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Big Girls Don't Cry (Women Crying in the Workplace)
New York Times ^ | October 13, 2005 | STEPHANIE ROSENBLOOM

Posted on 10/15/2005 8:17:02 PM PDT by nickcarraway

WHEN women first joined the executive ranks of corporate America a generation ago, they donned sober slacks and button-down shirts. They carried standard-issue briefcases and adopted their male colleagues' stoicism.

More than two decades later, women have stopped trying to behave like men, trading in drab briefcases for handbags and embracing men's wear only if it is tailored to their curves. Yet there is one taboo from the earlier, prefeminist workplace that endures: women are not allowed to cry at the office. It is a potentially career-marring mistake that continues to be seen as a sign of weakness or irrationality, no less by women themselves than by men.

For evidence consider a recent episode of NBC's "Apprentice: Martha Stewart," in which a young woman whose team had just lost a flower-selling contest told Ms. Stewart that she felt like crying. Her admission elicited no sympathy from her prospective employer, only blunt career advice.

"Cry and you are out of here," Ms. Stewart said. "Women in business don't cry, my dear."

Women in politics don't either, judging by Geena Davis's performance as the steely Mackenzie Allen on ABC's "Commander in Chief." Discussing the pilot episode, in which Allen navigates a political minefield to ascend to the office of president of the United States, Ms. Davis told a reporter from The Chicago Sun-Times, "I did not cry in my pilot - no!"

For reasons both biological and social, scientists and sociologists say, women are more inclined than men to feel the urge to cry when they are frustrated. Yet Martha Stewart is not the only woman executive who expects her underlings to remain dry-eyed. Many other workplace veterans also impose the rule and through seminars, books, Web sites and private conversations, recommend tricks for how to follow it.

(Excerpt) Read more at nytimes.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Constitution/Conservatism; Extended News; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events; US: New York
KEYWORDS: marthastewart; senatorvoinovich; women; workplace
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1 posted on 10/15/2005 8:17:05 PM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: nickcarraway

As someone who has considered myself a business woman for 30 years, I must state that the rule is: NO CRYING AT WORK!


2 posted on 10/15/2005 8:20:01 PM PDT by jocon307
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To: nickcarraway

And there's no crying in baseball either


3 posted on 10/15/2005 8:21:49 PM PDT by apackof2 (There's two theories to arguin' with a woman. Neither one works. Will Rogers)
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To: nickcarraway
Geena Davis's performance as the steely Mackenzie Allen on ABC's "Commander in Chief."...

When does reality stop and TV start for these people?

I saw it on a TV show therefore it must be real.

4 posted on 10/15/2005 8:25:24 PM PDT by Last Dakotan
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To: jocon307

More and more, I believe it is one's duty not to show a bit of emotion toward anyone except your spouse, and only while in the throws of aggressive intimacy.


5 posted on 10/15/2005 8:27:32 PM PDT by SteveMcKing ("I was born a Democrat. I expect I'll be a Democrat the day I leave this earth." -Zell Miller '04)
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To: nickcarraway

Anybody who cannot stay on top of their emotions has no business in business. It is dog eat dog, nothing personal. No company rates that kind of attention. Even in business where it was essentially family, we were always soldiers and I've expected nothing less of my employees.


6 posted on 10/15/2005 8:29:29 PM PDT by tortoise (All these moments lost in time, like tears in the rain.)
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To: tortoise

I mean no offense, but your comment and your tagline seem to be in conflict.


7 posted on 10/15/2005 8:32:48 PM PDT by jocon307
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To: nickcarraway
Yet there is one taboo from the earlier, prefeminist workplace that endures: women are not allowed to cry at the office. It is a potentially career-marring mistake that continues to be seen as a sign of weakness or irrationality, no less by women themselves than by men.

But when you're a United States Senator from Ohio, you can cry like a little bitch on the Senate Floor and stop a good man from receiving an up-or-down vote. How humiliating for us Buckeyes that we sent a weak sister like George Voinovich to the Senate.

8 posted on 10/15/2005 8:34:17 PM PDT by You Dirty Rats (Lashed to the USS George W. Bush: "Damn the Torpedos, Full Miers Ahead!!")
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To: jocon307

The rule for guys is, no crying, anywhere.

Well, that's the rule for us "seasoned" guys.

"Suck it up."

"Shake it off."

"Move it out."


9 posted on 10/15/2005 8:35:28 PM PDT by porkchops 4 mahound (Back in the day, fathers asked their sons, "Do you want a reason to cry?" PS: the answer is NO)
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To: nickcarraway
"For reasons both biological and social, scientists and sociologists say, women are more inclined than men to feel the urge to cry when they are frustrated."

I'm surprised anyone at the NY Times would print such a truism.

10 posted on 10/15/2005 8:36:06 PM PDT by sageb1 (This is the Final Crusade. There are only 2 sides. Pick one.)
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To: You Dirty Rats

Ed Muskie's crying did him in.


11 posted on 10/15/2005 8:37:17 PM PDT by Mears (The Killer Queen)
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To: apackof2
And there's no crying in baseball either

But in football, Coaches Schottenheimer and Vermeil have both been known to cry. It all started with the movie Brian's Song. After that, it's OK to cry in football.

Crying because your buddy is dying from cancer at 26 is OK. Crying because you lost a football game or your starting QB got hurt is pathetic.

12 posted on 10/15/2005 8:37:37 PM PDT by You Dirty Rats (Lashed to the USS George W. Bush: "Damn the Torpedos, Full Miers Ahead!!")
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To: nickcarraway
"Women in politics don't (cry) either,...."

Someone should have told Louisanna Governor Kathleen Blanco and Senator Mary Landrau, that.

13 posted on 10/15/2005 8:38:08 PM PDT by Spunky ("Everyone has a freedom of choice, but not of consequences.")
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To: jocon307

I made that mistake when I was 19. Now I know better.

Also learned at a young age not to gossip. Thank God I have learned this early.


14 posted on 10/15/2005 8:39:39 PM PDT by television is just wrong (http://hehttp://print.google.com/print/doc?articleidisblogs.blogspot.com/ (visit blogs, visit ads).)
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To: Aaron0617
The rule for guys is, no crying, anywhere.

Well, I'm a Cub fan so...I might be crying soon.

15 posted on 10/15/2005 8:39:52 PM PDT by Aaron0617
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To: Mears

Crying finished Ed's Presidential campaign. Muskie wasn't truly finished until he joined the Carter Administration. Having that on your resume as a politician is the equivalent of a Finance guy having worked in the HQ of Enron.


16 posted on 10/15/2005 8:40:14 PM PDT by You Dirty Rats (Lashed to the USS George W. Bush: "Damn the Torpedos, Full Miers Ahead!!")
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To: nickcarraway
Yet there is one taboo from the earlier, prefeminist workplace that endures: women are not allowed to cry at the office.

What a pile of crap from the NYTimes. Women cry in the workplace all day long.

17 posted on 10/15/2005 8:41:34 PM PDT by <1/1,000,000th%
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To: sageb1
Come to think of it, I'll bet Bill cries more easily than Hillary.

Look for more ridiculousness from the left. This new TV show will become the darling of the media as they try to prove for Hillary's sake that a woman should be president.

18 posted on 10/15/2005 8:41:39 PM PDT by sageb1 (This is the Final Crusade. There are only 2 sides. Pick one.)
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To: Mears

"Ed Muskie's crying did him in."

That's true, it did.


19 posted on 10/15/2005 8:43:06 PM PDT by jocon307
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To: tortoise

Business is often personal. When your livelihood and your family's lifestyle depend on your esrnings, it is personal. The trick is to turn away from the negative emotions while remembering the object lesson of the event.


20 posted on 10/15/2005 8:44:49 PM PDT by steve8714
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