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Latest pictures out of China of PLANs work on the Carrier Varyag
CHINA.COM Military Pics ^ | 10 Octoner 2005 | Jeff Head

Posted on 10/10/2005 10:17:52 AM PDT by Jeff Head

The PLAN is readying the former Russian carrier Varyag for something. These pictures show the exterior painting now being completed in the standard PLAN surface combatant colors, with the superstructure preparing to be painted.

They have been working on the project in their naval shipyards for over two year now.



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To: Jeff Head
Furture artificial reef off the coast of Taiwan or South Korea IMO.....:o)

The fish will appreciate all the bells and whistles added.
81 posted on 10/10/2005 11:48:48 AM PDT by Squantos (Be polite. Be professional. But, have a plan to kill everyone you meet. ©)
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To: HHKrepublican_2
I am sure you are aware that Jeff Head was the author of the series.

But my review is this. Buy the books, they are damn good!
82 posted on 10/10/2005 11:49:00 AM PDT by A Texan (Oderint dum metuant)
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To: HHKrepublican_2
There are several reviews of the various volumes here on FR by Freepers and other authors as well. Here are a few.

"Freeper Jeff Head's "Dragon's Fury" now a Collector's Edition!"

Dragon's Fury, Vol IV-The Latest is the Greatest

Freeper Author Matt Bracken (Travis McGee) Reviews Jeff Head's Dragon's Fury Series

Jeff Head Hits Another Home Run! - Vol III

DRAGON'S FURY: TRODDEN UNDER (Vol II) by Jeff Head - A MUST Read

Review of Jeff Head's "Dragons Fury" Vols I & II by Author Jim Macomber

83 posted on 10/10/2005 11:52:14 AM PDT by Jeff Head (www.dragonsfuryseries.com)
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To: JamesP81

Are you thinking of the Joint Strike Fighter?


84 posted on 10/10/2005 11:53:05 AM PDT by lesser_satan
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To: Squantos
I believe so too...but they are building it and will probably build more and we cannot underestimate them.

Their ultimate agression will exact a cost to put down...just like they all do. And that cost will once again be paid in American blood and treasure. Better to put them down now with a Reagan-like approach, IMHO, when the cost in both will be much less.

85 posted on 10/10/2005 11:54:36 AM PDT by Jeff Head (www.dragonsfuryseries.com)
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To: A Texan
Best bet these days is for new folks to get the hard back edition. More durable and half the overall cost. Has the full five volumes in it.

Thanks so much for those kind words about the series. Been trying to warn and talk about this growing threat for the last 6 years.

86 posted on 10/10/2005 11:57:18 AM PDT by Jeff Head (www.dragonsfuryseries.com)
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To: Jeff Head; Riley; VRWCTexan; Obadiah

Dalian is right. I pop up there for a biz trip maybe twice a year, it's right there in the port, can't miss it, it's quite the tourist attraction :)


87 posted on 10/10/2005 12:00:19 PM PDT by Republican Party Reptile
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To: VRWCTexan

BINGO! I think you're right on target. This would give China a carrier task force as the centerpiece of an invasion of Taiwan, used to screen their amphibious transports. Though it would be a full generation behind the Nimitz and Improved Nimitz (Roosevelt) class carrier task forces defended by Ticonderoga CGs and Arleigh Burke DDGs, screened by one or two Seawolf or Improved LA SSNs, it would still be a major threat. Though I wouldn't give a "Varyag" or whatever the red Chinese call it and it's escorts a snowballs chance in hell of withstanding a concerted primary attack with TASMs (Tomahawks) launched from a Nimitz Carrier task force, with a syncronized or secondary launching of Harpoons from a full squadron of F/A-18 Hornets or Super Hornet D's. And I don't believe the "Varyag" force could successfully take on one of our Nimitz groups. Between the air to air interceptor capability of our F-14s and F-18s, the Sea Sparrow and more advanced SAMs that the CG and DDG screens have, and the SAMs the carriers themselves have, and the CIWS 20mm radar guided gun armament every U.S. warship has, and chaff and flare decoys after those, I don't think any Chinese cruise missiles could get through all that unless is was a massive strike of over 150 or more missiles at the same time, and that would be very difficult for them to pull off. And to do that, they'd have to get their planes close enough, and oue AEWACs would spot and direct fighters to shoot them down LONG before they'd be in range to launch. The Chinese naval and submarine force doesn't have the capability to launch a syncronized attack of that magnitude. That's my take on it anyway. This ship would be a threat in a Taiwan invasion though, nothing to be taken likely, but not an equal to a Nimitz by any stretch.


88 posted on 10/10/2005 12:03:25 PM PDT by Allen H (An informed person, is a conservative person. Remember 9-11,God bless our military,Bush,& the USA!)
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To: Jeff Head
I enjoyed the books immensely and am waiting and hoping that a similar series will follow.

I have loaned my Dad the books as I bought them and for Christmas this year I am getting him the hard back addition (he always re-reads his favorite books) because I want my copies back!
89 posted on 10/10/2005 12:07:16 PM PDT by A Texan (Oderint dum metuant)
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To: ExSoldier; judicial meanz

ping


90 posted on 10/10/2005 12:07:50 PM PDT by HipShot ("Remember the first rule of gunfighting... have a gun." --Colonel Jeff Cooper)
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To: MajorTom56

The Russians were flying MiG-29s and SU-27s off of them, ones that were slightly modified to be able to launch off that sloped ramp. If the Chinese didn't purchase or build some of those to use with the "Varyag", I'm sure they could put something on them that would be better than the Yak-38U Forgers. I seem to recall there was a much improved Russian V/STOL aircraft that was more comperable to an F-16, though slower and less maneuverable, but better than any Yak-38. When it was Russian anyway, it was able to carry at least a full squadron, maybe two, of SU-27s or MiG-29s. And some Yak-38 and a large helicopter compliment, which in an invasion would be a big threat too in supporting amphibious operations. So there is that too.


91 posted on 10/10/2005 12:08:51 PM PDT by Allen H (An informed person, is a conservative person. Remember 9-11,God bless our military,Bush,& the USA!)
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To: A Texan

hehehe...I undertsand. I can barely keep my own around. Thank your Dad for me, and again, many thanks to you.


92 posted on 10/10/2005 12:13:40 PM PDT by Jeff Head (www.dragonsfuryseries.com)
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To: Jeff Head

IF there is a military conflict between us and the Chinese someday, that carrier will be a prime target of course, and if I was the military leader in that theater, I would send the Seawolf, Connecticut and Carter out with orders to seek and destroy all Chinese carriers. They're so quite the Chinese have no sonar that could detect them, and frankly, we could sink them before a war, and in deep water, the Chinese could never prove it was us that did it, because there would be no evidence, especailly if it was done in deep enough water. Just a thought.


93 posted on 10/10/2005 12:15:08 PM PDT by Allen H (An informed person, is a conservative person. Remember 9-11,God bless our military,Bush,& the USA!)
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To: Jeff Head
All I know locally is that they have driven the price of metals to skyrocketing prices. And then looking at what I refer to as freight train economics I see almost nine out of ten sea containers going east and west through here 20 plus times a day china owned....

They have their hooks in us good these days via the all mighty dollar. Our star wars ability , superior navy and air forces can and will stop anything they can toss in the form of aggressive military acts. They are IMO one year out from tossing an aircraft off that deck.

That seen from China IMO is the evidence of their "very effective" rate of incremental ism to date and the threat of what is to come......with assistance from our own polidiots and business world. Just my opinion of course....

Stay safe Jeff !
94 posted on 10/10/2005 12:15:50 PM PDT by Squantos (Be polite. Be professional. But, have a plan to kill everyone you meet. ©)
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To: Allen H
Our carries would stand well off to the east of Tawian and use the island as an additional defense and physical barrier.

But the Chinese carrier would definitely complicate things if they got it operational.

I agree with analysis you gave, but cannot underestimate any adversary with the wealth, growing technical and manufacturing expertise, and the enormous number of potential fighters the Chinese have.

95 posted on 10/10/2005 12:16:10 PM PDT by Jeff Head (www.dragonsfuryseries.com)
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To: Allen H
The newer diesel electrics are even quieter than our nucs and the Chinese understand what we will want to do. They will probably try and set some traps of their own in the close-in litoral waters near their coasts, with pacs of those de's waiting for our boats.

I believe the same will occur with air assets...hoping to draw our strike packages in after the carrier where they can use their new area air defense ddg's and huge numbers of land based aircraft to try and waylay our own aircraft.

Either way...having a rich target like that to go in after in any conflict over Taiwan will complicate things and make them mopre dangerous. We are more than up to it...it will just increase the cost of our total victory. The PRC is, of course, hoping that a new administration will weigh that cost and choose not to intervene and thereby achieve a political victory where they could not achieve a military one.

96 posted on 10/10/2005 12:20:34 PM PDT by Jeff Head (www.dragonsfuryseries.com)
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To: VRWCTexan

GREAT info! Thank you. :)


97 posted on 10/10/2005 12:22:03 PM PDT by Allen H (An informed person, is a conservative person. Remember 9-11,God bless our military,Bush,& the USA!)
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To: Jeff Head

Jeff,

Using an aircraft carrier in confined littoral waters is useless. You might as well use land based aircraft. An aircraft carrier is an open ocean power projection weapon which has utility in the littoral battlespace as an attacking platform. There are many ways to kill a carrier you can use Tomahawk, Harpoon, Harpoon SLAM, SRAM and evem ALCM's among other things. All of these can be lauched from a number of different platforms. Equippped with the right warhead you can even take out a task force.

I bet we could put more missiles in the air than their AD DDG's can handle (attack from many platforms [air,surface,undersea] with different weapons,no defense shield is impervious)and many of the missiles we would shoot would be targeting the escorts first. Once you take them out it gets interesting.


98 posted on 10/10/2005 12:23:28 PM PDT by DarthVader (Liberal Democrats = The Excrement of America)
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To: Squantos

Excellent analysis Squantos...I believe you are spot on, in the timing too if the PLAN chooses to go that way, and it sure looks like they are going that way.


99 posted on 10/10/2005 12:24:19 PM PDT by Jeff Head (www.dragonsfuryseries.com)
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To: VRWCTexan
Would a President Hillary etc just order the US Navy to "stand-down" without firing a shop...?

Hillary is already bought and paid for.

100 posted on 10/10/2005 12:27:52 PM PDT by Yo-Yo
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