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Obstruction for What? Libby is charged with lying about a crime that wasn't committed.
Wall Street Journal.com ^ | 29 October, 2005 | unattributed

Posted on 10/29/2005 3:10:01 AM PDT by YaYa123

Patrick Fitzgerald's investigation took nearly two years, sent a reporter to jail, cost millions of dollars, and preoccupied some of the White House's senior officials. The fruit it has now borne is the five-count indictment of I. Lewis "Scooter" Libby, the Vice President's Chief of Staff--not for leaking the name of Valerie Plame to Robert Novak, which started this entire "scandal," but for contradictions between his testimony and the testimony of two or three reporters about what he told them, when he told them, and what words he used.

Mr. Fitzgerald would not comment yesterday on whether he had evidence for the perjury, obstruction of justice and false statement counts beyond the testimonies of Mr. Libby and three journalists. Instead, he noted that a criminal investigation into a "national security matter" of this sort hinged on "very fine distinctions," and that any attempt to obscure exactly who told what to whom and when was a serious matter.

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KEYWORDS: 5countindictment; cialeak; fitzpatrick; gutless; libby; politicalhack; rove; wsj
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To: YaYa123

I guess you can say he was "Martha Stewarted".


21 posted on 10/29/2005 3:37:52 AM PDT by chalkfarmer
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To: billclintonwillrotinhell
And to Mr. Fitzgerald. And to the FBI. And to the grand jurors. If Libby intentionally lied under oath, he deserves to be in hot water. I hope Bush continues to take the high road on this case because Mr. Fitzgerald appears to be an outstanding and fair-minded prosecutor

Nonsense. Using the letter Libby sent to Miller releasing her from her oath of confidentiality as a reason for an "Obstruction of Justice" charge clearly shows Fritz lacked the guts to go out and tell the Media the truth. There is NO crime here.

So Fritz threw up anything he could dream up to prove he was "Doing his job". Just like the Delay matter. Friz proves the dangerous powers the Prosecutes have. The MINUTE they accuse a certain segment of the public ASSUMES guilt.

22 posted on 10/29/2005 3:40:56 AM PDT by MNJohnnie (I'll try to be NICER, if you will try to be SMARTER!.......Water Buckets UP!)
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To: Godebert
This Fitzgerald clown is a partisan hack in the same vein as Ronny Earle.

If that's the case, why did Fitzgerald go out of his way yesterday to stress that his case should not be used by critics of the Iraq war for their own political purposes. Face it, this prosecutor is about as good as they get when it comes to fairness, which is why he was chosen in the first place and why the White House is not going on attack.

23 posted on 10/29/2005 3:43:46 AM PDT by billclintonwillrotinhell
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To: billclintonwillrotinhell
I was very impressed with Fitzgerald's press conference

It was pathetic. A desperate attempt to rationalize his complete failure to find any crime to charge anyone with. Real courage would of been to come out and tell the Dinosaurs the truth. There is NO crime here. Sorry JUST because a Prosecutor makes an accusation does NOT mean he is being truthful. This is a Political CYA cause after the feeding frenzy, he KNEW he would get a Media ream job if he did not charge SOMEBODY with SOMETHING

24 posted on 10/29/2005 3:44:47 AM PDT by MNJohnnie (I'll try to be NICER, if you will try to be SMARTER!.......Water Buckets UP!)
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To: RavenATB

Exactly!

At the risk of offending with the example (certainly not my intent, but it's pertinent) this seems a bit like Martha Stuart being prosecuted for proclaiming her innocence to her stockholders - that's stock fraud?

Rather like basing the definition of grand larceny on a set dollar amount, as inflation slowly drops that threshold day after day. The alternative minimum tax - which becomes a lowering ceiling of taxation. We're massively over-litigated.

Bush should start, next week, to be the Alpha Male which Bill Clinton always wanted to be. He should pardon Libby, announce the construction of border fences from Brownsville to San Ysidro, from Vancouver to Bangor - nominate Janice Rogers Brown for the Supreme Court, then publicly condemn: the politics of personal destruction.

CLEARLY.

It worked for Clinton, because it was true then and it's true now.

It's consistent with Bush's management style as Governor. He needs to face up finally to the combativeness of his opponents, and clearly draw a line in the sand about it.

IMHO it will work to everyone's advantage, to point to so obvious a truth.


25 posted on 10/29/2005 3:47:06 AM PDT by Cringing Negativism Network (There's nothing sarcastic in this post. Sure there isn't. Not one bit.)
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To: MNJohnnie
So we're supposed to believe that everybody else is lying, but Libby is telling the truth? If that's the case, numerous officials from the Bush Administration would have to be lying, including the former press secretary, because they contradict Libby.

It's possible Libby was just badly mistaken, but he'll have to convince a judge or jury of that if he lets this go all the way to trial. If I was him, I'd be working on a deal. Something tells me that jury pool in D.C. isn't gonna be GOP-friendly.

26 posted on 10/29/2005 3:49:26 AM PDT by billclintonwillrotinhell
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To: YaYa123
Fitzgerald - Yesterday: "I will confirm that her association with the CIA was classified at that time through July 2003"

Fitgerald is a FLAMING IDIOT BEYOND BELIEF if at this point in time, THE MOST IMPORTANT FACT, is still unknown or uncertain. It's makes such a mockery of his much vaunted 'thoroughness'.

27 posted on 10/29/2005 3:50:02 AM PDT by AmericaUnited
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To: TheBlueMax
trying to recall those statements versus what others will recollect doesn't seem worthy of criminal prosecution. Just my opinion.

A major portion of the charges hinge on Libby's versus Russert's recollection of what they discussed.

I know I've had mistaken recollections about conversations in the past, and I know others have as well.

So when Russert says he learned about Plame only after Novak's article, well, maybe he did and maybe he didn't. His memory could be at fault (unless he has recordings, which are illegal under DC law).

It is literally a "he said, she said" sort of argument, and I'd be surprised to see it stand up in court.

28 posted on 10/29/2005 3:51:12 AM PDT by angkor
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To: MNJohnnie
It was pathetic. A desperate attempt to rationalize his complete failure to find any crime to charge anyone with. Real courage would of been to come out and tell the Dinosaurs the truth. There is NO crime here.

If that's the case, why aren't Bush and Cheney expressing outrage at the indictment? Why aren't they going to bat for their loyal aide? Why did they accept Libby's resignation almost before it was handed to them?

29 posted on 10/29/2005 3:52:41 AM PDT by billclintonwillrotinhell
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To: billclintonwillrotinhell

"I was very impressed with Fitzgerald's press conference yesterday"

I have no idea is Libby lied, forgot, twisted the truth or what. But I do know that Fitz was not impressive at this press conference. He looked nervous to the point where he looked like he was going to break down in tears. As he was explaining the case, his points were not clear. Plus, it's not too hard to make it sound like you have a good case when people are only hearing your side. My guess is that he will not look so "impressive" when he faces a team of high price lawyers.

While I agree, in general, that lying to GJ is obviously wrong, the problem I have here is that there appears to be no underlying crime and I know this all started with Joe Wilson's lies about his trip (and attempt to undermine this country's war on terror). I consider Wilson the perjurer and Libby the whistleblower.


30 posted on 10/29/2005 3:54:04 AM PDT by frankjr
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To: Cringing Negativism Network

Let me add a footnote please:

"It worked for Clinton, because it was true then and it's true now."

That is to say - there was a (massive) amount of the Politics of Personal Destruction going on - most of which was being done by Carville, Hillary, et al.

:)

Just to clarify.


31 posted on 10/29/2005 3:54:39 AM PDT by Cringing Negativism Network (There's nothing sarcastic in this post. Sure there isn't. Not one bit.)
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To: calreaganfan
In this same time period, he had a conversation with Mr. Russert, which may or may not have covered Mr. Wilson and his wife, depending on whom you believe.


Oh yeah,Timmy Russert, there is an unimpeachable source if I ever saw one...... NOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
32 posted on 10/29/2005 3:54:42 AM PDT by Nekman (The MSM has been S.O.S for decades!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)
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To: YaYa123

I think it's a complete set-up. They interview you like a Philadelphia lawyer, trap you with trick questions until you make a minor mistake and then indict you for "lying". They do that because they want to prosecute you but they don't have anything on you.

Thay did the same thing to Martha Stuart. Slimy bastards!


33 posted on 10/29/2005 3:55:25 AM PDT by RoadTest (The Bible is to change us; not us to change the Bible)
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To: YaYa123
Libby is charged with lying about a crime that wasn't committed.

Great headline!

Evidently, if Scooter hadn't lied Fitzgerald would have gone home empty?
Evidently Scooter became a criminal but not for the crime under investigation?

Weird!!!
Why didn't Fitzgerald say that plainly?

Folks, there was no Valeri Plame crime!

34 posted on 10/29/2005 3:56:16 AM PDT by ThirstyMan (hysteria: the elixir of the Left that trumps all reason)
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To: YaYa123

If he lied under oath about anything, even having sex with an intern, he deserves to be indicted.


35 posted on 10/29/2005 3:57:35 AM PDT by ovrtaxt (You nonconformists are all the same.)
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To: billclintonwillrotinhell
Why did they accept Libby's resignation almost before it was handed to them?

Why did W allow Ted Kennedy to write the education bill? Why doesn't W veto any spending bills?

Since Libby's testimony was basically that no crime was committed re: Plame, and so far it appears that no crime was committed re: Plame, he didn't obstruct justice. Maybe he should be charged with "Facilitation of Justice."

36 posted on 10/29/2005 3:59:34 AM PDT by TN4Liberty (American... conservative... southern.... It doesn't get any better than this.)
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To: calreaganfan
I have been attempting to follow along with this thing, but it only gets more confusing. It all seems more like a gossip circle in the WH than any real crime to have been committed. It also seems odd to me that knowing the MSM is infamous for releasing bad information or at best inconsistent facts, who does one choose to believe?

Add onto that there is a study out that says we only accurately recall what is said or what we said to a 20% accuracy rate. The other 80% is just not recalled accurately and is skewed with our own emotions or after the fact additional information.

So, perhaps some good Freeper here can explain this to me, if the prosecutor didn't find sufficient information to support the charges, why/how can an investigation continue? Why is Novak's source still unnamed? Didn't they question Novak? Why is reporter secrecy more important than government security? Given that Wilson's reports to the CIA and the Press are inconsistent, who is really lying here? And the British said Saddam tried to buy yellowcake, then we determined no he didn't, then it came out months later the British report was right...so, in my mind who really lied here? IMHO the investigation by the prosecutor is focused on the wrong thing and that Plame & Wilson could have committed treasonous acts by lying to the CIA, and leaking incomplete findings regarding Saddam/Niger to the press, etc?
37 posted on 10/29/2005 4:02:45 AM PDT by EBH (Never give-up, Never give-in, and Never Forget)
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To: frankjr
...the problem I have here is that there appears to be no underlying crime...

The reason we have perjury and obstruction of justice laws is so that time and money aren't wasted when people try to stop an investigation from moving forward and finding out the truth. If Libby won't tell the truth, we may never know exactly what happened in this case.

Fitzgerald was given a mandate to find out exactly how the CIA employee's name was leaked. If anybody intentionally blocked him from doing his job, there should be serious consequences.

As far as him being nervous, I noticed both him and the guy next to him seemed to be a little jittery when the press conference first got going. Considering Fitzgerald has successfully prosecuted mobsters in the past, I found it refreshing that he still gets stage fright when he goes in front of TV cameras. He seems like a down-to-earth guy who is telling the truth when he says he wants to return to his life in Chicago as soon as possible.

Fitzgerald also deserves credit for a lack of leaking by him and his staff in this case. It appears all the leaks were being made by witnesses and their lawyers, who are the only participants allowed to talk about grand jury action.

38 posted on 10/29/2005 4:04:08 AM PDT by billclintonwillrotinhell
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To: ovrtaxt
If he lied under oath about anything, even having sex with an intern, he deserves to be indicted. ...

The lie has to be material to the investigation.

If they asked him what he had for lunch, and he said "a hot dog," when in fact he'd had a chicken sandwich (and knew he was lying!), there is no crime.

This investigation was centered on who learned what about Plame, from whom, and when. The indictment charges that Libby lied about how and when HE learned about Plame.

39 posted on 10/29/2005 4:08:20 AM PDT by Cboldt
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To: frankjr
I consider Wilson the perjurer and Libby the whistleblower.

Right!
Libby was the whistleblower for Valerie Plame's nepotism which produced the Niger trip, that led to the very partisan report, that led to the very public humiliation of the Bush administration. She recommended her Democrat hubby Joe Wilson.

THAT IS THE STORY.

It wasn't a crime.
It wasn't "outing a CIA operative".
It was exposing the rank partisan bias that led to the whole story.

40 posted on 10/29/2005 4:09:15 AM PDT by ThirstyMan (hysteria: the elixir of the Left that trumps all reason)
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