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A President Who Is Not for Turning: "He seems even more determined than ever."
HughHewitt.com ^ | October 13, 2005 05:27 AM EST | Hugh Hewitt

Posted on 10/13/2005 8:19:30 AM PDT by Checkers

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1 posted on 10/13/2005 8:19:36 AM PDT by Checkers
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To: Checkers

President Bush: Please pull the nomination.


2 posted on 10/13/2005 8:21:27 AM PDT by brivette
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To: brivette

Why are you afraid of an up-or-down vote?


3 posted on 10/13/2005 8:27:51 AM PDT by Checkers (I voted for President George W. Bush. Twice. (Long pause.) Oh, by the way, you're welcome!)
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To: Checkers

Damn the torpedoes, full speed ahead!


4 posted on 10/13/2005 8:29:22 AM PDT by AmusedBystander
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To: Checkers

Bump


5 posted on 10/13/2005 8:31:53 AM PDT by Valin (The right to do something does not mean that doing it is right.)
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To: brivette
President Bush needs to continue to stand firm. He is the President of the United States and he has the right to nominate who he chooses for the Supreme Court. I do believe that before this nomination that is what most people on FR was saying as well to the demorats.

I trust the president and fully stand by him with his choice. I know he will not do us wrong and neither will Ms. Miers. She has been involved in picking other Conservative justices that the President has nominated and she knows what the President looks for in a justice. I know the President would not nominate someone who did not believe in sticking to the Constitution and to what he believes in.

In time all you naysayers will be eating your words when you are proved wrong about the Presidents pick. President Bush stay srong and stand firm.
6 posted on 10/13/2005 8:32:05 AM PDT by FloridianBushFan (God Bless our Troops and President Bush)
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Many voices were raised against holding the Iraqi elections last January.

12-13-04
http://hnn.us/articles/8939.html.
Why Elections in Iraq Are a Lose-Lose Proposition
By Edwin Black
Mr. Black is the New York Times bestselling and award-winning author of IBM and the Holocaust. This article is adapted from his just-released book, Banking on Baghdad, Inside Iraq's 7,000-Year History of War, Profit, and Conflict (Wiley), which chronicles 7,000 years of Iraqi history.


Iraq ’s proposed January elections are a lose-lose proposition.

Fifteen Sunni and two leading Kurdish political parties have banded together to ask Iraq’s Interim Government to postpone elections now scheduled for January 30, 2005. They claim the continuing violence and insurgency makes a vote imperiled if not impossible. That reality was driven home just days ago when a grenade was tossed into a school with a note warning school administrators not to allow their buildings to be used as polling places. Candidates have been threatened with death, voters have been told to stay in their homes on Election Day. The Association of Muslim Scholars, Iraq’s highest Sunni religious authority, has demanded all Sunnis boycott the electoral process.

But the Shiites are adamant that elections proceed as planned. Their supreme religious leader, Grand Ayatollah Sayyid Ali Husayni Sistani, has decreed that voting is not merely an act of citizenship but the highest religious obligation. “All citizens, male and female, who are eligible to vote, ” announced Sistani, “must make sure that their names are properly registered on the electoral register.” Shiite mosques are bedecked with voting banners, especially in holy cities such as Najaf and Kufa. Sistani rebuffed the recent Sunni-Kurd election delay requests, saying the question was “not even up for discussion.”

Arab Sunnis and Kurds—together some 40 percent of the population—are now on an electoral collision course with the majority Shiites, who comprise approximately 60 percent of the country. The dynamics of this looming election showdown embody the very ethnic torrents that have plagued Iraq for centuries.

Minority Sunnis and majority Shias have massacred and oppressed each other in Iraq since the seventh century, taking time off to do the same for the country’s Armenians, Assyrians, Chaldeans, Jews, Kurds and other minorities. In the last half of the twentieth century, the upper hand was seized by Sunni Ba’athist strongmen, Saddam Hussein being the latest. The concept of one-man one-vote, in which the results will virtually parallel the religious groups, automatically guarantees that the Shiite majority will once again control the nation, settling old scores and disenfranchising everyone else, and laying the groundwork for another civil war.

More than that, free elections—anathema in most of the Middle East—are viewed by the joint domestic and pan-Arab insurgency as just another device of foreign occupation. Hence, if election plans proceed, they will merely become the latest lightning rod for insurgency and terrorism, replacing reconstruction efforts, the oil infrastructure and police stations as the target du jour.

The assumption or seizure of central authority in Iraq has never constituted a true representative government accepted by the warring tribal factions. In consequence, even if the election takes place, even if the Shiites deliver a numerical majority for the turnout, the forces of Sunni and insurgent rejection will demonize them as illegitimate, thus further plunging the populace into violence.

Indeed, the Islamic Army, among the most organized of the several insurgent groups, has announced that no election can take place in Iraq as long as infidel occupation forces continue to occupy Iraq. They promise to target all who participate or even recognize the results, Iraqi or foreigner.

Adding a volatile additional dimension is the distinct possibility that majority Shiite rule will not propel the nation toward Western-style democracy, but cause a detour speeding toward Iranian-style theocracy. Shiite Iran and the dominant Shiite holy cities such as Najaf have been deeply involved with each other for centuries. Citizens on both sides of the border freely pass and in many ways function co-jointly in all matters religious, spiritual and social.

Should a Shiite-controlled Iraq legislate itself into an Iranian-style theocracy, and even consider a pan-Islamic confederacy, the ramifications are towering. Such bi-national unions in the Islamic Middle East have been common since WW II. In 1958, Iraq itself was once united with Jordan in the short-lived Arab Union even as Egypt and Syria created the ill-fated United Arab Republic.

The people of Iraq have never wanted Western-style pluralistic democracy or elections. The idea has always been imposed from abroad. They know their history. In 1920, the nations of the Middle East were created where no nations had previously existed by Western oil imperialism and the League of Nations—this solely to validate under international law the post-WW I oil joint monopolies France and England had created. Pro-western monarchs and other rulers were installed to sign on the dotted line, legitimizing cheap Western oil monopolies. At the same time, the Western capitals spurned the Arab national movement. When the Arabs hear the very term “democracy,” they hear a codeword for, “we want a stable environment for oil.”

After years of trying to install democracy in the 1930s and 1940s, Major John Glubb, the British officer who organized the Arab Legion, complained bitterly in a letter to Whitehall: “We...imagined that we had bestowed on the Iraqis all these blessings of democracy…Nothing could be more undemocratic than the result. A handful of politicians obtained possession of the machinery of government, and all the elections were rigged... In this process they all became very rich.”

In the post-WW II decades, the West has tried to hang onto its oil lifeline in the Middle East, using our best diplomats, corporate surrogates and militaries. That has only fueled the cycle of insurrection and now world terrorism from a people who resent our presence and resource exploitation, and have always understood better than anyone exactly why we are there. The Arabs have come to believe that all the talk of democratic values is just a shibboleth of the infidel.

Iraq , the so-called “Cradle of Civilization” has a 7,000-year head start on the United States and Britain. If they wanted a pluralistic democracy, they could have created one without a permission slip from Washington or London. Elections do not make democracies; democracies make elections.


7 posted on 10/13/2005 8:35:08 AM PDT by Valin (The right to do something does not mean that doing it is right.)
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To: FloridianBushFan

One way or another one side in this debate will be dining on crow.


8 posted on 10/13/2005 8:36:51 AM PDT by Valin (The right to do something does not mean that doing it is right.)
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To: FloridianBushFan

YEP.

W doesn't take his orders from the Adolescent Fringe of Bos-Wash Axis of Opinion Elite...


9 posted on 10/13/2005 8:37:47 AM PDT by Checkers (I voted for President George W. Bush. Twice. (Long pause.) Oh, by the way, you're welcome!)
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To: FloridianBushFan

I was at first uncertain, leaning towards her confirmation, until I heard Laura Ingraham's cogent remarks on the nomination. Conservatives need to unite on this subject.


10 posted on 10/13/2005 8:39:02 AM PDT by brivette
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President Bush stay strong and stand firm.

I agree.

People insist on labeling Miers as a crony, but forget to mention that Bush has chosen great cronies....like Sec. Rice, for example.

11 posted on 10/13/2005 8:39:22 AM PDT by syriacus (Valerie Plame LOVES it when Joe takes his yellow-cake pills. They are his Afro-Perfidy-Acs.)
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On this nomination, immigration, and a few other issues Gw needs ot have a "Can You hear me now?" moment before he alianates a large chunk of the parties base.


12 posted on 10/13/2005 8:40:17 AM PDT by TXBSAFH (Anytime a Politico says, "Trust Me." I put my hand on my wallet and slowly back away.)
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"Laura Ingraham's cogent remarks on the nomination"

And they are...?


13 posted on 10/13/2005 8:40:43 AM PDT by Checkers (I voted for President George W. Bush. Twice. (Long pause.) Oh, by the way, you're welcome!)
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Too many uncertainties on where Ms. Miers stands. Nominate a rock ribbed constitutionalist and let the fight with the libs begin.


14 posted on 10/13/2005 8:44:33 AM PDT by brivette
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"On this nomination...and a few other issues Gw needs ot have a "Can You hear me now?" moment before he alianates a large chunk of the parties base."

The fringe is not a base. The BosWash Axis of Influence is not a base.

W doesn't take orders from Bill Kristol, George Will or that Canadian David Frum.


15 posted on 10/13/2005 8:45:50 AM PDT by Checkers (I voted for President George W. Bush. Twice. (Long pause.) Oh, by the way, you're welcome!)
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"Too many uncertainties on where Ms. Miers stands. Nominate a rock ribbed constitutionalist and let the fight with the libs begin."

Is that Ingraham's opinion?


16 posted on 10/13/2005 8:47:45 AM PDT by Checkers (I voted for President George W. Bush. Twice. (Long pause.) Oh, by the way, you're welcome!)
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Pretty much.


17 posted on 10/13/2005 8:50:04 AM PDT by brivette
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Why are you afraid of an up-or-down vote?

Because she might get confirmed. Duh.

18 posted on 10/13/2005 8:55:26 AM PDT by Texas Federalist (qualified to serve on the United States Supreme Court)
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To: Valin; FloridianBushFan
One way or another one side in this debate will be dining on crow.

That depends what you think the debate is.

If it's "was this a good nomination to make?" then I think that's already been conclusively decided against, for issues independent of whether Miers ends up being great, good, mediocre, or bad.

If it's "should Miers be confirmed, or withdraw?" nothing that happens will serve as proof that one side was right, unless Miers ends up being a poor justice. So much of it will be hypothetical, what might have happened it .... speculation.

If it's "will Miers be a good Supreme Court justice?" I don't think many people have taken a strong position on that either way; nobody really knows, and the verdict may not be in for 20 years.

19 posted on 10/13/2005 8:55:37 AM PDT by JohnnyZ ("I believe abortion should be safe and legal in this country" -- Mitt Romney)
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To: FloridianBushFan
>> I trust the president

I trusted the President.....

I voted for W twice. I'd probably vote for him again, under the same circumstances as today. I supported the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq, and I believe in those as necessary actions in the war on terror. But I am through with "trusting" him. This boneheaded SCOTUS nomination defies explanation, even a KarlRoveian explanation.

20 posted on 10/13/2005 8:56:38 AM PDT by NewJerseyJoe (Rat mantra: "Facts are meaningless! You can use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true!")
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