham; firebrand; rmlew; PARodrig; Yehuda; nutmeg; neverdem; Clemenza
Check out post #10. Excelent analysis re: nyc.



23 posted on 11/06/2005 3:24:47 PM PST by Cacique (quos Deus vult perdere, prius dementat ( Islamia Delenda Est ))
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To: neverdem; livius; chris1; oceanview; Cacique; conservative in nyc; Buck W.
...to build more affordable housing, rein in apartment rents, allow gay marriage...

The only people in this city who see gay "marriage" as a pressing political issue are Christine Quinn, Tom Duane, and Margarita Lopez.

This is one of the primary reasons that Democrats are so manifestly unpopular, the coastal regions of this country notwithstanding.

A sense of misplaced priorities.

24 posted on 11/06/2005 3:41:53 PM PST by Do not dub me shapka broham
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To: chris1
Ferrer is Dinkins redux.

Bingo! Thank God it's not a close race. I'd rather cut off my nose than vote for Bloomboob.

25 posted on 11/06/2005 3:44:47 PM PST by neverdem (May you be in heaven a half hour before the devil knows that you're dead.)
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To: conservative in nyc

What this article doesnt realize...Maybe its not his spending...A Republican did a good job!! IMAGINE THAT?


26 posted on 11/06/2005 3:45:34 PM PST by HHKrepublican_2 (you cant spell liberal without an L an I and an E...If the first amendment doesn't work, use the 2nd)
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To: neverdem
Democrats outnumber Republicans in NYC 9-1. Yet they're willing to re-elect a RINO. Shows you they don't trust the Democrats to make the city more livable. These are the same people who voted for Kerry last year.

(Denny Crane: "I Don't Want To Socialize With A Pinko Liberal Democrat Commie.Say What You Like About Republicans. We Stick To Our Convictions. Even When We Know We're Dead Wrong.")

27 posted on 11/06/2005 3:46:42 PM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: Do not dub me shapka broham

The Dems have misplaced everything. If it weren't for their flacks in the press, they'd be the laughing stock of the US.


28 posted on 11/06/2005 3:46:52 PM PST by livius
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To: goldstategop
It's actually more like 5-1, but who's counting?!

:-)

29 posted on 11/06/2005 3:49:12 PM PST by Do not dub me shapka broham
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist
As well as California. Let's face it, in some states the only Republicans who can win are RINOs. They're the only game in town and that applies to California, Illinois, New York, New Jersey and Massachusetts. Massachusetts is Kerryland but it has had Republican Governors ever since Dukakis left the Statehouse in 1991.

(Denny Crane: "I Don't Want To Socialize With A Pinko Liberal Democrat Commie.Say What You Like About Republicans. We Stick To Our Convictions. Even When We Know We're Dead Wrong.")

30 posted on 11/06/2005 3:50:50 PM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: neverdem

Democrats still have an incredible about of political power in nyc. City Hall eludes them, but almost every other citywide position (and city representation in Albany & DC) is overwhelmingly dem.


31 posted on 11/06/2005 3:52:19 PM PST by HitmanLV (Listen to my demos for Savage Nation contest: http://www.geocities.com/mr_vinnie_vegas/index.html)
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To: livius; Common Tator

The quality of life in NYC has dramatically improved over the last 12 years. That is undeniable. Times Square is a glamourus showcase, not the cesspool of depravity it was in the 80's. That is something practically every New Yorker sees at least once a week.

Bloomberg is also helped by the absence of out of control police scandals on his watch. No blacks being sodomized with nightsticks or riddled with gunfire for standing in their doorways or shot for refusing to buy drugs from an undercover cop. That has won him black support.


32 posted on 11/06/2005 3:54:00 PM PST by Sam the Sham (A conservative party tough on illegal immigration could carry California in 2008)
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To: neverdem

Sadly, the Dems have a lock on the City Council, 4 of the 5 borough presidencies and, in another four years, they'll have City Hall back when Bloomberg hits term limits. There aint another Rudy out there.


33 posted on 11/06/2005 4:42:22 PM PST by Tanniker Smith (By defiintion, we cannot have Consensus until you agree with me.)
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To: Cacique
Thanks for the ping. Yes, I'd say #10 is an excellent analysis of NYC and for pretty much the entire northeast, unfortunately.

So, do you think Bloomberg will win another term? I have to admit I haven't been following the race very closely...

34 posted on 11/06/2005 4:57:58 PM PST by nutmeg ("We're going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good." - Hillary Clinton 6/28/04)
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To: RobFromGa

I don't get this argument. Hardly any New York apartments are rent controlled anymore. Newly built or renovated housing is not rent stabilized, either. My friends pay $4,200 a month for a two-bedroom apartment in Manhattan -- and the parking garage and basement storage are extra.


35 posted on 11/06/2005 5:05:16 PM PST by joylyn
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To: Sam the Sham

Bloomberg has benefited from Rudy G's hard work. Now, there's a mensch. But most people in my neighborhood saw Giuliani as an extreme right-winger. You'd never convince them that he was anything less than a hard-rock conservative, and when I suggest this, they think I'm out of my mind. Bloomberg is a decent manager, but arrogant and, I think, quietly enriching his friends with under the table real estate deals. I don't like him but will probably vote for him. Ferrer's brilliant ideas include putting a tax on stock transfers -- a great way to drive the financial center to New Jersey -- and giving every school kid a lap top computer. (Half would be sold on the streets within a week.) He is pathetic but, believe it or not, far from the worst of the Democratic field.


36 posted on 11/06/2005 5:13:24 PM PST by joylyn
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To: neverdem

To all of you people one there who couldn't find New York City on a map, but wring your hands about electing a rino, consider this: When Bloomberg kicks freddy's ass all over the city, he will be showing huge numbers of minority voters that they can vote for a Republican without the world coming to an end. Look, people don't vote Democrat all their lives and then flip. This doesn't happen to individuals let along historically robotic Black and Hispanic voters. To the contrary, the first move is for people to either take a quick jump over ( very small) but then follow this path, they 1) don't vote at all 2) they vote some third party or Indy 3) they finally vote Republican and stay there. Bloomy will lead hundreds of thousands of minority voters to the first step. This will be very bad news for the rats all over but especially for the beast who will now NOT have such an easy ride next year and thereafter.


37 posted on 11/06/2005 5:44:36 PM PST by jmaroneps37 (Everything points to it so why not call them the Whigs?)
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To: joylyn

In 2003, over 2/3 of NYC's 2 million apartments were were either rent controlled or rent stabilized. Less than 1/3 are subject to 100% market forces.

Price controls always lead to inefficient distribution, and to shortages.


38 posted on 11/06/2005 6:31:50 PM PST by RobFromGa (Afghanistan, Iraq, Iran-- what are we waiting for?)
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To: jmaroneps37

I live in Woodlawn and will tell you I think Bloomberg is a capable, comptent leader who does not pander. I don't agree with him all the time, but considering all else, and 9/11 aside, he has done as good a job as Rudy if not better.


39 posted on 11/06/2005 7:09:10 PM PST by chris1 ("Make the other guy die for his country" - George S. Patton)
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To: Tanniker Smith

Ray Kelly, Kerik, Bill Bratton - would all make good republican candidates for mayor in 2009. The Dems will put up either Weiner or Gifford Miller.


40 posted on 11/06/2005 7:11:40 PM PST by oceanview
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