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David Frum's Diary for October 24, 2005: NEXT STEP
National Review ^ | October 24, 2005 | David Frum

Posted on 10/24/2005 6:03:59 PM PDT by Cautor

The campaign to urge the withdrawal of Harriet Miers has moved to the next level. Two new groups have stepped forward: WithdrawMiers.org (http://www.withdrawmiers.org/) is a consortium of social conservative groups that will encourage members to write directly to their representatives in Congress.

Some friends of mine and I meanwhile have organized Americans for Better Justice (http://www.betterjustice.com/default.php?page_id=1) which has raised money for a national television and radio advertising campaign to urge the withdrawal of the nomination of Harriet Miers. You will be able to see our spots very shortly on the site. They will be airing this week on "Special Report with Brit Hume," "Fox and Friends," the Rush Limbaugh program, the Laura Ingraham program, among other places.

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There is a very great deal at stake. The seat to which the president has nominated Harriet Miers has been the court's swing seat on a range of issues from same-sex marriage to racial gerrymandering, from religious liberty to federalism. It is too important to be shrugged off - and it is reckless to suggest (as some of my email correspondents are suggesting) that this is a job that can be done by pretty much anybody with a tablespoon of common sense. On the contrary, reversing 4 decades of bad jurisprudence will take very uncommon levels of courage, ability, integrity, and independence. Conservatives have worked too hard for too long to settle for anything less than our very best on the Supreme Court. Please join me and BetterJustice.com in pressing the president to reconsider and do better.


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KEYWORDS: bush; frum; miers; scotus
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To: FreeReign
Rush hasn't decided if she is a conservative or not. You're irrational.

You think this is a revelation? We don't know what Miers is - that is the whole problem. Rush points this out as his reason for being disappointed with the nomination.

"This woman could end up being fabulous,” Rush acknowledged, but asked: "Why do we have to take the risk? Why do we have to roll the dice?”

When did I ever say that Rush said that she wasn't conservative? I said that he was against the pick and was disappointed. I have backed that up.

161 posted on 10/24/2005 10:07:00 PM PDT by JeffAtlanta
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To: onyx

One op-ed piece I had read some time ago said that Rush built that bandwagon, and everyone (the pundits) left without him. Which put in simple terms, best describes Rush to a 'T'. His views change over time.


162 posted on 10/24/2005 10:08:31 PM PDT by BigSkyFreeper ("Tucker Carlson could reveal himself as a castrated, lesbian, rodeo clown ...wouldn't surprise me")
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To: onyx
JMJ. It's so damn simple.

It was so simple that it took multiple posts to figure it out.

163 posted on 10/24/2005 10:09:37 PM PDT by JeffAtlanta
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To: JeffAtlanta

You needed the attention...lol.


164 posted on 10/24/2005 10:10:15 PM PDT by onyx ((Vicksburg, MS) North is a direction. South is a way of life.)
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To: JeffAtlanta
When did I ever say that Rush said that she wasn't conservative?

You haven't. You've posted dated quotes from Rush that support your side of the argument. The rest of us have seen his metamorphosis over time.

165 posted on 10/24/2005 10:10:15 PM PDT by BigSkyFreeper ("Tucker Carlson could reveal himself as a castrated, lesbian, rodeo clown ...wouldn't surprise me")
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To: BigSkyFreeper

Rush "gets it."

He saves his attacks and venom for democrats.


166 posted on 10/24/2005 10:11:06 PM PDT by onyx ((Vicksburg, MS) North is a direction. South is a way of life.)
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To: BigSkyFreeper
"She has a set of ideas or beliefs, just like any other living breathing human being."

That she keeps to herself to an obssessive degree, according to Miers associates interviewed by John Fund.

167 posted on 10/24/2005 10:11:07 PM PDT by TAdams8591 (It's the Supreme Court, stupid!)
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To: Cautor

No, that's NRO's link title, not his. When you click on the link, it takes you to "Next Step".


168 posted on 10/24/2005 10:12:39 PM PDT by skr (Shopping for a tagline that fits or a fitting tagline...whichever I find first.)
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To: JeffAtlanta; onyx
It was so simple that it took multiple posts to figure it out.

Because you have chosen a position and taken root. Whereas onyx and I have pretty much remained "neutral" or open-minded for the most part throughout. That's why I find it laughable that Harry Reid, and a left winged organization, have come out in favor of her, when they spent most of the past 2 years torpedoing candidates to-and-fro.

169 posted on 10/24/2005 10:14:44 PM PDT by BigSkyFreeper ("Tucker Carlson could reveal himself as a castrated, lesbian, rodeo clown ...wouldn't surprise me")
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To: BigSkyFreeper
Rush is "split" by the fact he's not thrilled with this nominee, yet by the same token, wants to see the process through to the end, whereby she gets a fair hearing and a fair up and down vote.

A person can be against or disappointed with the nomination but still want the process to run to the end. Those aren't mutually exclusive.

Rush was disappointed from day one but held out hope that Bush was doing some sort of strategery.

To be clear, many who are disappointed with the nomination want Miers to withdraw so that the conservative movement is not damaged by the resulting repercussions of the nomination hearings.

170 posted on 10/24/2005 10:14:49 PM PDT by JeffAtlanta
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To: BigSkyFreeper
You haven't. You've posted dated quotes from Rush that support your side of the argument.

They were dated specifically because you or the other poster claimed that Rush was split from "day one". Therefore, "day one" quotes are the only ones appropriate.

I didn't miss the "metamorphosis" - in fact I predicted it here on FR before it ever happened.

171 posted on 10/24/2005 10:17:09 PM PDT by JeffAtlanta
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To: JeffAtlanta
A person can be against or disappointed with the nomination but still want the process to run to the end. Those aren't mutually exclusive.

Yes they are. You can't have it both ways.

Rush was disappointed from day one but held out hope that Bush was doing some sort of strategery.

Right.

To be clear, many who are disappointed with the nomination want Miers to withdraw so that the conservative movement is not damaged by the resulting repercussions of the nomination hearings.

I think it will be damaged if the process is undermined and Bush is left to please both sides of the aisle. The damage and dangerous precedent you and your cohorts have inflicted has been done. The Democrats don't want a nominee who is known to be "outside the mainstream", you don't want an unknown quantity, and we all don't want a Liberal, so what's left is the squishy middle.

172 posted on 10/24/2005 10:18:52 PM PDT by BigSkyFreeper ("Tucker Carlson could reveal himself as a castrated, lesbian, rodeo clown ...wouldn't surprise me")
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To: JeffAtlanta
I didn't miss the "metamorphosis" - in fact I predicted it here on FR before it ever happened.

You need to stop dabbling in tarot cards, crystal balls, trickery, spookery, and kookery. It gets you in trouble every time.

173 posted on 10/24/2005 10:20:04 PM PDT by BigSkyFreeper ("Tucker Carlson could reveal himself as a castrated, lesbian, rodeo clown ...wouldn't surprise me")
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To: BigSkyFreeper
Because you have chosen a position and taken root. Whereas onyx and I have pretty much remained "neutral" or open-minded for the most part throughout.

My position on this topic has nothing to do with Miers withdrawing. I mentioned, in passing, that Rush was originally against the nomination. I never said that he called for a withdrawal - I don't know why you guys keep trying to make the two of them equivalent.

Regardless, he was against it originally as I have pointed out that he was in his own words, "disapointed" and that the nomination was made from weakness.

174 posted on 10/24/2005 10:20:15 PM PDT by JeffAtlanta
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To: JeffAtlanta
We don't know what Miers is - that is the whole problem.

Good. So then you agree that all of the other BS I hear around here is not the problem.

She's been criticized because she's an SMU grad, a so-called secretary, a crony, a person who doesn't know the Constitution, a person who isn't smart enough, somebody who isn't conservative enough, somebody who isn't an originalist...yada, yada, yada.

175 posted on 10/24/2005 10:23:06 PM PDT by FreeReign
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To: Cautor
I see her nomination as a spearhead that will pierce the gang of 14's bridgehead allowing two dozen worthy justices to breakthrough NARAL "Right-to-Take-Life" line.
176 posted on 10/24/2005 10:24:21 PM PDT by TeleStraightShooter (When Frist exercises his belated Constitutional "Byrd option", Reid will have a "Nuclear Reaction".)
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To: BigSkyFreeper
Me: A person can be against or disappointed with the nomination but still want the process to run to the end. Those aren't mutually exclusive.

You: Yes they are. You can't have it both ways.

No, a person can be disapointed with the nomination but be resigned to chalking it up a missed opportunity and hoping for the best. I believe that is how Rush felt - at least initially.

177 posted on 10/24/2005 10:24:23 PM PDT by JeffAtlanta
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To: JeffAtlanta
I mentioned, in passing, that Rush was originally against the nomination. I never said that he called for a withdrawa

No one disputes that.

I don't know why you guys keep trying to make the two of them equivalent.

Probably because you're confused by your own posts. I have no problem understanding your posts or the position you have taken since "day one". Your position hasn't changed, mine hasn't either (in fact I still remain open-minded and welcome the hearings), Rush's has, he's finally come to his senses and realizes that your position is based on pure self-involved emotion alone.

178 posted on 10/24/2005 10:25:01 PM PDT by BigSkyFreeper ("Tucker Carlson could reveal himself as a castrated, lesbian, rodeo clown ...wouldn't surprise me")
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To: JeffAtlanta
No, a person can be disapointed with the nomination but be resigned to chalking it up a missed opportunity and hoping for the best. I believe that is how Rush felt - at least initially.

Personally I don't care what Rush thinks or feels, it's you that I have an issue with. You've firmly placed yourself in the "unqualified, Bush toady, donut fetching, 3rd rate college attending, crony" camp with your outrageous irrelevant nonsense from "day one".

179 posted on 10/24/2005 10:28:12 PM PDT by BigSkyFreeper ("Tucker Carlson could reveal himself as a castrated, lesbian, rodeo clown ...wouldn't surprise me")
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To: FreeReign
She's been criticized because she's an SMU grad, a so-called secretary, a crony, a person who doesn't know the Constitution, a person who isn't smart enough, somebody who isn't conservative enough, somebody who isn't an originalist...yada, yada, yada.

She's been criticized on those points because of her lack of qualifications.

To be clear, I am against the nomination because she doesn't have a judicial track record. I don't care as much about how she ruled but how she came upon the decision. Did she apply the laws as they were intended or did she let her own personal and political view play into the decision. We don't know and will never know because she doesn't have any track record.

This has been the problem with earlier Republican presidents. Rather than looking at how a person came to a ruling, they only cared about what the actual ruling was. If a person ruled against abortion then they were ok - if they didn't then they weren't. It's more complex than that. A ruling favorable to abortion may have been the correct decision depending on the relevant laws and circumstances.

Judicial activists are dangerous and we have to make sure whe don't put one on the court.

We got lucky, really lucky, with Rhenquist. Why roll the dice?

180 posted on 10/24/2005 10:31:40 PM PDT by JeffAtlanta
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