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Just Googling It Is Striking Fear Into Companies
The NY Times, Technology ^ | Nov. 6, 2005 | Steve Lohr

Posted on 11/06/2005 5:51:08 AM PST by summer

Wal-Mart, the nation's largest retailer, often intimidates its competitors and suppliers. Makers of goods from diapers to DVD's must cater to its whims. But there is one company that even Wal-Mart eyes warily these days: Google, a seven-year-old business in a seemingly distant industry.

"We watch Google very closely at Wal-Mart," said Jim Breyer, a member of Wal-Mart's board.

In Google, Wal-Mart sees both a technology pioneer and the seed of a threat, said Mr. Breyer, who is also a partner in a venture capital firm. The worry is that by making information available everywhere, Google might soon be able to tell Wal-Mart shoppers if better bargains are available nearby.

Wal-Mart is scarcely alone in its concern. As Google increasingly becomes the starting point for finding information and buying products and services, companies that even a year ago did not see themselves as competing with Google are beginning to view the company with some angst - mixed with admiration.

Google's recent moves have stirred concern in industries from book publishing to telecommunications. Businesses already feeling the Google effect include advertising, software and the news media. Apart from retailing, Google's disruptive presence may soon be felt in real estate and auto sales...

...Such advances, predicts Esther Dyson, a technology consultant, will bring "a huge reduction in inefficiency everywhere." That, in turn, would be an unsettling force for all sorts of industries and workers. But it would also reward consumers with lower prices and open up opportunities for new companies.

Google, then, may turn out to have a more far-reaching impact than earlier Web winners like Amazon and eBay. "Google is the realization of everything that we thought the Internet was going to be about but really wasn't until Google," said David B. Yoffie, a professor at Harvard Business School...

(Excerpt) Read more at nytimes.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Extended News; News/Current Events; US: Arkansas; US: California; US: New York
KEYWORDS: business; competition; economy; freemarket; freetrade; google; googling; information; internet; it; monopoly; searchengine; technology; us; walmart; www
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To: summer
"So, in other words: eliminating "inefficiency" is predicted to cause a lot of initial angst. Wow! I always thought eliminating "inefficiency" would result in the OPPOSITE response from people! Seems the writer is implying humans are more comfortable in the current, inefficient mess!"

Many people, industries, and nations rely on "inefficiencies" in the market to make a living. Tarrifs, transport costs, laws, and labor contracts, for example, may create artificial barriers to the free movement of goods and services. Think of the opposition to NAFTA in the 1990s, with Ross Perot noting "the giant sucking sound" of jobs going to Mexico. Ironically, China is sucking those same sorts of jobs away from the Mexicans.

What eliminating market inefficiences does is to force some people out of business and others to be on the qui vive to innovate and fight for customers and suppliers. In the long run, it's beneficial for all involved, but boy does it hurt in the short run!
61 posted on 11/06/2005 6:58:09 AM PST by GAB-1955 (Proudly confusing editors and readers since 1981!)
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To: summer

no fan of google

will not use any of their products


62 posted on 11/06/2005 6:59:35 AM PST by Flavius (Qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum")
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To: GAB-1955
"Intimidate" is not a positive word

Precisely why the NYT uses it instead of something neutral like, "Uses their considerable size to leverage the best prices from their suppliers to benefit their customers and stock holders"

If they said something like that though, they wouldn't be the New York Times.

63 posted on 11/06/2005 6:59:39 AM PST by Graybeard58 (Remember and pray for Sgt. Matt Maupin - MIA/POW- Iraq since 04/09/04)
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To: coloradan
Do terrorists using gmail accounts get offers to buy cell culture medium, fertilizer, and low-cost internet flight school courses?

Only if they use taxpayer funded, ACLU protected library computers.

64 posted on 11/06/2005 6:59:51 AM PST by petercooper (The Republican Party: We Suck Less.)
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To: js1138
Google is the next Microsoft. They have money, momentum, products. All thy lack is the organized fear and hatred that Microsoft has inspired. And the federal anti-trust lawsuits.

They also lack the pernicious anti-corporatist Reno Justice Dept, who waged all out war on Microsoft because they succeeded in business against Clinton donors.

65 posted on 11/06/2005 7:01:34 AM PST by Senator Goldwater
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To: Senator Goldwater

That will come. If they "disrupt" conventional commerce by being successful, they will become a target.


66 posted on 11/06/2005 7:05:16 AM PST by js1138 (Great is the power of steady misrepresentation.)
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To: libstripper

Whenever I am buying anything for over a hundred bucks, I start out at ebay. I review the current auctions and then go to the completed auctions and see what the item went for. Then its off to the shopping engines of which Google's service, Froogle, is just one. You can do your straight Google searches for a product, but I find the shopping sites to be more efficient and the information is formatted in such a way that makes it easier to absorb.

However, I can see the day coming where Google supplants the shopping engines. With a little fine tuning and the ability to filter out unwanted responsed easier, Google will become the last word.


67 posted on 11/06/2005 7:10:28 AM PST by appeal2
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To: summer

Another nice thing about Gmail is the ability to use it as a POP3 server. You can simply configure outlook to pull the mail right off of it. You can do this with yahoo too, but they charge you money. With Gmail everything is free.


68 posted on 11/06/2005 7:12:06 AM PST by appeal2
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To: summer
I think some disruption comes naturally with innovation, although "dispution" sounds so negative. There has to be a better word to describe what one should expect to happen when you alter or shake up the status quo.

Economists call it "creative destruction." A new idea comes along, whole industries are put out of business, weak firms go to the wall, workers are laid off. But then new, more efficient businesses arise, and the workers go to them. It's unsettling, but it keeps us ahead of the competition, i.e., other countries that imitate our technology.

The Japanese, for instance, have been fantastic at imitating our technology and doing it even better, but they are much less adept at innovation and change.

69 posted on 11/06/2005 7:17:21 AM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: appeal2; All
For gmail users if you would try to turn your gmail space into a virtual drive check this out:

http://www.viksoe.dk/code/gmail.htm

It's a freebie and a warning; changes in gmail break it from time to time.

If you've no concern about what's on gmail it can be very handy, especially if you travel.

70 posted on 11/06/2005 7:20:18 AM PST by Proud_texan ("Moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue." - Barry Goldwater)
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To: appeal2
Google will become the last word.

I disagree. Pricewatch has been around a lot longer than Froogle and is far more navigable, and they didn't become the last word for a good reason.
71 posted on 11/06/2005 7:24:24 AM PST by Seamoth
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To: irons_player
There is nothing stopping these corporations from doing their own google.

The day that one of them decides to do it their way is the day to dump your google shares.

LOL, then why don't they?

72 posted on 11/06/2005 7:32:21 AM PST by Moonman62 (Federal creed: If it moves tax it. If it keeps moving regulate it. If it stops moving subsidize it)
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To: summer

I still use dialup and Yahoo email is extremely slow.


73 posted on 11/06/2005 7:33:37 AM PST by Moonman62 (Federal creed: If it moves tax it. If it keeps moving regulate it. If it stops moving subsidize it)
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To: summer
How the NYT can have a whole article on price competition and not mention Froogle is beyond me. Use advanced Froogle, name your product and set the filter to lowest price first and away you go!
;-)
74 posted on 11/06/2005 8:01:05 AM PST by Tunehead54 (Nothing funny here ;-)
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To: js1138

"Google is the next Microsoft. They have money, momentum, products. All thy lack is the organized fear and hatred that Microsoft has inspired. And the federal anti-trust lawsuits."

Google sells a valuable service, not a buggy, half-a$$ed OS that happens to be a monopoly.


75 posted on 11/06/2005 8:19:14 AM PST by taxed2death (A few billion here, a few trillion there...we're all friends right?)
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To: summer
Now, what do you like about Yahoo email? Far better address book, calendar, reminders than all the competition.

Are there less ads or any? I pay for the Mail Plus ($20/year) no ads, no Yahoo tagline at the end of your message, POP forwarding so I can use the account with Thunderbird or Outlook. Gmail has all these too, but you get ads and privacy issues.

Is it targeted advertising like g-mail, scanning the messages? I haven't noticed any spam related to message traffic.

What about storage limits? I forget what the Yahoo free account offers, something like 10 MB. Mail Plus gets you 2 GB.

And how long does it take to open? On Roadrunner or DSL, its pretty fast. Sometimes Yahoo mail servers seem to be down for several minutes.

76 posted on 11/06/2005 8:44:12 AM PST by Spirochete
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To: summer

http://www.hello.com/


77 posted on 11/06/2005 8:51:53 AM PST by unsycophant
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To: GiovannaNicoletta
What I find amazing about Google is that they've achieved wonderful success using the capitalist system in this country but give their money and support to elect people who make it their life's mission to destroy the same opportunity to succeed to as many Americans as possible.

To understand this, you need to look it as they see it. To quite a few of this mindset, economics consists of a finite pie. The only way they can continue to have their "slice", is to deny anyone else another slice, or, a part of their slice.

Logical? No...but you cannot use logic when attempting to understand the mind of a modern liberal. Their worldview is a complete departure from logic and common sense...and "limousine liberals" are the worst of them all. Most of them would sell their own mothers into slavery if they felt that was the only way to maintain their current status.

When you look at it from that context, having socialists in charge is the best possible thing for them...because they know that by "buying" them into power, they stand a very healthy chance of being "shielded" from any adverse consequences. Those things are suffered by the "little people".

Personally, those who think like that have earned, and will continue to earn my unbridled loathing and contempt. I have nothing to do with them and I go out of my way to ridicule and mock them when or if I have the misfortune to be forced by circumstance to encounter them; publically if possible. I consider them a clear and present danger to the long term survival of a constitutional republic.

78 posted on 11/06/2005 9:09:18 AM PST by seadevil (...because you're a blithering idiot, that's why. Next question?)
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To: summer
TechWeb News
Google Founders To Fly In Style
November 04, 2005

Google Inc.'s two 32-year-old founders are getting ready to fly in a style that reflects their billionaire status.

Sergey Brin and Larry Page bought earlier this year a Boeing 767-200 wide-body airliner, the Wall Street Journal reported Friday. Not typically used as a corporate jet, the airliner carries 180 passengers, and is more than two-thirds longer and three times as heavy as most business jets.

In an interview with the newspaper, Page said the jetliner would be refurbished to hold about 50 passengers. He declined to give further details, but people familiar with the project told the Wall Street Journal that the jetliner would have a sitting area, two staterooms and a large sitting-and-dining area.

Brin and Page have a combined net worth of more than $20 billion, the newspaper said. The two founders bought the plane themselves and will use it for personal travel. There are no plans to have Google cover the costs, Page told the Journal.

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TechWeb News
Author: Google's Patents Reveal Strategy To Beat Microsoft
By W. David Gardner
September 30, 2005

Dig deeper into Google, dig into its software and engineering patents and you’ll find a roadmap for its future, says an author and online systems specialist, who believes the patents also spell bad news for Microsoft if the tech world moves to a new Google-dominated network paradigm.

“Google really doesn’t hide things,” said Stephen E. Arnold, who has written a book on his one-year odyssey studying the search firm. “Bill Gates is basically in the same spot he had IBM in. IBM was challenged by Microsoft and IBM didn’t understand Microsoft’s business model. It’s history repeating itself.”

Arnold, author of “The Google Legacy”, said in an interview this week, that it appears that Microsoft doesn’t understand Google in much the same way that IBM didn’t understand Microsoft 20 years ago. “It will be the Googleplex from 2004 to 2020 – a network paradigm,” said Arnold. “It will be enabled by Google’s approach to innovation.”

[snip]

Another industry observer, Joe Wilcox, senior analyst at JupiterResearch, believes that Google represents a “version 2” challenge to Microsoft’s Windows dominance. “Version 1,” according to Wilcox, was the earlier threat to Microsoft’s dominance represented by Netscape’s browser.

“Windows is threatened again (by Google) and in some ways the threat is greater than before,” said Wilcox. “Google is betting on search as the next platform.” Wilcox believes there are still some big “ifs” in the future of the Google rollout – whether the search firm can execute its business plan well and what Microsoft will do to respond.

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Only time will tell the range of Google's success, or of their failure by overextension.
I don't own any Google stock or have any stake in their venture, but I do use several of the services they currently offer and will test any new ones that interest me.

79 posted on 11/06/2005 9:47:35 AM PST by Eagle9
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To: libstripper
You immediately get links to every on line seller and lists of the best deals.

Oh absolutely and not just that. You can often find product reviews where you can read the opinions and experiences of people who have already purchased the item you are looking for. Google groups is sometimes good for this.
80 posted on 11/06/2005 10:20:04 AM PST by octobersky
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