Posted on 10/15/2005 10:30:55 AM PDT by sageb1
TOLEDO, Ohio (AP) - Police used tear gas to break up a rock-throwing crowd that had gathered to protest a planned march Saturday by the National Socialist Movement.
At least two dozen members of a Roanoke, Va.-based group that calls itself "America's Nazi Party" had gathered at Wilson Park just before noon and were to march under police protection.
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That's enough. Knock it off.
isn't that precious?
FR is eating its own again.
I think it's a matter of immediate threat to life or limb. If the group out there says something like: "There's one; somebody lynch him," that would not be protected speech and could even be grounds for shooting in self-defense if a reasonable person believed he was in immediate danger of death or serious bodily harm.
A bunch of Nazis having a march or rally is not sufficient grounds for them to be shot, even though they may favor homicidal or genocidal policies, as do, unfortunately, a lot of other groups.
Real nice that the Toledo Blade published the name of the white man whose complaint about gang activity drew the Nazi's attention to this area. I hope they are going to pay for his protection now that he has been further targeted. I sure wouldn't want to be at his house right now.
I despise these nazi jerks just as much as the next person, but unless they are an illegal group, they have the right to speak/assemble.
If you need me to clarify something for you- just ask next time-ok?
I just did because you must have missed it the first time...
LOL!
Exactly. As if popular speech needs protection. What is so difficult to understand about this? Looks like schools not teaching the Constitution isn't a recent thing.
Thank you. Very well stated.
When one gang (same race/religion even) divides up a town and declares it their turf, aren't they engaging in a hate group?
If they are willing to come to blows against those who aren't in their gang isn't that discrimination?
The protesters were organized by Canadians
Mr. White said the movement is not asking for special accommodations - including police protection - or to close down streets. If city officials try to ban the march, he said the group will take them to court.
Police said the problem in North Toledo apparently began over a dispute between Bronson Avenue resident Thomas Szych, who is white, and his neighbor, who is black, about a fence.
Mr. Szych was named in the socialist movement's press release because of his problems with gang members. Mr. Szych received a threatening flyer that indicated it was from the Dexter gang and he said he has had vandalism to his property.
Chief Navarre said Mr. Szych, his brother, and his father have made many complaints and reports about gang activity in the neighborhood. Officials aren't receiving complaints and reports from other residents, he said.
Mr. Szych said the police response to his complaints has been poor. Chief Navarre said police have devoted a large amount of resources to Mr. Szych's concerns.
"The officers following up on the complaints find them to be exaggerated," the chief said.
Mr. Ford said Mr. Szych's father made derogatory comments about two African-American officers, describing them as "gorillas with guns."
Mr. Szych, who bought a handgun for protection but had it taken for safekeeping by police after he allegedly waved it at youths, said he is not a part of the socialist movement and did not ask for the group's help.
Mr. White confirmed other local residents contacted the group, but would not identify them.
Neo-Nazis planning march in North Toledo Group says blacks victimizing whites Navarre
There are other sites with info but they are hate sites.
http://www.phxnews.com/fullstory.php?article=26914
More about the Toledo black riot
Posted by kickdrum on Saturday October 15, 2005 at 8:04 pm MST [ Send Story to Friend ]
No, I was not in Ohio between 3:00 and 6:30 p.m. this afternoon when blacks attacked a White, predominantly Polish neighborhood. However, I was watching Fox News as they reported the amazing episode live, complete with close-up video photography courtesy of a local news helicopter which hovered overhead.
I enjoyed a 90-minute Birdseye view of a mini New Orleans unfolding before my eyes -- unedited, blow-by-blow. Well, at least for the first 45 minutes.
From about 3:00 p.m. to 3:45 p.m. Fox News anchor Page Hopkins (pictured) handled the commentary until she became a bit too Politically Incorrect. She was cut-off mid-sentence and removed from the anchor desk at 3:45 p.m. Her sudden replacement made no mention of where she went or what happened to her. An awkward transition to say the least.
Here's what happened.
A mere fourteen members of a National Socialist group had arranged a demonstration to take place in a park across from a small White enclave in the black sea that Toledo has become. According to Fox news, the protest was aimed at police and authorities for not doing enough to protect the community from non-White crime, specifically gang activity.
Counter-protesters described by Fox commentators as "socialist skinheads who oppose racism" became agitated and violent and had to be arrested a full half-hour before the demonstration was scheduled to begin. Police decided to cancel the protest and the National Socialists were escorted to their cars in a police van. This was all caught on video. Including aerial scenes of the "Nazis" being driven away.
Meanwhile, around 400 Black males between the ages of around 16 and 25 had gathered in three separate groups in various locations around the staging area. Many were obviously gang members, as they were wearing gang garb, flashing strange hand signals, and working in a semi-organized fashion (A fact later confirmed by Mayor Jack Ford who described the rioters as "gang members.") Again, this was all caught on video.
Although the demonstration had been cancelled, and the participants had either been arrested or escorted away, the blacks would not disperse. In fact, the blacks became more and more agitated.
What was now a mob began to hurl what Fox described as "baseball sized rocks" through the windows of neighborhood homes in a four square block area. The scene was almost unbelievable. Thousands of huge rocks pummeled the tidy homes of White, low-income people who apparently had the good sense to leave the gang-ridden neighborhood before the "festivities" began. I didn't see a single White face, thank goodness.
While the action escalated, Page Hopkins became more and more disgusted, saying, "This is no longer about racism, this is just illegality... criminal behavior." Just then, a helicopter camera focused in on a group of about 50 blacks who where exiting homes with looted goods, waving the items above their heads with glee. Another group of blacks were taped kicking in the front door of a tavern. It took several teams of blacks numerous attempts to penetrate the well-fortified door which finally collapsed in. Blacks then swarmed into the building and re-appeared in second floor windows waving their arms triumphantly and signaling for others to partake. Soon blacks began exiting the tavern with armfuls of liquor and other stolen goods. The blacks then set fire to the large tavern building which sat sandwiched between small, ranch-style homes. Flames soon appeared on the roof.
At this point Page Hopkins began to describe the situation as a "riot," and for the first time asked the question that until then had not been broached: "Where are the police?" There was not a single police officer in site. They had abandoned the neighborhood to the black mob.
It was during this discussion that Page Hopkins was abruptly ejected from the newsroom and replaced with a calm, cool, egalitarian propagandist who is not a regular Fox anchor. He reminded the television audience that "protesters" where driven to their behavior by the presence of the "Nazis" who were the "root cause" of the "situation." I apologize for not catching his name.
Just then, police arrived in force and began chasing blacks through the streets among burning buildings and cars. Again, this was all on video. Clouds of tear gas and pepper spray were everywhere as rocks continued to fly. It looked like the final battle scene from the movie Kingdom of Heaven. Blacks were seen kicking away cans of teargas that had landed near their feet.
Meanwhile, a White camera crew scrambled to safety behind police lines. And a woman who works for a local media outlet told Page Hopkin's replacement that her news van had been attacked by blacks who attempted to pull the driver through the smashed windshield. She said they "barely escaped."
It was then that Fox suddenly decided to end the live feed and move to another story. Just as things were heating up.
An hour later Fox mentioned the story again, reporting that "protesters" had still not "dispersed" and that police were still "making arrests." Fox also described local residents as "hostages in their own homes," but offered no details.
At 4:00 p.m. Mayor Jack Ford declared a state of emergency, set an 8 p.m. curfew through the weekend, and asked the Highway Patrol and other law enforcement agencies for help. "It's exactly what they wanted," Ford said of the group that planned the march, blaming the Whites. (One thing is certain, Negro gangs are running wild in the neighborhood, just as the White "haters" proclaimed in pre-protest interviews.)
So what happened after Fox decided to end the live feed? For all we know, Whites were pulled from their cars and homes and beaten or killed. Stay tuned.
(Note: At 8:30 p.m. I visited the Fox Web site and viewed the portion of the video they chose to make available to peole who missed it live. The segment has been edited with great care.)
FR is eating its own again.
Don't look at me. I just got back on. If abuse was hit, it was somebody else!
Have you read my posts because I agree with those last two thought and most of what you posted on this thread?
Sounds about right, more socialists.
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