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No More Stealth Picks (Stealth Nominees "Do Injustice to the Conservative Cause." PREACH It, Mona!)
TownHall.com ^ | 10/28/2005 | Mona Charen

Posted on 10/28/2005 1:31:13 AM PDT by KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle

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To: governsleastgovernsbest
"You apparently consider people who favor "self-determination" on abortion, quotas and set-asides as your "fellow conservatives." I don't."

For those who just love to trash/spin by taking a person's sentences out of context and further preventing them the opportunity to explain ....here's an update..

Oct 27th 2005

"I share your commitment to appointing judges with a conservative judicial philosophy, and I look forward to continuing to support your efforts to provide the American people judges who will interpret the law, not make it. I am most grateful for the opportunity to have served your Administration and this country."

Most respectfully,

Harriet Ellan Miers

21 posted on 10/28/2005 3:31:55 AM PDT by Earthdweller ( The day Miers withdrew , she proclaimed loyalty to conservatives...Did you see it in the news?)
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To: Cold Heat

I didn't mean to offend you or others, but in the case of set-asides and quotas, she helped push through a bar association resolution advocating them - federalism had nothing to do with it.

And when it came to "self-determination" on abortion, I read her speech, and she very clearly seemed to be expressing her own personal views on the matter.


22 posted on 10/28/2005 3:32:52 AM PDT by governsleastgovernsbest (read my posts on Today show bias at www.newsbusters.org)
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To: Earthdweller

You're basing your views of Miers' belief on a resignation letter that was probably written for her. I'm basing mine on her speeches and writings over a period of decades when she was actually speaking and writing for herself.


23 posted on 10/28/2005 3:37:19 AM PDT by governsleastgovernsbest (read my posts on Today show bias at www.newsbusters.org)
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To: governsleastgovernsbest
Well, since she never made it to the hearing, that question will never be answered.

As to the rest, the party was pretty well split on that issue back then, there was a small majority for, as legislation indicates. Since that time, we have generally moved to a position against set asides and all quotas, but are still hanging on to some uses of minority helps in education. I suspect that will continue for the foreseeable future, but minority status has changes a lot since then. It will not be too long before whites are a minority.
24 posted on 10/28/2005 3:41:01 AM PDT by Cold Heat
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To: Cold Heat

changes=changed


25 posted on 10/28/2005 3:42:24 AM PDT by Cold Heat
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle
So..where is you "perfect" conservative nominee President Kent?? Tell us who is going to get past the filibuster?

Are we to just "trust you" that you have this miraculous plan to get past the RINOs?

Bahahaha!!!

Oh..and don't forget, there are other guys on other threads who were once your allies in borking Miers that have their "perfect" candidate too...little rulers all of you.....

26 posted on 10/28/2005 3:46:33 AM PDT by Earthdweller ( The day Miers withdrew , she proclaimed loyalty to conservatives...Did you see it in the news?)
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To: Earthdweller

"I share your commitment to appointing judges with a conservative judicial philosophy"


"To further that commitment, I am unable to support a person such as myself as nominee to the Supreme Court."


27 posted on 10/28/2005 3:47:32 AM PDT by kenth (A zot! A zot! My kingdom for a zot!)
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To: governsleastgovernsbest
"You're basing your views of Miers' belief on a resignation letter that was probably written for her."

That begs the question..was the infamous "speech" that you based your decision on written by her? Hmmmmmmmmm

Thanks for bringing up that point.

28 posted on 10/28/2005 3:50:03 AM PDT by Earthdweller ( The day Miers withdrew , she proclaimed loyalty to conservatives...Did you see it in the news?)
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To: Earthdweller
Are we to just "trust you" that you have this miraculous plan to get past the RINOs?

We've already managed to "get past" the imminent threat of one being appointed to a lifetime position of supreme judicial power just in the last twenty-four hours alone, actually... so, obviously: it can be done.

Or wasn't that what you meant...?

29 posted on 10/28/2005 3:53:03 AM PDT by KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle ("It'sTime for Republicans to Start Toeing the Conservative Line, NOT the Other Way Around!")
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle
In a way, the short-lived Miers nomination might be exactly what a blatantly non-stealth conservative nominee needs to get confirmed. Conservatives let their presence be known and made it clear what we want in a Supreme court justice. Let the libs get in the way of that! (Perhaps this was all part of the Bush plan and we have we "misunderestimated" him again?)
30 posted on 10/28/2005 3:54:48 AM PDT by GBA
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To: Earthdweller

I'll have to disagree with you on this one. Miers knew too much about her personal and professional dealings with W. The Senate Dems, Reid in particular, were playiing nice because they wanted to get her into a hearing, where they planned to dredge up things like the Texas lottery info, and possibly even W's national guard info. The moonbat libs wanted this one bad. It's a good thing she withdrew, because while she could have cited attorney client privelege and separation of powers to avoid those questions, it would have played very badly in the MSM.

And the unreasonable demand for info by the Senate was the specific reason she cited for withdrawal.

But beyond that, we need to fight this one out with a proud, strong conservative. All this 'compassionate conservative' garbage has outlived it's usefulness, not to mention the 'new tone'.


31 posted on 10/28/2005 3:54:49 AM PDT by ovrtaxt (You nonconformists are all the same.)
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To: Earthdweller
ell us who is going to get past the filibuster?

The President, if he starts acting like a conservative. Remember Reagan?

32 posted on 10/28/2005 3:56:46 AM PDT by ovrtaxt (You nonconformists are all the same.)
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle
You dogged the question President Kent..do you have a guarantee that the next nominee will be a conservative who won't be filibuster?..or are we just to "trust" you?
33 posted on 10/28/2005 4:03:22 AM PDT by Earthdweller ( The day Miers withdrew , she proclaimed loyalty to conservatives...Did you see it in the news?)
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To: Earthdweller
filibuster = filibustered
34 posted on 10/28/2005 4:04:54 AM PDT by Earthdweller ( The day Miers withdrew , she proclaimed loyalty to conservatives...Did you see it in the news?)
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To: Earthdweller

Screw the filibuster!

If we had a leadership with guts, we would force the "Constitutional Option", a simple majority vote.


35 posted on 10/28/2005 4:05:10 AM PDT by ovrtaxt (You nonconformists are all the same.)
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To: Earthdweller
The day Miers withdrew, she proclaimed loyalty to conservatives...

And that proclamation is binding... how?

Would it not be reasonable to conclude that she was just telling people what they wanted to hear, and her consistent positions voiced over the years would be the most likely indicator of her future positions?

All her recent statements prove is that she can parrot talking points on a fairly consistent basis for a fairly short period of time. This is not the basis for making a lifetime appointment.

36 posted on 10/28/2005 4:10:29 AM PDT by gridlock (Nature started the fight for survival, and now she wants to quit because she's losing... Monty Burns)
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To: Earthdweller
You dogged the question President Kent

Incorrect. I "dogged" nothing. (I didn't even dodge, so far as that goes.) I answered plainly; you're just not happy with said answer.

That's a problem, certainly.

Just not mine, is all.

Real conservatives, incidentally, don't start squeaking in schoolgirl falsetto and rolling over submissively, like so many whipped spaniel puppies, whenever even the vaguest possibility of liberals threatening a filibuster is raised, beforehand.

These creatures, on the other hand, do so reflexively:

All a question of just what sort of critter you most accurately assess yourself to be, ultimately.

37 posted on 10/28/2005 4:11:32 AM PDT by KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle ("It'sTime for Republicans to Start Toeing the Conservative Line, NOT the Other Way Around!")
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To: Earthdweller
Without the ability to distinguish the finer points, your qualifications to read posts are in question.

And they were calling us elitists! Ha!

38 posted on 10/28/2005 4:13:28 AM PDT by gridlock (Nature started the fight for survival, and now she wants to quit because she's losing... Monty Burns)
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle
Good article.

But I certainly do not think nor will anyone ever convince me that President George W. Bush is afraid of a good fight.

He had proven his mettle over and over, again and again, and unlike dem president's, he had to battle the distortion and mockery by the likes of ABC, CBS and NBC as well as CNN and PBS radio EVERY TIME HE TAKES UP A TOUGH ISSUE...and then some. So he battles not only horrific, cowardly if vile islamo-facists abroad, but he battles an enemy within at home, a partisan press corp hellbent on getting their party ( in every sense of the word) boys and girls back on the throne of power.

39 posted on 10/28/2005 4:15:59 AM PDT by Republic (Michael Schiavo LIED about having a college degree on his guardianship application,)
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To: Earthdweller
That begs the question..was the infamous "speech" that you based your decision on written by her? Hmmmmmmmmm

It is much more likely that she was writing her own stuff when she was a reletive nobody back in Texas than when she is embroiled in a contentious confirmation battle and has been front page of every newspaper for the last two weeks. Don't you think?

Though I will allow as to how she probably answered the first questionaire from the Senate Judiciary Committee herself. That fiasco pretty much put an end to letting Harriet Miers speak for herself.

40 posted on 10/28/2005 4:18:36 AM PDT by gridlock (Nature started the fight for survival, and now she wants to quit because she's losing... Monty Burns)
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