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Contract dispute ignites Dover race
York Daily Record/York Sunday News ^ | 10/30/05 | Michelle Starr

Posted on 11/01/2005 5:41:29 AM PST by Nextrush

Incumbents in the race for Dover Area school board say they've tried to resolve the teachers' contract situation but have had little help from the union, while challengers say the board's efforts haven't been enough..The teachers union waited until late summer 2005 to submit a contract proposal...the proposal called for a 19.1 percent salary increase for the first year...The PSEA's PACE has donated $4,982 in cash and in-kind contributions since February to the Dover CARES...

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events; Philosophy; Politics/Elections; US: Pennsylvania
KEYWORDS: crevolist; education; elections; evolution; intelligentdesign; publicschools; unions
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To: Nextrush
Why put down other people?

I believe I simply answered your points, one by one.

I've seen quite a few "fundamentalist crazies" in my lifetime. I used to play tapes of preachers at a radio station for hours on end when I was younger.

None of them have increased the sum total of our knowledge of the universe one iota.

All you do is start a conflict although some people are looking for a fight even if you are nice.

It is not nice to try to inject nonsense in science class to confuse the kids about what science is and is not. If someone stood up in a school board meeting and proposed barbequeing the students and eating them, the answers might or might not be polite. However, I'm sure few if any would pretend that the idea possibly had some validity and needed further study. Some things are obviously wrong to most clear-thinking people and the contentions of a few goofball cultists are an example thereof.

This school board was trying to bring balance to a one-sided presentation of science with a limited knowledge of the law.

Science isn't anything you want it to be. I notice the school board is not similarly upset at one-sided presentations of chemistry (vs alchemy) or astronomy (vs astrology). But then the school board is composed of creationists, not alchemists and astrologists.

They could have done better homework but would have been sued no matter what.

If they were doing their jobs, they should have tried to ensure that science classes accurately reflected the current content of science and not the talking points of their cult.

21 posted on 11/01/2005 7:15:18 AM PST by VadeRetro (Liberalism is a cancer on society. Creationism is a cancer on conservatism.)
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To: VadeRetro

A secular extremist I guess. You need to see that you are
just as extreme as the "cultists" you criticize. When
Dr. R.A. Torrey wrote about "The Fundamentals" of Christianity (virgin birth of Christ, inerrancy of the
Bible, etc.) he was as much of an intellectual as non-believers. Jesus spoke of "Pharisees" and "Saducees."
They were his versions of "fundamentalists" and "humanists."
Are you a Steve Allenist?


22 posted on 11/01/2005 7:25:00 AM PST by Nextrush (Freedom is the "F" word for liberals)
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To: Right Wing Professor
Someone wrote:

"Thomas More is donating its services, my friend. "

To which the appropriate reply is:

... and it appears, from the reports of what's happened so far in the court room, that the Dover School Board's legal counsel was worth exactly what they paid for it.

23 posted on 11/01/2005 7:27:45 AM PST by longshadow
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To: Nextrush
Unfamiliar with Torrey and all I've read by Allen is two detective novels starring himself. I'm telling you science has an actual body of knowledge and it isn't anything you want it to be. I'm trying to break through, but you're hearing a bunch of stuff you're making up yourself.
24 posted on 11/01/2005 7:29:39 AM PST by VadeRetro (Liberalism is a cancer on society. Creationism is a cancer on conservatism.)
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To: VadeRetro

I could give you my knowledge of history and journalism and tell you how great they are alongside of your science. The
science I understand most (being a journalist by training)
is meteorology. And there I see the forecasts that constantly change based on current observations of barometric pressure, wind speed and direction, etc. Its
very difficult to see too far into the future in meteorolgy
and that's why I have to doubt how biologists can see so far
into the past.


25 posted on 11/01/2005 7:38:28 AM PST by Nextrush (Freedom is the "F" word for liberals)
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To: Nextrush
And there I see the forecasts that constantly change based on current observations of barometric pressure, wind speed and direction, etc. Its very difficult to see too far into the future in meteorolgy and that's why I have to doubt how biologists can see so far into the past.

By that same reasoning, I have no way of knowing whether or not it rained in the city where I live a week last Thursday.
26 posted on 11/01/2005 7:39:28 AM PST by Dimensio (http://angryflower.com/bobsqu.gif <-- required reading before you use your next apostrophe!)
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To: Nextrush
Well your Nobel is ready whenever you can submit your paper for consideration, Professor!

The people who write the school textbooks have taken a few more pains than you have in the relevant areas. Can you believe that?

27 posted on 11/01/2005 7:40:49 AM PST by VadeRetro (Liberalism is a cancer on society. Creationism is a cancer on conservatism.)
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To: Nextrush
to a one-sided presentation of science

Yeah, that oppressive "has factual evidence" side. Darn them!

28 posted on 11/01/2005 7:44:43 AM PST by blowfish
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To: All

Lets get to the meat here. The liberals who want to spend
a lot of money in the Dover School Distict are trying to
win an election with union support and the ID issue. THE TAXPAYERS WILL GET THE SHAFT IF THESE PEOPLE WIN. NOT ONLY WILL THEY 'LOSE A LAWSUIT' THEY'LL ALSO BE PAYING FOR THE 19.1 PERCENT PAY RAISE, NEW BUILDINGS, ETC. THE TAXPAYERS PAY MORE IF THE LIBERALS (DOVER CARES) WIN.


29 posted on 11/01/2005 7:45:07 AM PST by Nextrush (Freedom is the "F" word for liberals)
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To: blowfish

factual evidence of global warming
factual evidence of dioxin
factual evidence of radon
factual evidence of alar in apples
factual evidence of DDT
AND THE FACTUAL EVIDENCE JUST KEEPS ON COMING...


30 posted on 11/01/2005 7:48:22 AM PST by Nextrush (Freedom is the "F" word for liberals)
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To: Nextrush
So ID should be taught...because otherwise the liberals win. Nevermind that ID isn't science and has no place in a science classroom, we just have to make sure that the liberals don't win, even when the conservatives on this particular issue are dead wrong.
31 posted on 11/01/2005 7:48:31 AM PST by Dimensio (http://angryflower.com/bobsqu.gif <-- required reading before you use your next apostrophe!)
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To: Nextrush
You didn't mind giving the taxpayers the shaft on educating the students. You do a bad thing, bad things come back.
32 posted on 11/01/2005 7:50:57 AM PST by VadeRetro (Liberalism is a cancer on society. Creationism is a cancer on conservatism.)
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To: VadeRetro

I've heard of walking a mile for a Camel cigarette, but you'd pay thousands more in property taxes just to keep ID
out of school.


33 posted on 11/01/2005 7:54:28 AM PST by Nextrush (Freedom is the "F" word for liberals)
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To: Nextrush
I would try not to let it happen here. You've been too nice.
34 posted on 11/01/2005 7:56:12 AM PST by VadeRetro (Liberalism is a cancer on society. Creationism is a cancer on conservatism.)
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To: All

I have to go to bed...I work at night so as Red Skelton
used to put it "God Bless" (pardon the expression).


35 posted on 11/01/2005 7:57:19 AM PST by Nextrush (Freedom is the "F" word for liberals)
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To: Nextrush

Why should anyone save the School Board and the voters who put them there, from the consequences (political and educational) of its actions?


36 posted on 11/01/2005 8:16:57 AM PST by furball4paws (One of the last Evil Geniuses, or the first of their return.)
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To: Nextrush
Lets get to the meat here. The liberals who want to spend a lot of money in the Dover School Distict are trying to win an election with union support and the ID issue. THE TAXPAYERS WILL GET THE SHAFT IF THESE PEOPLE WIN. NOT ONLY WILL THEY 'LOSE A LAWSUIT' THEY'LL ALSO BE PAYING FOR THE 19.1 PERCENT PAY RAISE, NEW BUILDINGS, ETC. THE TAXPAYERS PAY MORE IF THE LIBERALS (DOVER CARES) WIN.

That may be true. On the other hand, given that several members of the current school board appear to have perjured themselves, how far are you willing to go to lower your taxes? Hey, I know lots of people thought Clinton's perjury didn't matter, maybe Bonsell's and Cleaver's and Geesey's perjury don't matter either. However, if you reelect these bozos, what other imbecilities will you be paying for?

37 posted on 11/01/2005 8:39:52 AM PST by Right Wing Professor
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To: Nextrush
The science I understand most (being a journalist by training) is meteorology. And there I see the forecasts that constantly change based on current observations of barometric pressure, wind speed and direction, etc. Its very difficult to see too far into the future in meteorolgy and that's why I have to doubt how biologists can see so far into the past.

Other people can't foretell the future, therefore biologists can't tell the past. Hmmm, fine logic there.

38 posted on 11/01/2005 9:13:09 AM PST by Thatcherite (Feminized androgenous automaton euro-weenie blackguard)
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Elected-Christians-perjure-themselves placesmirker.
39 posted on 11/01/2005 9:28:25 AM PST by balrog666 (A myth by any other name is still inane.)
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To: balrog666

Again?

It's an epidemic!


40 posted on 11/01/2005 10:07:00 AM PST by furball4paws (One of the last Evil Geniuses, or the first of their return.)
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