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I was wrong; so please join me in supporting Harriet Miers.

Posted on 10/09/2005 3:28:25 PM PDT by Pukin Dog

I decided to end my self-imposed exile from posting due to information that I received this past weekend from ‘a little birdie’ in Washington, which I subsequently had confirmed by another ‘insider’ if you can call him that.

You know I won’t tell, so don’t bother asking me for names, links, or further information. I trust these individuals, and have received accurate information from them before and shared it here on Free Republic. Of course, all are free to either accept or reject what I am about to share, but if you know anything about the Dog, I don’t change my mind often, and my only goal is to pass on information that can help support the Conservative agenda.

Issue 1.

Information was shared with me on Saturday, which described in no uncertain terms that Harriet Miers stands as the only nominee on Bush’s list which has any chance of confirmation by the Senate Judiciary Committee. The reasons for this are numerous, and would be embarrassing to the Conservative movement should one or many of the ‘stars’ who we hoped Bush would select be shot down in Committee, which again, if true, would be a certainty.

More than one of the persons we might have wanted made it clear to the President that they would not accept his nomination if selected. You can draw your own conclusions as to why, but the only hint I will provide is that data mining works too damn well these days. What we saw back when Clarence Thomas was nominated would seem like a walk in the park, compared to what would be done to some of our most popular jurists.

Our Democrat opponents have been quite busy, especially after John Roberts embarrassed them, searching for any information that would allow an open personal attack on a nominee. Sadly, many of the folks we wanted badly would have had their lives destroyed had they attempted confirmation to the bench, and wisely declined. There is no one among us who has not done (or had a family member do) things that we either regret, or would rather keep to ourselves. Because none of us are perfect, it is possible that had one of our choices been selected, we might have lived to regret that day for a very long time.

Issue 2.

Arlen Specter is in my opinion, a traitor to the Conservative movement. He has made it clear to the White House that he is determined to protect his legacy, by NOT supporting any name among those who might make it possible to overturn Rowe V. Wade. What that means, is that had Bush put up someone who might make us proud, Specter reneged on a PROMISE to support Bush’s judicial nominees in return for his, (and especially Rick Santorum’s) support for his re-election. This promise was made when there was strong consideration for removing Specter’s pending chairmanship in favor of John Coryn, or an extension to the term of Orrin Hatch.

The removal of Specter from the Chairmanship would have been disastrous, because he would have remained a committee member, and would have sided with Democrats against the President’s selections out of spite. So, why not simply remove Specter from the committee? That would have been really bad PR, considering Specter’s health issues at the time these decisions were being made.

One could argue that it might have been best to send up nominee after nominee, even if eventually defeated, but remember that O’Conner is only around hoping for a quick confirmation so that she can be with her ill husband. Bush was under the gun to come up with a confirmable candidate, or risk a Supreme Court not running at full strength as important rulings came under review.

I am told that Arlen Specter has gone back on every single promise he made when his chairmanship was still a question, and feels untouchable now that he is ill, because any punitive measures taken against him would be seen as ‘less than compassionate’ by the MSM and Democrats, who admittedly would have a field day, were Specter punished for his duplicity. The sad thing is that after “Scottish Law” or even the “Magic Bullet theory” that some think that anything that Arlen Specter says can be trusted. Sure, he supported Clarence Thomas, but does anyone believe that Specter would still be a Senator if he had not?

Issue 3.

Let’s face it; our Republican Senate is an embarrassment. From the weakness of Frist, to the petulance of the dude who ‘thinks he is leader’ McCain, down to his McCainiac compadre Lindsey (tinker-bell) Graham, to the nut from Mississippi who thinks he can actually get his leadership position back by actively rebelling against the President, we aint looking to good at all.

Our Republican Senate has as members at least 7 Democrats who could have never gotten elected as Democrats, who nonetheless support the Democrat agenda whenever they can get away with it, which unfortunately due to the weakness of Frist, is all too often. I find myself wishing Tom Delay would run for the Senate against Hutchinson, just so we can have someone in the Senate not afraid to break some heads to get things done. Why can’t we have a Republican Lyndon Johnson when we need one?

Because our Republican Senate is so weak, President Bush cannot rely on them for much. He could not have gotten majority support in this current Senate for any judicial nominee that would have made us proud. The usual suspects have made it clear to the President that any nominee who would have put their re-election prospects at risk would vote against that nominee. The bottom line, is that the Republican Senate is made up of too many who want the job, but not the work. The only job they see before them is that of getting re-elected to another six year term.

Luttig, McConnell, JRB, Owen, Alito, or anyone else you want to name, would have been defeated, and probably defeated in committee, in order to save other Senators from having to vote them down on the floor. Of this, I am now convinced. Only two names were considered allowable for Senate confirmation; Miers and Gonzales. When Bush met with Senators, he was reportedly told that these two names were the only ones that stood a chance to be confirmed, but Gonzales would face pointed questions about Abu Gharab, Gitmo, and the administration’s policy on torture. It would have been ugly, but he would have been confirmed against the added damage done by dejected a dejected conservative base, and liberal attacks on the President’s agenda. There would have also had to be a new search for an Attorney General, which would have been just as ugly.

Had Bush put up selections that would have been defeated, the chorus of ‘Lame Duck’ chanting coming out of Washington would have drowned out the President’s agenda. A defeat in the Senate would have also signaled to Congress that they were on their own, and no longer had to back up, support, or even listen to President Bush. They would have been free to play the political-calculation game that the Democrats have been playing for 6 years; avoiding tough votes that would be used against them in a future campaign.

So, what’s the bottom line?

The bottom line is that Bush did his best to give us what we want, in a way that will not hurt the prospects of the Conservative agenda. The primary thing that must be considered, is that the Congress can NEVER be put back in Democrat hands, for that would destroy all progress made up to now. Our day will come, but this aint it. If we had a Republican Senate made up of real patriots without the odd liberal in Republican clothing, things would be a lot better.

In Miers, Bush has clearly taken what he can get, and our best hope now is for another vacancy on the court before this administration’s term is up. The current makeup of the Congress will just not allow our agenda to be passed at this time without major sacrifices and pragmatic thinking to overcome the inherit weakness of having traitors in our midst.

It appears to me that Harriet Miers is the best CONFIRMABLE candidate for the Supreme Court at this time. This fact is not the fault of the President. Indeed it is OUR fault. It is us who have supported less than the best candidates for the Senate. We are responsible for Chaffee, Snowe, McCain, Graham, Lott, Frist and other persons of questionable courage. We should not be blaming Bush for our own votes. We selected the people that the President must rely upon to move his agenda forward. If they are losers, then he loses too.

Though they literally suck, we are stuck with these people because we must keep the majority to keep our agenda alive. There have been worse moments for us, but none would be worse than than the day we lose the Senate our House majorities. I now believe that although Bush disapointed many of us, that he did the very best he could do without destroying our momentum.

Yes, like Rush Limbaugh said, it was a choice made from weakness.

But the thing to remember, is that it was not Bush’s weakness, but our own, and that of the people we have elected to Congress that made this happen. Had they been strong, Bush could have selected anyone we wanted.

Because of what I now know about how and why Harriet Miers was selected, I withdraw my earlier statements against her, my statements suggesting anything less than my strong support of the President, and finally, my self imposed exile from Free Republic.

Pukin Dog is back, so deal with it.


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To: Principled
"I do a lot of lurking"

Too bad you don't do a whole lot more of it...

241 posted on 10/09/2005 4:28:28 PM PDT by A Jovial Cad ("It has been my experience that folks who have no vices have very few virtues." -Abraham Lincoln)
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To: Pukin Dog

What I said, is that he would send them to the floor. He will honor that, even if without his vote.


242 posted on 10/09/2005 4:28:36 PM PDT by Torie
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To: Pukin Dog
Your post confirms my decision to "wait and see", since I have already admitted my frustration regarding selecting judges on local levels.

I have several domestic policy issues with President Bush, but his not doing what he campaigned on, is not among them.
He generally seems to try to do exactly what he said he would do.

What floors me is the fact that many high profile partisan Republican "voices" squealed long and loud about this nomination.

I'm guessing the "problem" they have with Miers is that she may not be as rabidly politically partisan for their liking, not whether or not she is "conservative" enough on core constitutional issues.
I don't want a partisan Supreme Court Justice. I want thoughtfully conservative justices.

It will be interesting to see how this all works out.
243 posted on 10/09/2005 4:28:43 PM PDT by sarasmom (What is the legal daily bag limit for RINOs in the USA?)
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To: Torie
Personally, I don't care if you think I have gravitas or not....

..I was tired of folks accusing PD of imagining this and I was trying to get their attention.

If you care to read forward, I do give more info.

244 posted on 10/09/2005 4:28:55 PM PDT by Guenevere (God bless our military!...and God bless the President of the United States!)
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To: Pukin Dog

I like it. Thanks for the insight. I think we need to not let the MSM divide us. We need to give the Pres. some room to maneuver. He's under enormous pressure, and we all cannot afford to lose sight of the value of incremental gains.

p.


245 posted on 10/09/2005 4:29:50 PM PDT by Paul_B
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To: Cicero
There is a real temptation to believe the best. This is a is also one of those so important times in American history where there could be subterfuge on both sides.Specter fashions himself Benjamin Disraeli reincarnated.

The anger here is definitely righteous. Lesser men than Bush would be in a rubber room but as things are looking he may be a true Neocon with socially progressive tendencies. Bottom line this White House has done a poor job communicating with his country and his base. Gillespie did not help and Bush's pathetic Press Secretary is the more suitable mascot for this administration. Limbaugh and alt media have carried too much water already.

246 posted on 10/09/2005 4:30:10 PM PDT by NixonsAngryGhost (AFRICA IS THE LAST BASTION OF INTERNATIONAL SCOUNDRELS)
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To: Guenevere

Would you extend me the courtesy of copying and pasting the post to me as to what you think Hume said, exactly? I have asked you twice, and this is the third time.


247 posted on 10/09/2005 4:30:21 PM PDT by Torie
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To: Pukin Dog
I have to say that I didn't know about your issue #1, but I did suspect some of the favorite candidates might not have wanted the job. I knew Specter was a loose cannon and liable to pull just about anything, all the things in your second item ring true to me. I believe that Specter would never have voted for the Nuclear Option and needed to be added to the other defectors in any count.

I have been, however, arguing your third point since the Miers nomination and the criticism began. Which leads me to ....

The added issue is that conservatives who wanted a fight should have had it way back when the gang of 14 made their "deal". To sit back and, in hindsight, say we should fight amounts to not preparing the battlefield before the war and, then, second guessing the general who had to go with the field as is. Where were all these media pundits, then? I think the term "armchair general" was made just for them. They may have made some noise, then. But, if it wasn't enough, then, they're too late, now.
248 posted on 10/09/2005 4:30:29 PM PDT by Bush 100 Percent
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To: Torie
All I can say, is that if Brit Hume is saying what I just wrote here, you might cut me some slack?
249 posted on 10/09/2005 4:30:54 PM PDT by Pukin Dog (Sans Reproache)
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To: Pukin Dog
Indeed it is OUR fault. It is us who have supported less than the best candidates for the Senate. We are responsible for Chaffee, Snowe, McCain, Graham, Lott, Frist and other persons of questionable courage. We should not be blaming Bush for our own votes. We selected the people that the President must rely upon to move his agenda forward. If they are losers, then he loses too.

You are correct about the political environment in the senate. Snowe, Collins, Chaffee, Specter, Voinovitch, Warner and others are liberals. McCain, Lott and Hagel are trouble makers. Your above comment about who is responsible for this mess is right on target. It's the voters who elect these RINO's and Democrats in the senate who are responsible.

So-called conservative commentators like Goerge Will, Robert Bork, Ann Coulter and Mark Levin can easily forget about that factor when complaining about why we didn't get the Utopian pick. I'll give credit to both Thomas Sowell and Rush Limbaugh and a few others who have mentioned the political environment the president faces when he makes his nominations.

All of that said, what you didn't mention is that it will still come down to the hearings and what Miers says. Either she'll show to be a strict constructionist -- an originalist -- or she won't.

If she is a strict constructionist, then we have won and we would not have settled. If she is not, then we have lost, and lost badly.

And BTW, a comment for conservative commentators like Will, Levin, Coulter and Bork: It is the laws of this country that are complicated -- it is the principles of the Constitution that are easy. Not being from a clicky Ivy League school or some Northeast think-tank is not a demerit. It's a positive. And grass root conservatives can easily come to that conclusion minus the elitist conservative talking-heads who risk becoming -- like the elitist Democrat talking heads we have long despised -- OUT OF TOUCH!

250 posted on 10/09/2005 4:31:01 PM PDT by FreeReign
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To: A Jovial Cad

You've made two snotty posts on this thread. I don't see anything "jovial" about you, but I guess "cad" works.


251 posted on 10/09/2005 4:31:04 PM PDT by Clara Lou
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To: Pukin Dog

Maybe you're right. With all the RINOs in the senate, Mieers might be the best possible.


252 posted on 10/09/2005 4:31:25 PM PDT by Pittsburg Phil
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To: Guenevere

maybe Dog ISS Hume. ever see them in the same room??


253 posted on 10/09/2005 4:31:32 PM PDT by Annie5622
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To: Pukin Dog
I'm glad that you are able to now see what has been obvious to many of us since about an hour after the announcement. President Bush is giving us someone who he believes will judge as we want, who he thinks he can get confirmed. He knows how important this is, and his options are limited by the political reality of the Senate. He also has other fights that require his political capital and he can't spend every dime getting one of the "name" jurists through the confirmation process, even if they were up for the fight.

We just need to trust that he has thought through all the possibilities and that he can't explain everything to us. We have to read between the lines and have a bit of faith. I certainly do.

254 posted on 10/09/2005 4:31:44 PM PDT by RobFromGa (Afghanistan, Iraq, Iran-- what are we waiting for?)
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To: Clara Lou

Cry me a river...


255 posted on 10/09/2005 4:32:06 PM PDT by A Jovial Cad ("It has been my experience that folks who have no vices have very few virtues." -Abraham Lincoln)
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To: A Jovial Cad

LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


256 posted on 10/09/2005 4:32:07 PM PDT by Stellar Dendrite ( Mike Pence for President!!! http://acuf.org/issues/issue34/050415pol.asp)
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To: Torie
Only if you say ....please :^

See post #229....if that doesn't satisfy you, find the transcript somewhere.

257 posted on 10/09/2005 4:32:27 PM PDT by Guenevere (God bless our military!...and God bless the President of the United States!)
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To: Torie

The point is Ginsberg made pot a precedent for rejection. Maybe it would be cool and hip in your view to to try to undo that precedent (for those who presumably need it undone), and even try to finesse it by saying people who were in the military can be "excused" for not having been potheads in their youth, but if there is a pot history in the FR rockstar judges, and Bush knew it, he can't nominate them. It would be a silly thing to do. It would be needless ammo to give to the left.

So on my list . . . way above here now in the thread, item #2 is valid.


258 posted on 10/09/2005 4:32:29 PM PDT by Owen
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To: Pukin Dog

and if Stevens should pass away tomorrow - I guess that means we get Gonzales, because your source that is the only other person Specter supports. So I guess the entire SCOTUS judge selection process has been ceded to Specter apparently.

Based on your information, I hope Bush doesn't get to replace any other justices. Better to leave it to the next president, I'll take my chances there.


259 posted on 10/09/2005 4:32:41 PM PDT by oceanview
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To: Bush 100 Percent
Exactly right. The gang of 14 just killed us. And you know who their leaders were, right? Some the same RINOs that will destroy our agenda should they ever gain enough power.
260 posted on 10/09/2005 4:32:50 PM PDT by Pukin Dog (Sans Reproache)
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