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Drummer closes doors on $20 million
timesonline. ^ | October 08, 2005 | By Chris Ayres

Posted on 10/09/2005 3:50:59 PM PDT by dennisw

Is it simple selling or selling out? We report on a band at odds over ad revenue

THE drummer of the Doors has infuriated his former bandmates by turning down nearly $20 million to use their music to sell computers and cars.

John Densmore has a legal right to veto the use of the band’s music for advertising. And that is exactly what he is doing. He says that he is holding out to honour the memory of the band’s lead singer, Jim Morrison, who died in Paris from a suspected heroin overdose in 1971, aged 27.

“People lost their virginity to this music, got high for the first time to this music,” Densmore, 60, told the Los Angeles Times in an interview that has astonished an industry more accustomed to performers launching bottled water brands than objecting to the capitalist exploitation of their art.

“I’ve had people say kids died in Vietnam listening to this music. On stage, when we played these songs, they felt mysterious and magic. That’s not for rent,” the drummer said.

Densmore recalls the day in 1965 that Morrison discovered that his colleagues had allowed the song Light My Fire to be used in an advertisement for a Buick Opel car. The singer vowed to take a sledgehammer to a Buick on stage unless the deal was cancelled.

Five years later the Doors agreed in writing that the band would have to approve unanimously any music licensing agreement. It is a contract that the other members regret.

The sanctity of rock music in advertising ended in the 1980s, when Nike used Revolution by the Beatles. Since then, Paul McCartney has sung for Fidelity Investments; a dancing silhouette of Bono has been used to promote Apple’s iPod; and the Rolling Stones have played the blues for Ameriquest mortgages. Even Bob Dylan’s The Times They are a-Changin’ can be heard in an unlikely advertisement for the health firm Kaiser Permanente.

One of the few to hold out is the experimental blues singer Tom Waits, who recently said that corporations “suck the life and meaning from the songs and impregnate them with promises of a better life with their product”.

Recent offers to the Doors include a reported $15 million (£8.4 million) from Cadillac for the rights to use Break on Through to promote its 4x4s. Densmore said that he could not sell a song to a company that was “polluting the world”. In the end Cadillac stuck with the slogan “Break Through”, but used Led Zeppelin’s 1972 Rock and Roll instead.

Apple offered the Doors another $4 million for Light My Fire, but again Densmore said no.

The other Doors, Robby Krieger, 59, and Ray Manzarek, 66, are not happy. The last time the trio met was at the Los Angeles County Superior Courthouse last year, when a judge ruled that Krieger and Manzarek could not use the name Doors of the 21st Century during a world tour. The musicians changed their name to D21C. But they may still have to pay Densmore a percentage of the estimated $8 million receipts.

Manzarek has cited the court battle as evidence that Densmore does care about money. “John is going to get about a million dollars for doing nothing,” he told the Los Angeles Times. “He gets an equal share as us, and we were out there working. A free million bucks. That’s a gig I’d like.”

Others have pointed out that in the 1970s Densmore agreed to sell Riders on the Storm to the Pirelli tyre company. He later vowed never to be tempted by money-lust again.

“I gave every cent to charity,” he said. “Jim’s ghost was in my ear, and I felt terrible. If I needed proof that it was the wrong thing to do, I got it.”


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To: kpbruinfan
Yes has had 4 or 5 drummers in their illustrious career but everyone knows Chris Squire plays bass for them - and always has (since he owns the name after all). Singers are far more self-important anyway - and I sing as well.

Er, uh, well... As a (former) bass player myself, who lists Chris Squire as one of my top 3 or 4 indluences myself, Yes has only had 2 drummers: Bill Bruford, and Alan White. On the other hand, when you look at all the different incarcations of Yes (including Anderson, Wakeman, Bruford, and Howe), you need to count the bass players as Chris Squire, Trevor Horn (on Drama, he played bass on one song, "Into the Night"), Billy Sherwood (on some of the later Yes tracks), and Jeff Berlin and Tony Levin (with AWBH).

Mark

101 posted on 10/09/2005 11:47:18 PM PDT by MarkL (I didn't get to where I am today by worrying about what I'd feel like tomorrow!)
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To: Cacique

l8R


102 posted on 10/09/2005 11:57:25 PM PDT by Cacique (quos Deus vult perdere, prius dementat ( Islamia Delenda Est ))
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To: kingu
Never speed, do you?

I have never been cited for exceeding the speed limit. Seriously.

103 posted on 10/10/2005 5:35:18 AM PDT by megatherium
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To: Nick5
They wrote the songs, the songs have given a lot of people a lot of entertainment value and continue to--why shouldn't they continue to profit off their labor?

Sorry, that sort of thing's for big corporations, not some long-hair, dope-smoking, pinko commie.

104 posted on 10/10/2005 5:40:23 AM PDT by Wolfie
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To: HighWheeler
Those congressgoobers said that copyrights should last for 70 years after the death of the creator. What a crock of crap. It used to fixed at 56 years after the creation of the work.

Blame Disney for this.

Reminds me of a curious circumstance concerning Donald Duck. Heaven forbid anyone but Disney using or profiting from this familiar character. But many, many years ago, the University of Oregon took to using the likeness of Donald Duck for its athletic teams (the Oregon Ducks). Eventually, this came to the attention of Disney. The Ducks had apparently used Donald Duck for long enough to jeopardize Disney's ownership of this cartoon character. A legal accommodation was reached: The university can use Donald Duck only on apparel or memorabilia sold in Eugene, Oregon, and they cannot put Donald Duck on anything that would be broadcast over the air.

105 posted on 10/10/2005 5:47:05 AM PDT by megatherium (The Oregon Ducks: 5-1 and ranked #20. Go Ducks!)
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To: dennisw
Come on baby, light my fire....


106 posted on 10/10/2005 5:56:30 AM PDT by Hatteras
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To: dennisw
"“People lost their virginity to this music, got high for the first time to this music,” Densmore, 60, told the Los Angeles Times in an interview that has astonished an industry more accustomed to performers launching bottled water brands than objecting to the capitalist exploitation of their art.

“I’ve had people say kids died in Vietnam listening to this music. On stage, when we played these songs, they felt mysterious and magic. That’s not for rent,” the drummer said.

I recall once eating a grilled cheese sandwich to this music.

107 posted on 10/10/2005 6:01:46 AM PDT by avg_freeper (Gunga galunga. Gunga, gunga galunga)
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To: clee1
WAS...WAS..WAS!!!!

IS!!!

108 posted on 10/10/2005 6:21:17 AM PDT by KeepUSfree (WOSD = fascism pure and simple.)
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To: kingu
"As for the 'doing nothing' gripe, the sixty-ish guys would not be making eight million on tour were it not for what happened long ago."

So you are saying they would have still made 8 million if they had not gone on tour and worked? Do I really have to point out how wrong that is?

"As for selling music, the copyright on that stuff should have expired long ago. Innovation is the hallmark of this nation, and copyright issues need to be one day addressed. Otherwise we'll continue to spend nearly a half century listening to the same songs."

HUH? How do copyrights force us to listen to the same songs? If anything copyrights force song writers to get off their butt's and write something original instead of recycling the same old hits over and over again. If it wasn't for copyrights we WOULD be listening to the same old songs.
109 posted on 10/10/2005 7:24:22 AM PDT by monday
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To: monday
HUH? How do copyrights force us to listen to the same songs? If anything copyrights force song writers to get off their butt's and write something original instead of recycling the same old hits over and over again. If it wasn't for copyrights we WOULD be listening to the same old songs.

A copyright on a Door's song does not create new music, it ensures that that song will continue, unchanged. Why mess with something that already makes money, is the standard call. Why bother with something new, we still have this thirty five year old song that we can continue to live on. The founding fathers wanted to protect inventors and creative creators, but they didn't want that protection to last forever. Not only does Article 8 Clause 8 specify protection, but it also specifies a limitation to that protection. Don't like it, change the constitution, but copyright law as it is right now is not constitutional.

Let's look at another industry that is living off of the copyright laws - the book industry. Forget the thrillers of the day - great for quick money, but the real life of the industry will be specialty texts. I can't count how much money I've made off of selling books about Custer's Last Stand. But every historian will tell you if you get them drunk that innovation in that hot market is at a near standstill because of copyright. Why make a new book when you can just republish the same one you did twenty years ago? Just add a new forward, toss in some random bits of data, and you have a revised edition. Innovation is stifled and it is the consumer that pays the ultimate price.

If the drug companies had the same monopolies that the music and book industry does, you would still be paying a hundred dollars a bottle for penicillin. Advanced versions would be a thousand dollar prescription. It would be doubtful that we'd even have the antivirals that are on the market today. And people would be dead to protect the monopolies.
110 posted on 10/10/2005 11:55:25 AM PDT by kingu (Draft Fmr Senator Fred Thompson for '08.)
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To: SamAdams76
Jim Morrison is dead...damn!

Or as Dennis Leary calls him, "Big Fat Dead Guy in a Bathtub."

111 posted on 10/10/2005 11:59:01 AM PDT by dfwgator (Flower Mound, TX)
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To: Ryan Ruck

bttt


112 posted on 10/10/2005 12:36:29 PM PDT by timestax
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To: timestax

bttt


113 posted on 10/10/2005 12:38:44 PM PDT by timestax
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To: Nick5

Wait'll your mom reads this and sends you a bill for all those suppers, and the Pepto.


114 posted on 10/10/2005 1:27:38 PM PDT by Old Professer (Fix the problem, not the blame!)
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To: Petronski
From the Sixth Grade:

"People are ugly

When you've been drinking

Showing your penis

Scares them away"

115 posted on 10/10/2005 1:30:16 PM PDT by Clemenza (Gentlemen, Behold!)
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To: lainie; clee1
wooohoo! I'm just glad I spelled it right.

Close...Neil Peart...with an 'i.'

116 posted on 10/10/2005 1:46:19 PM PDT by deadrock
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To: DEADROCK

ah, shoot. Oh well, at least we remembered him :)


117 posted on 10/10/2005 1:48:00 PM PDT by lainie
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To: Hildy
There's something to be said about this. Everytime I hear another 70's song used to sell something, I really cringe a little. When I heard Moondance used to sell something, that was the last straw.

I know what you mean. The last straw for me was when "Sugar, Sugar" by The Archies was used to sell corn flakes. All my dreams of the new age of Aquarius were shattered forever on that day.

118 posted on 10/10/2005 4:14:41 PM PDT by SamAdams76 (What Would Howard Roarke Do?)
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To: pocat

bttt


119 posted on 10/11/2005 7:37:35 PM PDT by timestax
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To: kpbruinfan

Actually as a drummer, I LOVE good bass players. Especially ones that actually understand RHYTHM and TIME as opposed to being wannabe guitar players.

One of the good things about some old full bands was that they understood and had RHYTHM SECTIONS(guitar, piano, bass AND drums), which meant that more than ONE person was responsible for the time and rhythm. Even a good drummer can't keep 2 or 3 other players with no rhythm or sense of time in time or with or on the beat if these people can't or don't want to keep time. It makes the music sound lousy if the drummer has to constantly fight other band members over time and rhythm.

Now, speaking of keyboard players,........one of my good friends is a real good keyboard player, except for the fact that his time stinks. On further reflection, I don't know if he's really a good musician. I don't know if he can stand to play more than a minute of any song before he's on to the next one.


120 posted on 10/12/2005 10:05:50 AM PDT by garyhope
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