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To: Millee
This particular congregation and its pastor are whacked.

Leaving threatening letters on people's private property is not cool.

3 posted on 10/20/2005 11:12:14 AM PDT by wideawake (God bless our brave troops and their Commander-in-Chief)
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To: wideawake
Leaving threatening letters on people's private property is not cool.

If the letter were actually threatening, you can bet your dupa they'd have quoted it. So we know that it wasn't threatening--the lady reading it merely "felt threatened". There's a big difference. She's exercising property rights; the pastor is exercising free-speach rights; only an idiot (and a reporter) could get together and construe that the two were somehow mutually exclusive.

6 posted on 10/20/2005 11:15:25 AM PDT by Shalom Israel (Pray for the peace of Jerusalem.)
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To: wideawake

"Leaving threatening letters on people's private property is not cool."

Threatening? How is this threatening?

I think it was poor taste and judgment, but threatening seems to be a great exxageration.


8 posted on 10/20/2005 11:17:15 AM PDT by Preachin' (Enoch's testimony was that he pleased God: Why are we still here?)
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To: wideawake

I must have missed the "threatening" part of the letter too. From what I read the flier simply expressed a viewpoint of Halloween. Next time someone hands me a PETA flyer or shows up at my door asking for donations to the Sierra Club I guess I can have them arrested for "threatening" me.

Is it "cool" to believe Halloween is bad? No, not in my opinion. But last time I checked there was nothing illegal about being uncool.


10 posted on 10/20/2005 11:17:53 AM PDT by sanemom
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To: wideawake
The same church is also sponsoring one of those "Hell House" things for Halloween

http://www.thehop-e.com/events.cfm

14 posted on 10/20/2005 11:19:46 AM PDT by Heyworth
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To: wideawake

Where did it say the flyer was threatening?

It sounds like over reaction on both sides.

Halloween has been effectively co-opted as have a number of pagan traditions.. from Yule logs the dates of Christian holidays... a pretty good job,actually.


15 posted on 10/20/2005 11:19:46 AM PDT by gondramB (Conservatism is a positive doctrine. Reactionaryism is a negative doctrine.)
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To: wideawake

The article didn't say the letter was actually threatening, just that the woman found it so. It doesn't sound like the church actually threatened to send them to hell, just made them aware of their ultimate destination. ;-)


20 posted on 10/20/2005 11:22:03 AM PDT by kenth (There were only a few thousand hippies marching, but it smelled like half a million.)
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To: wideawake

Was there anything -- other than this lady's say-so --- which indicates that the flyer was in fact threatening?


37 posted on 10/20/2005 11:32:02 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (Live and Let Live)
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To: wideawake

Agreed,
what they did was wrong.


38 posted on 10/20/2005 11:32:27 AM PDT by najida (The internet is for kids grown up-- Where else could you have 10,000 imaginary friends?)
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To: wideawake

"Leaving threatening letters..."

Did the article actually say the letter was "treatening"? I expect it was more informational than threatening. If the truth upsets them, well... the truth upsets all of us at different times throughout our lives. We move on.


60 posted on 10/20/2005 11:45:34 AM PDT by MayflowerMadam
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To: wideawake
Leaving threatening letters on people's private property is not cool.

That's right. Finding a flyer on their door might cause them to become very, very, very upset and feel offended.

They might even have to call the cops and have an alarm system installed. LMAO!

66 posted on 10/20/2005 11:49:07 AM PDT by San Jacinto
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To: wideawake

"Threatening"? Have you seen the text of the flyer?


79 posted on 10/20/2005 11:54:21 AM PDT by Theo
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To: wideawake

"not cool"

ha ha. funny.


88 posted on 10/20/2005 11:58:37 AM PDT by WriteOn (Truth)
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To: wideawake
" Leaving threatening letters on people's private property is not cool."

I agree with you, but how do you know the letter was threatening? The lady said it made her "feel" threatened, but that could just be hyper-sensitivity or exageration on her part.

109 posted on 10/20/2005 12:07:45 PM PDT by Pablo64 ("Everything I say is fully substantiated by my own opinion.")
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To: wideawake
Leaving threatening letters on people's private property is not cool.

It's also not groovy.

117 posted on 10/20/2005 12:10:13 PM PDT by judgeandjury
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To: wideawake
This particular congregation and its pastor are whacked. Leaving threatening letters on people's private property is not cool.

Threatening? Warning them perhaps, but the threat, if any, comes from God. The Church was merely expressing a warning that Halloween is not entirely just another innocent benign holiday.

I suspect that the flyer was something like this:

An Invitation to the Occult?
Halloween - 1997
by Chuck Missler


This is always a difficult time for Christians, especially those with children. It has been suggested that for a Christian to be asked to celebrate Halloween is like asking a Holocaust survivor to celebrate Hitler's birthday!

It is also a dangerous time for some, since many of the seemingly "harmless" involvements associated with Halloween can also be "entries" for the occult, and can prove very tragic for the unwary.

Pagan Background

In ancient Britain and Ireland, the Celtic festival of Samhain was observed on October 31, the end of summer. November 1 was the new year for both Celtic and Anglo-Saxon calendars and was one of the most important and yet sinister calendar festivals of the Celtic Year.

Settling in northern France and the British Isles, the Celtic people engaged in occultic arts and worshiped nature, giving it supernatural, animistic qualities. (Much like our Federal government is attempting to enforce today.)

The ancient Druids were the learned priestly class of the Celtic religion. Many of their beliefs and practices were similar to those of Hinduism, such as reincarnation and the transmigration of the soul, which teaches that people may be reborn as animals. The Druids believed that on October 31, the night before their New Year and the last day of the old year, Samhain, the Lord of Death, gathered the souls of the evil dead who had been condemned to enter the bodies of animals.

The Druids also believed that the punishment of the evil dead would be lightened by sacrifices, prayers and gifts to the Lord of Death. (This begins to reveal the strange link between this holiday and the non-Biblical concept of purgatory.)

The souls of the dead were supposed to revisit their homes on this day, and the autumnal festival acquired a sinister significance, with ghosts, witches, hobgoblins, black cats, fairies, and demons of all kinds said to be roaming about. It was the time to placate the supernatural powers controlling the processes of nature.

And, on October 31, 1517, Martin Luther drove a stake into the heart of many of the prevailing non-Biblical concepts by nailing his famous 95 theses to the Castle Church door in Wittenberg, Germany, which started the movement known today as the Reformation-the single most important event in modern history.1 Appropriately, he did this on Halloween.

Modern Halloween Traditions

In early American history, Halloween was not widely practiced until the 20th century, when it was introduced by the Irish Catholic settlements. Gradually, Halloween became a secular observance, and many customs and practices developed. The carved pumpkin may have originated with the witches' use of a skull with a candle inside to light the way to coven meetings.

Since 1965 UNICEF, an agency of the United Nations, has attempted to incorporate into the Halloween observance the collection of money for the United Nations Children's Fund. This exploitation by the ungodly United Nations of this pagan holiday seems strangely appropriate.

The Occult is Increasingly Popular

Halloween is, for many, a "crossover" involvement in which innocent games can lead to serious entanglement with real witches, neo-pagans, New Agers, and other occultists.2 A common pastime is the use of a Ouija board to attempt to contact ghosts or spirits that are believed to be roaming about. This can lead to serious consequences including demon possession.3 Demons have a vested interest in Halloween because it supports the occult, and it also offers novel and unexpected opportunities to control and influence people.

Forms of the occult can include mediums, channelers, clairvoyants, psychics, spiritists, diviners, mystics, gurus, shamans, psychical researchers, Yogis, psychic and holistic healers, astral travel, astrology, mysticism, Ouija boards, Tarot cards, contact with the dead, UFOs, and thousands of other practices which almost defy cataloging.

Occultism includes Satanism, astrology, Kabbalah, Gnosticism, theosophy, witchcraft and many forms of serious magic. It includes activities seeking the acquisition of "hidden" things-which are expressly forbidden by God in the Bible.

The Biblical View

Halloween practices can open the door to the occult and can introduce forces into people's lives that they are not equipped to combat.4 There is genuine power in the occult, but it is demonic power.5

Any serious study of Biblical demonology will reveal Satan as the power behind false religion, witchcraft, idolatry and the occult.6 The Word of God makes it clear that these are all to be shunned as dangerous. There were many superstitions and false concepts in ancient Israel about which the Bible is silent. However, occultism, in any form, was punishable by death! Why?

The spiritual power and reality behind idols involves demons.7 The Bible commands us to shun occult practices. Mediums and spiritists are expressly prohibited.8 Nowhere are such practices acceptable.

A Halloween Project?

Every year, many people are perplexed as to how to deal with the children's celebrations surrounding Halloween. On the one hand, participating in the perpetuation of the usual pagan (and occultic) rituals are hardly the enterprise of a Biblical Christian. On the other hand, creating constructive alternatives can be challenging.

Many churches and families organize a "Harvest" festival with games, prizes, etc., as an alternative party opportunity. These are gaining widespread interest and are to be encouraged.

Organizing a drama event to involve the older children is an alternative candidate; such an effort could include Saul and the Witch of Endor, from 1 Samuel 28, as a play.

[The winning scripts resulting from a play-writing contest held a few years ago are available through K-House.]

Your Protection

Intellect alone is insufficient. "If it were possible, it would deceive the very elect." This is another example of the necessity to truly understand the Armor of God as outlined in Ephesians 6. This brief review was excerpted from our featured briefing package, Halloween: Invitation to the Occult?

* * *

Sources:

Missler, Chuck, Signs in the Heavens, The Mysteries of the Planet Mars Halloween: Invitation to the Occult? (briefing packages), Koinonia House, 1991-6.

Ankerberg, John, and Weldon, John, The Facts on Halloween, Harvest House, Eugene OR, 1996. A key reference for this article.

Sykes, Egerton, Who's Who in Non-Classical Mythology, J.M. Dent, London, 1993.

Patten, Donald Wesley, Catastrophism and the Old Testament, Pacific Meridian Publishing Co., Seattle WA, 1995.

Encyclopedia of New Age Beliefs, Harvest House, Eugene OR, 1996.

Also the video, Halloween: Trick or Treat, Jeremiah Films, Hemet CA

This article was originally published in the
October 1997 Personal Update NewsJournal.

For a FREE 1-Year Subscription, click here.


**NOTES**

  1. Manuscript by his son D. Paul Luther preserved in the library at Rudolstadt, quoted by F.W. Boreham in A Bunch of Everlastings or Texts That Made History, Judson Press, Philadelphia, 1920, p.20.
  2. See Encyclopedia of New Age Beliefs, Harvest House, Eugene OR, 1996.
  3. The case studies underlying William Blatty's The Exorcist indicate that the trouble all began with a child playing with a Ouija board.
  4. Russ Parker, Battling the Occult, Inter-Varsity Press, Downer's Grove IL, 1990, p.35.
  5. Isa 47:9; Mt 24:24; Acts 8:7; 13:6-11; 16:16-19; 19:18-20; 2 Cor 4:4; Eph 6:7-11, 22; 2 Tim 3:8.
  6. Deut 32:16,17; Ps 106:35-40; Acts 16:16-19; 1 Cor 10:19-21; 2 Thess 2:9, 10; 1 Tim 4:1f.
  7. 1 Cor 10:20; Ps 106:37.
  8. Lev 19:31; Deut 18:10, 11, 14 2 Chr 33:6.

122 posted on 10/20/2005 12:11:48 PM PDT by P-Marlowe
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To: wideawake

>Leaving threatening letters on people's private property is not cool.<

And you can support your claim they did this with some evidence.


218 posted on 10/20/2005 1:29:47 PM PDT by Blessed
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To: wideawake

Pepperell High School in Lindale, GA has a dragon for a mascot: Pepperell Dragons. An extremist church opened up in an old store building just down the street. The pastor posted a message on his marquee about how Satan was named Dragon, and his name was invoked wherever that name was uplifted. He also slammed the Masons across the street. Free speech? Absolutely....Idiocy? Even more so. The community wasn't pleased.


337 posted on 10/21/2005 2:35:12 AM PDT by SALChamps03
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To: wideawake
This particular congregation and its pastor are whacked. Leaving threatening letters on people's private property is not cool.

Do you have some info that is not included in the post? Drawing conclusions with insufficient information is not cool either.

388 posted on 10/21/2005 11:05:38 AM PDT by 70times7 (An open mind is a cesspool of thought)
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To: wideawake

In essence, the 'anti-Hallowe'en crusade' is a Puritan/Fundamentalist campaign. This 'celebration of the Devil' stuff is over the top--and granted, some H'een stuff IS over the top.

But to deny the existence of devils and Purgatory-bound souls who cry for prayers and sacrifice---is also to deny the reality of Hell, and the Communion of Saints, celebrated by the Church on November 1 and November 2.

Oddly enough, some "uber-Catholic" types are also demanding that typical Hall'een decorations be banned.


419 posted on 10/22/2005 8:19:54 AM PDT by ninenot (Minister of Membership, Tomas Torquemada Gentlemen's Club)
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To: wideawake

Do you have a copy of the letter or some other news article that shows the church left a threatening letter?

I don't see that in the report above.

It was a flyer, it was opposed to Halloween, it was from a church, and I will guess that it told people they were against God if they were for Halloween.

A threatening letter says "I'm going to break your arm, injure you, something...


440 posted on 10/30/2005 5:11:27 AM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It!)
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