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READ MY LIPS: THOMAS AND SCALIA
Me | 10-7-02 | Me

Posted on 10/07/2005 8:51:48 PM PDT by Urbane_Guerilla

Don't you remember the utter let-down when elder Bush broke the fundamental promise he made, "No new taxes"?

The promise was not merely a bow to the Laffer curve, it was an emotional and pyschological statement to the many people in this country who still believe in constitutional goverment, and who knew that taxation was the means to undermine constitutional government, liberty and freedom, to put it another way.

The younger Bush promised a Thomas or Scalia for the same reasons: to tell the believers in constitutional government that supporting him would mean a definitive change in the jurisprudence of this country, jurisprudence which adhered to the basic concepts in our Constitution, not to a sort of current intellectual church of what's happening now.

In both cases, there was an even deeper issue, the issue of integrity. Integrity is the first principle of conservatism. Integrity means an unflinching openness to the facts and faithful adherence to principle.

"No new taxes," "Thomas and Scalia."

Unlike the Left, conservatives usually have the integrity to call out their own, regardless of political cost. The subtle political benefit of integrity is that there are so many people (conservatives) who vote for the politician who is actually honest.

Now, it is not a matter of calling out one of our own. It is a matter of calling out a charlatan, who pretended to be one of our own.


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KEYWORDS: elitism; harrietmiers; lookatme; runyourself; seminarposter; snob; supremecourt; supremevanity; vanitypost; worthlessvanity
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To: Eva; flashbunny; PJ-Comix; Wormwood; Slings and Arrows
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241 posted on 10/08/2005 12:22:14 AM PDT by Do not dub me shapka broham ("I'm okay with being unimpressive. It helps me sleep better.")
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To: Urbane_Guerilla

My belief is that in this political climate with a weak Senate leader and squishy Republican Senators, the President knew ahead of time that anyone like Luttig or Jones with a long paper trail of Conservative decisions would never even muster 51 votes.


242 posted on 10/08/2005 12:23:22 AM PDT by Cincinna (HILLARY and her HINO want to take over your country. STOP THEM NOW!)
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To: carton253
Same thing that's worrying others. She's not a proven, solid originalist. Bush had a vast pool to choose from. No roll of the dice. Michael Luttig, Janice Rogers Brown, etc.

This was Bush's chance to guarantee a mainly conservative Supreme Court. I hope it happens, but it's an if, in my mind.

243 posted on 10/08/2005 12:24:52 AM PDT by doesnt suffer fools gladly (Bush haters are insane.)
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To: Eva
"Nattering nabobs of negativity, all of them."

Okay, Mrs. Agnew, this time I resemble that remark. I call them the way I see them and the way I believe they are.

The last pick was a good 'un. NOT this one, Sorry.

244 posted on 10/08/2005 12:25:05 AM PDT by TAdams8591 (A Reagan Conservative and mighty proud of it.)
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To: Blowtorch
Yes but we could have had O'Conner vs. almost any conservative candidate and have answered the question the same way.

How can you answer that question if the other candidate wouldn't have been confirmed? If he can't get them on the Court, why could they possibly be "better" than O'Conner?

Are you saying that Bush made the decision to go with a mediocre candidate rather than taking the risk of not being backed up by the Senate?

No, I'm saying that he nominated a candidate who is absolutely positive will NOT "drift" once she gets on the Court -- one that will definitely take the Court rightward.

If that's the case, I think it's a bad choice by Bush - I'm not as convinced as you are that it wouldn't be doable.

I'm positive he couldn't have gotten anybody else confirmed with the way the Gang has screwed him; I believe he's going to get another shot at the Court and after Miers is on the Court, you're going to see the next nominee blow the Democrats' collective peabrains; but I don't think it will be anybody who has already been named/listed.

245 posted on 10/08/2005 12:25:39 AM PDT by Howlin
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To: Do not dub me shapka broham

I love laura...I hope she beats cancer!


246 posted on 10/08/2005 12:26:28 AM PDT by Stellar Dendrite ( Mike Pence for President!!! http://acuf.org/issues/issue34/050415pol.asp)
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To: TAdams8591

Make a list of your reasons.


247 posted on 10/08/2005 12:26:36 AM PDT by Eva
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To: carton253

I think just because she helped to pick them, doesn't mean she does.


248 posted on 10/08/2005 12:27:09 AM PDT by TAdams8591 (A Reagan Conservative and mighty proud of it.)
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To: Cincinna
Again, that's speculation.

For the sake of argument, let's say that one of the preferable candidates for this position weren't able to muster a sufficient number of votes to quash a threatened filibuster-a filibuster that is a matter of supposition-it would not be the end of the world.

President Bush could have then nominated Harriet Miers, or any of a number of less qualified individuals, as a replacement, as was the case when Judge Bork's nomination was rejected by a majority of dimwitted, politically vindictive Senators, who did not have even the most rudimentary grasp of Constitutional principles.

249 posted on 10/08/2005 12:28:07 AM PDT by Do not dub me shapka broham ("I'm okay with being unimpressive. It helps me sleep better.")
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To: Eva
I've listed them several times and am NOT going to go through it again, tonight.

You are more then welcome to read my posts.

250 posted on 10/08/2005 12:29:17 AM PDT by TAdams8591 (A Reagan Conservative and mighty proud of it.)
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To: Do not dub me shapka broham

LOL!!!! Very Funny!


251 posted on 10/08/2005 12:30:23 AM PDT by TAdams8591 (A Reagan Conservative and mighty proud of it.)
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To: Stellar Dendrite
You and me both!

We <3 you, Laura!

:)

252 posted on 10/08/2005 12:30:41 AM PDT by Do not dub me shapka broham ("I'm okay with being unimpressive. It helps me sleep better.")
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To: dagnabbit

Am I supposed to be sad that our President remains alive after that encounter?


253 posted on 10/08/2005 12:35:40 AM PDT by Kryptonite
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To: Do not dub me shapka broham

Harvard Business School 101:
Know the results before you stick your neck out.
George Bush had a vote count analysis done on
10-15possible nominees and saw he could not appoint a Luttig or Jones and get the 51 votes.
Neither Scalia nor Thomas ( obviously) could be confirmed in today's poisoned partisan atmosphere with a squishy Republican Senate.
Flibuster/nuclear option would never come into play; the 51 votes just aren't there.


254 posted on 10/08/2005 12:39:03 AM PDT by Cincinna (HILLARY and her HINO want to take over your country. STOP THEM NOW!)
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To: Howlin
It doesn't mean Bush is right about her.

The people she helped to pick all had some sort of track record and appropriate experience. She doesn't.

In fact, she wouldn't have been able to pick someone like herself and didn't.

255 posted on 10/08/2005 12:40:28 AM PDT by TAdams8591 (A Reagan Conservative and mighty proud of it.)
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To: Cincinna
As I alluded to in my previous post, this is irrelevant.

Even if these choices were rejected-and the only case in which we can even be remotely certain of that outcome is that of JRB-he still had the default option of nominating Harriet Miers.

There is no alternate dimension in which Ms. Miers is the best nominee-female or otherwise-for this vacancy, but even that aspect of this nomination is not what bothers me so much about this choice.

No one can honestly expect someone to make the "best" choice in this situation, since that is an entirely arbitrary, subjective standard.

However, I was hoping-and apparently I was much too optimistic in this expectation-that President Bush would choose one of the "better" individuals from his short list.

Unfortunately, he has failed to cross even that threshold.

256 posted on 10/08/2005 12:45:45 AM PDT by Do not dub me shapka broham ("I'm okay with being unimpressive. It helps me sleep better.")
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To: Howlin
"25 percent. No matter how many times you say it, 25 percent is not "many."

Let's have a look at the 2004 election poll run here at FR, shall we?

Bush 78.5%
Const Party 5.7%
Kerry 4.6%
Libertarian 4.3%
Undecided 3.3%
Sit it out 2.7%
Other 0.8%

Yep, the malcontent numbers haven't changed much have they?
257 posted on 10/08/2005 2:02:30 AM PDT by KingKongCobra (Trying to save the "Donner Party" from themselves.)
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To: PeoplesRepublicOfWashington
I recall that Thomas, during his confirmation period, was considered to be a judicial lightweight. He turned out pretty well.

Thomas always suffered the charge that he never spoke or wrote opinions. He just kept silent and continued to vote for the law and the Constitution.

Perhaps Miers will follow his lead.

258 posted on 10/08/2005 3:49:50 AM PDT by DCPatriot ("It aint what you don't know that kills you. It's what you know that aint so" Theodore Sturgeon)
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To: Urbane_Guerilla
I believe the "smirk" is directed at the press, in such case, way to go, Mr. President.

If you're talking about that grin he comes up with all too often when seeming inapropriate, remember that the MSM...no friend of George... chooses the sound bite and video clips.

259 posted on 10/08/2005 3:56:08 AM PDT by DCPatriot ("It aint what you don't know that kills you. It's what you know that aint so" Theodore Sturgeon)
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To: Urbane_Guerilla

After being royally shafted by Republican presidents who have left horrible Supreme Court picks in their wake, did this president not consider how this weak choice would be received? That proves he isn't a conservative or he would have known. We don't need a Souter-in-a-skirt to sit on the court for the next 20 years, diluting the votes of the real conservatives, Thomas and Scalia. This was a real slap in the face to these good men who have borne the heat and burden of battle all these years, with only haphazard support from O'Connor. Whoever advised the president on this choice should be fired...unless it was Laura, who can't be fired.


260 posted on 10/08/2005 3:59:30 AM PDT by kittymyrib
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