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Democrats: Deceit made us back war
Philadelphia Inquirer ^ | 11/06/05 | Dick Polman

Posted on 11/06/2005 8:29:56 AM PST by Fintan






 



The Democratic party appears to have finally come up with a way to explain why so many of its elected leaders gave President Bush the authority to wage war in Iraq.

Three simple words: "We were duped."

A parade of top Democrats have contended in recent days that they would have been antiwar in 2002 had they known then what they now believe to be true: that the Bush administration manipulated the intelligence in order to build a bogus case for war. In pursuit of that theme, Senate Democrats on Tuesday successfully demanded that their GOP colleagues quit stalling and finish a long-promised investigation that could determine whether the war planners were dishonest.

Many Democrats believe it's good politics these days to say that they were lied to. This message, actually a rite of confession, is designed to help their erstwhile pro-war politicians get back in sync with the party's liberal antiwar base. That's especially important for some of the original pro-war Democrats who want to run for president in 2008. After all, liberal voters tend to dominate the Democratic primaries, and they're expecting to hear apologies.

Hence, Sen. John Kerry (who wants to try again) said in a speech on Oct. 26: "The country and the Congress were misled into war. I regret that we were not given the truth... knowing what we know now, I would not have gone to war in Iraq." Hence, Tom Daschle (the deposed Senate Democratic leader, who is weighing a campaign) said in a speech Wednesday that senators voted incorrectly because "on so many fronts, we were misled."

At least four other Democratic senators who voted to authorize war have use the dupe argument in recent days, including Christopher Dodd of Connecticut (who periodically voices White House ambitions) and Tom Harkin of Iowa (who now calls his war support "one of the biggest voting mistakes of my career"). And once having confessed, these Democrats believe they have sufficient credibility to call for the phased withdrawal of U.S. troops from Iraq.

But not all the prominent Democrats who voted with Bush have embraced the dupe message. Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton - who continues to exasperate the liberal base - hasn't renounced her vote; when asked about it the other day by NPR, she dodged: "I can't talk about this on the fly; it's too important." Sen. Evan Bayh, another presidential hopeful, hasn't renounced. Former Sen. John Edwards, another prospective candidate, hasn't renounced. Sen. Joe Biden hasn't, either.

Their reticence might stem in part from awareness of the George Romney rule of politics: Gullibility is not a character asset for a presidential candidate.

The late George Romney (father of current Massachusetts Republican Gov. Mitt Romney) was the anointed front-runner of the 1968 GOP presidential race - until he tried to explain, in a radio interview during the summer of 1967, why he had renounced his previous support for the Vietnam war. The Michigan governor complained that, while visiting the hot zone, he had been duped by the brass into backing the war:

"I just had the greatest brainwashing that anybody can get when you go over to Vietnam. Not only by the generals, but also by the diplomatic corps over there, and they did a very thorough job."

Romney plummeted in the polls, and his candidacy soon evaporated; voters didn't like the idea of electing someone who admitted he was capable of being fooled. And, as many political observers argue, that's the lesson for Democrats today.

Charlie Cook, a Washington analyst who runs the nonpartisan Cook Political Report, said Friday: "If Democrats want to argue that the administration misrepresented and distorted the prewar intelligence, OK, that's one thing. But if they push the argument that they have been duped, fooled and victimized - well, to a lot of [independent swing] voters, they're just going to come across as weak."

The Romney rule is also invoked by moderate Democrats who see Iraq as a noble cause. Marshall Wittmann, a senior fellow at the Democratic Leadership Council, warned on his blog the other day that the Democrats "are positioning themselves as a party that is gullible, feckless, and indecisive... beware of the long-term impact on the party which already suffers from a perception of being weak on national security."

But David Sirota, a liberal antiwar activist and organizer, contends that the Romney rule is irrelevant today, because of the public's broad-based opposition to the Iraq war. (Most Americans still generally supported the Vietnam war at the time Romney committed his gaffe).

Sirota said Thursday: "Obviously, the [dupe] message needs to be played properly. But most Americans already believe that Bush misled the country" - polls support his contention - "so it makes perfect sense for Democrats to say they too were misled... . They followed tradition and gave the benefit of the doubt to a president on a national security issue, and they were lied to. That doesn't mean they were stupid. They were being patriotic.

"And rather than just apologize for being misled, Democrats need a message of outrage. Make the argument that this administration deliberately manipulated the intelligence."

That message is dismissed by critics as paranoid; Wittmann calls it "Michael Moore territory." But the Republican Senate leaders did promise, back in February 2004, that it would investigate whether the war planners had been deliberately dishonest. Asked in October 2004 (before the election) why that key question had not been resolved, Kansas Sen. Pat Roberts replied: "We simply couldn't get that done with the work product that we put out." Then, eight months ago, Roberts said the probe had been put "on the back burner."

Early last week, Senate Democrats employed a parliamentary maneuver to force a showdown over the sluggish probe; as a result, a progress report will be issued within the next several weeks. Liberal bloggers were thrilled by this rare act of boldness; in the words of Philadelphia-based billmon.org, it was a treat "watching the Democratic jellyfish rear up on its hind tentacles and sting someone."

If the GOP report concludes that the Bush team manipulated intelligence, it would buttress the Democratic message about being duped. But the party's strategy could fail anyway. There is always the possibility, as some Democrats say privately, that the report will exonerate Bush, leaving Democrats to merely complain that there must have been a whitewash.

And the dupe message may be only as good as the individual messenger. Kerry, in his Oct. 26 speech, declared that "as I said more than a year ago," he would not have voted for the war if he had known about "the Bush administration's duplicity." Yet, on Aug. 9, 2004, he said he would have still voted to authorize Bush even if he had known in advance that no mass weaponry would be found. Those statements don't necessarily contradict each other, but a fresh round of Kerry nuances may not boost his fortunes.

Clearly, gaining traction on Iraq is a Democratic imperative. Bush may be tanking in the polls, but Democrats have barely moved the needle their way. In the words of party pollster Stan Greenberg, summarizing his late-October numbers, "Democrats have not made noticeable gains on thinking long-term... knowing what they stand for, or being trusted to keep America safe."

As for the 2008 race, Charlie Cook suggests a way for Democrats to dump the dupe message entirely: "By 2008, there will be a tremendous constituency for a candidate who can argue clearly that the war was always a mistake. Forget all the senators. The answer for Democrats is to nominate a governor, somebody who never had to vote at all on the damn war."








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To: Fintan

And if by 2008 the Iraqi government is still standing, many of the troops are gone. Or. alternatively, if Iran ans Syria, have collapsed.... Events control


21 posted on 11/06/2005 8:45:41 AM PST by RobbyS ( CHIRHO)
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To: Fintan
Democrats: Deceit made us back war

.TRANSLATION:..we're too stupid to read and understand the same information the President had,so we backed him and now we can't stand to be labeled for the war and besides Reid and Dean are our leaders now so whatever they say we do because no body in the democratic party can ever be associated with anything good for America. So there you, you,you poo poo head!!

Doogle

22 posted on 11/06/2005 8:46:19 AM PST by Doogle (USAF...7thAF ..4077th TFW...408th MMS..Ubon Thailand.."69",,Night Line Delivery..AMMO)
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To: Fintan

Ah the ole "We were fooled into starting a war now please let us run your country" plank eh ?

I guess it was inevitable. Their base doesn't want the war and they whole lot of them voted for it.

LOL this is going to be a great primary season I tell you.


23 posted on 11/06/2005 8:46:43 AM PST by festus (The constitution may be flawed but its a whole lot better than what we have now.)
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To: Fintan
Three simple words: "We were duped."

It's hard not to laugh out loud at these clowns. The "We were duped" morons are being duped again by the lunatic anti-war people in their own party. Hasn't anyone told them they lost the last election because Americans were not willing to trust Democrats with the nation's security? What do they think will be the big issue in 2006 and 2008?

24 posted on 11/06/2005 8:47:06 AM PST by hflynn ( Soros wouldn't make any sense even if he spelled his name backwards)
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To: Mo1
Not a good pr move

It would make for some great campaign commercials :)

25 posted on 11/06/2005 8:47:30 AM PST by mewzilla (Property must be secured or liberty cannot exist. John Adams)
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To: Fintan
had they known then what they now believe to be true

Just another ignorant position. Kinda like saying "If I knew then what the lottery numbers would be, I'd be a millionaire today".

26 posted on 11/06/2005 8:50:18 AM PST by capydick (or)
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To: Fintan

I can't believe that the 'RAT voter base would elect politicians who are so easily "duped." Sounds to me like the DemocRATS are a bunch of dummies.


27 posted on 11/06/2005 8:54:35 AM PST by FlingWingFlyer ("Others have died for my freedom — now this is my mark." Cpl. Jeffrey Starr, USMC)
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To: don-o

or will they continue to play footsie with this bunch of lunatics?



Fearing the utter destruction of their political enemies, the Repubs will continue to play footsie to keep them (democrats) alive as a viable political option.


28 posted on 11/06/2005 8:55:32 AM PST by trubluolyguy (It was a joke! When you give me that look, I was joking!)
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To: mewzilla

LOL! .. I can just picture the ads


29 posted on 11/06/2005 9:01:01 AM PST by Mo1
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To: Fintan
 
These guys have access to the same intelligence that the President has.

The logical weapon against this tripe is to ask these Democrats very publicly if their constituents send them to Washington to make decisions or if it is normal to allow the head of the opposing party to make up their minds for them.

 

 

30 posted on 11/06/2005 9:03:41 AM PST by HawaiianGecko (Facts are neither debatable nor open to "I have a right to this opinion" nonsense.)
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To: Fintan
>>>>The Democratic party appears to have finally come up with a way to explain why so many of its elected leaders gave President Bush the authority to wage war in Iraq.
Three simple words: "We were duped."

The great cop-out of 2005. LOL

OTOH. With the American peoples discontent growing and seeming to place more emphasis on perspective then retrospective when it comes to the Iraq war, this Demlibrat/MSM strategy just may work in 2006 and 2008.

31 posted on 11/06/2005 9:05:23 AM PST by Reagan Man (Secure our borders;punish employers who hire illegals;stop all welfare to illegals)
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To: SaveTheChief
The hypocrisy is unbelievable.

Dat you Hannity?

32 posted on 11/06/2005 9:05:37 AM PST by don-o (Don't be a Freeploader. Do the right thing. Become a Monthly Donor!)
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To: Fintan; All

Agree with all of the great comments on this thread.

This is what happens when a political party is driven by its extreme fringe - moveon, hollyweird etc. DNC and congressional dims get their talking points straight from NARAL, moveon etc. The extreme is the only segment with any money at this point in the political cycle.

The extreme appeals to the hysterical and indeed stimulates as much sky is falling hysteria as possible ... "if you don't send US every penny you can scrape together, Bush will send us all to the ovens. Only WE can save you, and your right to abortion of course".


33 posted on 11/06/2005 9:07:32 AM PST by Let's Roll ( "Congressmen who ... undermine the military ... should be arrested, exiled or hanged" - A. Lincoln)
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To: hflynn

"What do they think will be the big issue in 2006 and 2008?"

True, but remember, the Republicans still don't have a star candidate for 2008 yet.


34 posted on 11/06/2005 9:09:20 AM PST by canuck_conservative
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To: Let's Roll

The dims are willing to look this incompetent and traitorous because they KNOW the media won't call them on it and because they HOPE we won't remember who said what before GWB was anywhere near the WH.


35 posted on 11/06/2005 9:13:56 AM PST by Let's Roll ( "Congressmen who ... undermine the military ... should be arrested, exiled or hanged" - A. Lincoln)
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To: don-o

Yes. How did you know?


36 posted on 11/06/2005 9:14:43 AM PST by SaveTheChief ("I can't wait until I'm old enough to feel ways about stuff." - Phillip J. Fry)
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To: canuck_conservative
True, but remember, the Republicans still don't have a star candidate for 2008 yet.

The problem is the Democrats have a 2008 candidate but she can't win.

37 posted on 11/06/2005 9:17:25 AM PST by hflynn ( Soros wouldn't make any sense even if he spelled his name backwards)
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To: SaveTheChief

My esp is unbelievable.


38 posted on 11/06/2005 9:17:36 AM PST by don-o (Don't be a Freeploader. Do the right thing. Become a Monthly Donor!)
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To: don-o

As is your sarcasm.


39 posted on 11/06/2005 9:18:57 AM PST by SaveTheChief ("I can't wait until I'm old enough to feel ways about stuff." - Phillip J. Fry)
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To: SaveTheChief
Not intended. I have no beef at all with Hannity. He does what he does and reaches a segment of movement.

It was just a little jibe - He does use the "u" word a lot, don't he?

40 posted on 11/06/2005 9:25:03 AM PST by don-o (Don't be a Freeploader. Do the right thing. Become a Monthly Donor!)
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