Posted on 10/08/2005 4:03:10 AM PDT by LibertyRocks
Toss a rock into a pack of dogs and if you heard yelping, you know one has been hit.
If these people would stand against the terrorists and with the lovers of freedom, they wouldn't have this problem.
Instead, I read the their forums and they whine about people's attitudes, and about suspicions, and about our ignorance of Islam.
PLease, all you Muslims, educate us! We want to beleive that you aren't complicit in all this! The burden of proof is on you.
That in itself should tell volumes...
Here's the Summary I've been working on the last few days that I quickly updated. I apologize for lack of proper grammar. I hope I haven't left anything important out. Please alert me if I did. I will be cross-posting this to the original thread, as well as on Backhoe's compilation thread.
UPDATED (10/08) "Cliff Notes" summary...
First, the MSM is still following the AP and Official Story as well as keeping the lid on things for the most part - Several local media outlets in both CO and OK are not buying the official line and have done their own in-depth reporting. Channel 9 and Channel 4 in particular are doing a better job than ANY of the other channels/papers. The local station in CO Springs - KKTV Ch. 11 deserves a plug here too.
Agencies investigating are reported as: Homeland Security, Joint Terrorism Task Force, FBI, Norman and OU PD, ATFE (BATF). FBI has officially taken the lead in this investigation although they are not releasing details at this time.
1.) Someone set off a bomb sometime between 7:20 and 8pm outside the OU/Kansas State game on Oct. 1, 2005. There are discrepancies on the exact time and we are working on getting a definitive time right now. The blast itself according to those at the game reportedly shook the walls of the stadium itself and the noise was heard over the crowd and gameplay. There are reports that the explosion could be heard for a fair distance from the location itself.
FReeper PhiKapMom overheard witnesses telling police that they saw "two Middle Eastern" men running from the scene. The witnesses were an Iranian (Persian) girl, and her boyfriend who is a member of the same Frat as PhiKapMom's son. PhiKapMom also states that the male witness' face was still red from the heat of the blast...
2.) One person reportedly killed. He has tentatively* been identified as 21-year-old Joel Henry Hinrichs III of Colorado Springs, a mechanical engineering student at OU. He was a member of the Triangle Fraternity. He graduated from Wasson High School. He was a National Merit Scholar although he lost that scholarship (Ch. 4 OKC)
Although his father and the MSM media (AP) and one local channel (ch.5) adamantly maintain he was not associated with muslims, and was not one himself he was living with a Pakistani roommate who is(more on him later...). Boren (OU Pres.), FBI and others are trying to play this off as an "isolated incident" and a suicide by a "mentally unstable" young man. Connecting the dots in this story does NOT lead to that conclusion.
Please note his father on 10/07 stated that Joel was "conservative" - earlier the Father said he was "apolitical". It has already been established by the CO Gazette that the last time his father saw him was in Jan. of '05 when Joel stopped by for a half-hour on his way through town on a "road trip".
It is reported that Mr. Hinrichs had a ticket to the game and attempted to enter the stadium (containing approx. 84000 people) with a backpack through at least 2 gates** before running away when asked to allow a search of his bag. (confirmed by several different media outlets). He then went and sat at a bench by the bus loading area.
Some reports state he was taking stuff out of his backpack and trying to put it on his person or fiddling with it somehow and it went off. (Many articles have stated the bomb that exploded was strapped onto the person's body).
The bus driver reported on 10/07 in an interview that when he saw Hinrichs on the bench shortly before the blast he was "bent over" and he said he assumed the person was sleeping.
Seeing as there was a large amount of explosives found in his apartment (see below) it might be assumed that this was an "accident" of some sort and he probably didn't mean to be killed... Report from KKTV Ch. 11 in Colorado Springs reporting on 10/06/05 that the bomb that went off was a "remote-controlled" device.
(* After reports of his identity and comments from his family were obtained by various media outlets in CO and OK they are now saying that there must be DNA testing and it could take a while.
**Report of attempted entry attributed to OU student Adam Smith via several news interviews. States that a gate security guard told him someone ran off after the guard tried to search the backpack he was carrying.)
3.) Five others reported injured and then the 5 injured "disappeared" from the reporting with articles only mentioning that one was killed. I personally followed up with the media outlet (CFRA.com) that was running the story with the 5 injured report. They state that the original report came from usaradio.com. After I contacted them they removed the "5 injured" statement. (I have screen shots to confirm this).
5 "accomplices" were mentioned in reporting on 10/05 out of Oklahoma (Ch. 4 or 9) - reporter says may have been involved with the bombing or taking stuff out of suspected "suicide's" apartment.
4.) Police responding with bomb squad found and detonated a second package containing what is now said to have contained materials or "parts" of a bomb (Ch. 9 - OKC - 10/06). This was originally reported as a second device by authorities (including OU Pres. Boren). Reports state this package was found in the lower-level of the nearby parking garage (early newspaper reports). This claim was later refuted by Boren (10/02).
Authorities on the scene cordoned off the area around the park bench where the explosion occurred and PADLOCKED the gates of the Stadium and did not let people leave until the end of the game. At that time they let everyone out of gates away from the crime scene.
5.) FBI cleared out apartment building on 10/02 and such and hauled away explosives deemed very volatile and exploded them on the local PDs test range before notifying others. People report hearing that explosion some 4-5 miles from the range. Also found in the apartment was Islamic papers and such (THIS REPORT OF PAPERS IS "RUMORED" at this time).
FBI also confiscated items out of Hindrich's car - clearly seen paperwork left in the car which is still parked outside his apartment complex indicate 12 plastic bottles. Reports that came out before the search warrant was sealed also state that they confiscated his hard-drive.
The FBI also took the bench in question which was replaced on Sunday (I think) - I do know it was replaced very quickly after authorities took down the tape and such.
6.) The device used and presumably stuff detonated the next day were TATP - "mother of satan" is the name the Islamic Jihadists call it. Very volatile substance. Again KKTV Ch. 11 is now reporting that this was a remote control device located on Hindrichs back.
7.) Roommate of Joel Hinrichs is named Fazal M. Cheema and is reportedly MIA at this time. There were reports he was brought back in for questioning and then released back to his apartment but this has been reported as not accurate. Ch. 5 is reporting he has "relocated" somewhere in Norman.
Reports state that an airline ticket belonging to this person for a date in the future was for a trip to Algeria (Confirmed reported on KKTV11 out of CO Springs 10/06 & local OK stations).
Cheema was taken into custody by the FBI and released along with several others in the apartment he was seen emerging from the night of October 1st.
8.) There are reports of Joel being seen at a local mosque on numerous occassions (Ch.9 or 4 reported this - can't remember which off-hand - doing this summary from memory). (THERE ARE CONFLICTING REPORTS COMING OUT ABOUT THIS "ASSERTION" ) . It is known that his roommate visited the mosque.
9.) Hinrichs attempted to buy Ammonium Nitrate several days before the blast at the local feed store (Ellison's). The owner of the feed store states that Joel came in asking to purchase a large amount. When asked why he needed it the owner of the feed store said he mumbled an answer. The owner reports that Hindrichs was dressed in a green vest with many pockets (photographer's type).
Norman PD verified today (10/06) that an undercover police officer was in the store at the time and got a license plate number. The Norman PD officer called in the tag numbers and Joel came back "clean" on paper. Norman PD held a press conference today (10/06) and stated that the officer followed procedure and would've alerted others when he returned to work on the following Monday - two days after the bombing.
10.) Jayna Davis, author of "The Third Terrorist" reported in an interview today on the (10/06) that she called the Attorney General requesting a copy of the search warrant used by the FBI. The AG stated that the file was sealed. When she asked him why - if this was a lone suicide - the file was sealed she said he became uncomfortable. She further pressed and he was forced to admit that there was still an ongoing investigation. The AG refused to speculate on whether the file would ever be opened or when.
Suffice to say that most of us who have been following this story agree that it stinks to high heaven as far as the "official line" goes.
This is especially true considering the history of Norman, OK, OKC, OU, and the presence of Hamas and Al Qaeda groups which are known to law enforcement. (Massoui(SP?), Atta, Nick Berg, et al...)
Some early reports that couldn't be necessarily relied upon (verboten site to FR & WND using their info) are now being confirmed and reported in bits and pieces by local media in CO & OK as well.
Probably the most remarkable thing about all of this is the lack of coverge in the MSM nationwide. Fox originally broke the story and then pulled it. A google search of news (on 10/03) showed only 300 or so articles the other day vs. over 6,000 for Bali and over 1600 for the NY boating accident which took place on the 2nd.
This is slowly changing over the last day or so (10/08) as several editorial writers have commented on this and the AP has released another updated article.
To get caught up on Eyewitness reports you may wish to scan through for posts from PhiKapMom on this thread (and others) - she was there and has a lot of relevant information. Rte66 has done some excellent background searching. Cindy has been posting updating links listings and, a few days ago backhoe put up a thread with a compilation of links as well.
Many other Freepers have contributed parts as always - TEAMWORK is key!!! Thanks to all who have been pinging me and freepmailing me and others with info!
For new articles and such the keyword: NORMANBOMBING is being used to tie all threads together.
I will keep editing and adding to this summary and posting on this thread probably once a day. There is more I could add tonight but I'm falling asleep! LOL
Again thanks for everyone's assistance in gathering information on this event!
LibertyRocks
Re your comments: Add in that he used TATP, which is a big Islamist terrorist favorite, despite its instability.
Like gee...since all these bombers are Muslims, how can you not think of it. These are Muslims who believe in "killing for the sake of killing"...even their own. They are sick, sick sick. They were taught hate, hate, hate....all the Christians, all the Jews.
See #6 in my summary. I do appreciate your help though! (o:
I fear this is going to be covered up just as OKC '95 was. I've got my fingers crossed that the feds are keeping quiet because this thing reaches beyond Norman, perhaps as far as NYC, and they don't want to compromise the investigation. But I see shades of OKC '95. Of course, the primary reason for that cover-up was Klintoon, and he's not a factor today. But a lot of folks on the case today were on the case back then as well, and they might not want to dig too deeply this time for fear it'll expose their involvement in the '95 cover-up. Maybe they think they should let a sleeping dog lie.
Since this article conveniently leaves out all the other links between Norman and terrorism, I'm going to post this list from the site that shall remain nameless. I think I'll post it on every OU Bombing thread from now on. Everything in red is from the site. What follows in black are my own comments.
The Gulf War never ended. We signed a cease-fire and kept our end of the bargain, but Saddam continued hostilities throughout the 90's in the only way he could -- through terrorism. And he linked with Al Qaeda to do it, each one fighting on a different front but with much cross-pollination centered in Norman. So what has happened since '91?
1) WTC '93, masterminded by Iraqi agent Ramzi Yousef
2) OKC '95, by Tim McVeigh and Terry Nichols, but aided by Iraqi agents
3) TWA 800, probably by Al Qaeda
4) Embassies in Africa, by Al Qaeda
5) U.S.S. Cole, by Al Qaeda
6) 9/11, by Al Qaeda, but executed in a manner remarkably similar to Yousef's Project Bojinka to finish what Yousef started back in '93.
For twelve years, we sat and waited for the UN to do its inspections while Saddam continued fighting and Al Qaeda joined the battle. And Klintoon fiddled through it all, while the sheeple failed to connect the dots right in front of their faces.
When GW started the Iraq War in 2003, he was simply resuming hostilities on our side and doing what Klintoon should have done but avoided like the plague. The Iraq War isn't a new war. It isn't even Gulf War Part Two. It is a resumption of the Gulf War after twelve years of cease-fire constantly violated by Saddam with both weapons inspections shenanigans and terrorist actions. Saddam is now out of the war, but Al Qaeda continues it. It needs to be finished, no matter what it takes, no matter how long.
No contact with the local mosque is not equal to not a TROP sympathizer.
Dialing the ASPCA and PETA right now /sarcasm
Dog communities fear association with pit bull,
rush to lick hands and assume lovable poses
We're so damn aware that anything unofficial that comes out is spinned to death, I like to look at the info and then wait.
I don't think the DC Sniper and his creepy little kid attended a Mosque. Maybe the word is "stay out of your local Mosque so you won't be observed".
Perhaps he should accuse himself of prejudice, because he's essentially admitting that his first thought was that it might have been a Muslim, and that his second thought was that he hoped it didn't turn out to be one. He's admitting that he had the same reflexive thought we do when a bomb goes off as to the likely culprit. If Muslims are against violence, as he says, why did the possibility a Muslim was involved immediately jump to mind and make him hope he was wrong? He certainly seems to have jumped to a conclusion, and then hoped that conclusion was wrong. But the rest of us, according to Boren, should not jump to the very same conclusion that this Muslim did, who knows his own kind better than we do.
Then obviously the Baptitst Ladies' Aid of Crawford, TX conspired with the Knights of Columbus and the Jewish Defense League to perpetrate 9/11.
"Elyazgi emphasized that Islam forbids suicide and Muslims condemn all acts of violence."
Oh, please.
It sure seems that the MSM is trying to sweep this under the rug.
Thanks much for the excellent dissertation.
I agree this whole stinks and now we find out that the NYC subway system is/was a target - scheduled for tomorrow? TOOOO many coincidences.
Thought of something major I've forgotten to include. There is reportedly a year's amount of time during which Hinrichs' whereabouts cannot be accounted for... Has this changed?
I totally deny any association with the right wing nut jobs at that Free Republic site and I dare you to prove otherwise!/sarcasm off.
You're very welcome Sacajaweau. Thanks you for the compliment. (o:
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