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Big Girls Don't Cry (Women Crying in the Workplace)
New York Times ^ | October 13, 2005 | STEPHANIE ROSENBLOOM

Posted on 10/15/2005 8:17:02 PM PDT by nickcarraway

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To: sageb1

I don't remember Hillry crying; Bill cried so often, I can barely single each occiurence out.


21 posted on 10/15/2005 8:45:24 PM PDT by nickcarraway (I'm Only Alive, Because a Judge Hasn't Ruled I Should Die...)
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To: jocon307

Well it's ok to cry in the bathroom :')


22 posted on 10/15/2005 8:50:37 PM PDT by CindyDawg (This post has been spell check approved)
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To: jocon307
I mean no offense, but your comment and your tagline seem to be in conflict.

LOL. No offense taken.

I truly do not take business personally, nor do I expect other rational creatures to. Business is nothing more than a complex game to win dollars. Investing significant quantities of emotion into it betrays a lack of perspective and an absence of self-control. I've never personally seen a problem with this; both the men and women that I work with are tough as nails and have the appropriate attitude toward these kinds of things. Periodic losses are to be expected and nothing to be ashamed of.

My tagline has far more to do with my time spent arguing on FreeRepublic than as a view of business. It is little more than a wistful view of the passing of life, something to think about after a fine drink or two on any given evening.

23 posted on 10/15/2005 8:51:11 PM PDT by tortoise (All these moments lost in time, like tears in the rain.)
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To: tortoise

I hate seeing guys cry all the time.


24 posted on 10/15/2005 8:52:51 PM PDT by CindyDawg (This post has been spell check approved)
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To: jocon307

Actually, one of the lines in some poetry I wrote once described a woman who..."laughs way more than she cries, but when she cries, cries way louder than she laughs"

If a dame don't cry, I don't trust her...


25 posted on 10/15/2005 8:57:41 PM PDT by djf (Government wants the same things I do - MY guns, MY property, MY freedoms!)
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To: CindyDawg
I hate seeing guys cry all the time.

Heh. You and me both.

It is not that I do not have emotions it is more that I must be strong as steel always, for myself but more importantly for others. No matter what happens or how bad things get, people expect me to be a rock and gain strength from the fact that I remain as such under the most adverse of conditions. That is one of the burdens real men must carry for the benefit of others, but requires a fortitude and constitution that few appreciate.

26 posted on 10/15/2005 9:04:41 PM PDT by tortoise (All these moments lost in time, like tears in the rain.)
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To: CindyDawg

I have been known to cry at the Movies, I even teared up over a Commercial once.


27 posted on 10/15/2005 9:06:34 PM PDT by TexasTransplant (NEMO ME IMPUNE LACESSET)
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To: apackof2

"And there's no crying in baseball either"

Which is a funny thing because baseball players (and cowboys) cry at the drop of a hat.


28 posted on 10/15/2005 9:10:06 PM PDT by TalBlack
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To: nickcarraway

Too many teardrops for one heart to be cryin'
Too many teardrops for one heart
To carry on
You're gonna cry ninety-six tears
You're gonna cry ninety-six tears
You're gonna cry cry, cry, cry, now
You're gonna cry cry, cry, cry
Ninety-six tears c'mon and lemme hear you cry, now
Ninety-six tears (whoo!) I wanna hear you cry
Night and day, yeah, all night long
Uh-ninety-six tears cry cry cry
C'mon baby, let me hear you cry now, all night long
Uh-ninety-six tears! Yeah! C'mon now
Uh-ninety-six tears!


29 posted on 10/15/2005 9:10:12 PM PDT by fizziwig
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To: tortoise

I used to have a horrible boss. He must have thought I had a bladder about the size of a pea. Whenever he would upset me and I felt I was losing control I would quietly excuse myself to go to the bathroom. One day the jerk made me cry. Afterwards I looked in the mirror to fix my face and all I could think about was how crying made the green in my eyes sparkle and how pretty they were. He just looked at me when I came out laughing.


30 posted on 10/15/2005 9:11:33 PM PDT by CindyDawg (This post has been spell check approved)
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To: tortoise

What happens when you get bad news at work, like someone dying?

I don't think people thought less of me when I went into my office to cry while my brother was going through surgery for cancer.

I don't think people thought less of me when I had tears in my eyes when I had to tell about my 3 miscarriages.

I certainly didn't think less of anyone for crying in the workplace if it was for a good reason.


31 posted on 10/15/2005 9:15:03 PM PDT by luckystarmom
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To: nickcarraway
I must admit to crying at work when I was laid off from my second job in a year. (I didn't cry the first time- and I had been at that company for six years when they closed the department.) To this day, I feel horribly embarrassed. I didn't sob, but the tears started flowing down my face without my permission!
32 posted on 10/15/2005 9:15:23 PM PDT by conservative cat
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To: TexasTransplant

I only cry when I get mad and then I get madder because I'm crying:')


33 posted on 10/15/2005 9:15:54 PM PDT by CindyDawg (This post has been spell check approved)
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To: All
Didn't Laura Tyson, a key National Economic Advisor to President Clinton break down crying under "tough" questioning by a Senate committee? I cannot find a source.

I do clearly remember one Clinton official breaking down and crying which startled the Senators. They eased up and the official sailed through the rest of the testimony.

I may be wrong about Ms Tyson but I believe that it was her.

34 posted on 10/15/2005 9:18:44 PM PDT by WilliamofCarmichael (Hillary is the she in shenanigans.)
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To: conservative cat

I cried when I found out my grandmother died.

My dad had open heart surgery right after I graduated from college. I had just started working, and my company had sent me on a business trip for a month.

My parents told me not to come home for the surgery. Well, my dad almost died. I had a horrible time getting a flight home, and I was in tears all day long worrying.

I don't think anyone thought less of me for crying.

Now, I never cried for things like people making me mad.

I also worked where Richard Farley came in and shot up the place (ESL in Sunnyvale). He killed 7 of our co-workers. We all got used to seeing our co-workers crying, including most of the evecutives. We had to endure memorial services, police interviews, and just working in the place. Everyone was emotional.


35 posted on 10/15/2005 9:21:21 PM PDT by luckystarmom
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To: CindyDawg
Afterwards I looked in the mirror to fix my face and all I could think about was how crying made the green in my eyes sparkle and how pretty they were. He just looked at me when I came out laughing.

I am firmly convinced that the rest of the world is insanely jealous of our green eyes (being a green eyed scoundrel myself). If you have green eyes you have everything, and there is little that can happen that will take that magic away.

36 posted on 10/15/2005 9:22:46 PM PDT by tortoise (All these moments lost in time, like tears in the rain.)
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To: tortoise
Mine are hazel but when I cry or get upset they look like emeralds. I would go around crying all the time just for my eyes ,if a splotched face wasn't part of the package.:')
37 posted on 10/15/2005 9:27:21 PM PDT by CindyDawg (This post has been spell check approved)
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To: CindyDawg

On the subject of guys crying...I just watched one of the reruns of 'King of the Hill'...Peggy drags Hank to a chick flick, and he resents going...his truck was on the verge of breaking down for good(it was only 20yrs after all)...in the chick flick Hank starts to cry, but denies he is crying...

When he remembers the movie, while driving his sick truck, he starts to cry again...Peggy tries to analyze why he is crying...as usual she is wrong...

Hank is crying over the fact that his truck is on its last legs...it then becomes totally destroyed when a train hits it, because it broke down on the railroad crossing..

I guess, for some men, the 'death' of their vehicle, can bring them to tears...


38 posted on 10/15/2005 9:33:07 PM PDT by andysandmikesmom
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To: sageb1; jan in Colorado
I'm surprised anyone at the NY Times would print such a truism.

You must have missed the relevant 9th Circus Court of Appeals' ruling in September, as reported on FR from a legal newsletter now cached here? The NYT isn't going soft...it's all part of the Master Plan...

Screaming and yelling by men at work may now be sex-based discrimination if women at work find the behavior more intimidating than men do.

On September 2, 2005, in E.E.O.C. v. National Education Association, (No. 04-35029), the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals ruled that the “reasonable woman” standard applies to workplace abusive conduct, even if there is no sexual content to the behavior.

Three women working for a labor union, the National Education Association, sued for gender discrimination claiming that the NEA created a sex-based hostile work environment for them through the conduct of an interim assistant executive director who frequently “screamed” at female employees in a loud and profane manner, with little or no provocation, shook his fists at them, stood behind an employee as she worked, and lunged across the table at another.

The conduct was not sexual, nor was it marked by sexual language, gender-specific words, sexual stereotypes, or sexual overtures.

While there was evidence that the same director raised his voice with men on occasion, and once frightened a male subordinate, male employees seemed to deal with that abuse with banter, and did not express the same fear of the director, did not cry, become panicked or feel physically threatened, avoid contact with the director, call the police, or ultimately resign, as did one woman.
Only way the Left can admit the truth is if they can create a new class of victimhood.
39 posted on 10/15/2005 9:35:27 PM PDT by Gondring (I'll give up my right to die when hell freezes over my dead body!)
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To: luckystarmom
What happens when you get bad news at work, like someone dying? I certainly didn't think less of anyone for crying in the workplace if it was for a good reason.

Perhaps, but the ramifications depend on your position. I personally have a reputation for being utterly imperturbable that is valuable to me on many levels. People deeply trust me precisely because I can carry on and do what needs to be done under the most adverse of conditions.

Because of my apparent strength, people are willing to entrust me with a great deal, knowing that I will not yield out of emotional weakness or insecurity. People know I have emotions, but they also see that it never interferes with my decisions or ability to execute. This is very comforting to others, to see me take the full force of the blows that life offers while never waivering. It is a choice I have made and a necessary role in society. I do it so that others do not have to.

It is not easy, but I have the constitution for it. There may yet be a day when something breaches that barrier.

40 posted on 10/15/2005 9:36:21 PM PDT by tortoise (All these moments lost in time, like tears in the rain.)
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