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Miers' Religion Is Irrelevant (Rush: Get A Grip Folks, Personal Faith Means Squat In SCOTUS Alert)
Rush Limbaugh.com ^ | 10/05/05 | Rush Limbaugh

Posted on 10/05/2005 7:50:11 PM PDT by goldstategop

RUSH: Jim in Needham, Massachusetts, welcome to the program.

CALLER: Listen, Rush, where's the stealth? Where's the lack of debate? Everybody knows what -- Harriet Miers is a born again pro-life Christian fundamentalist. She's probably the closest thing to having Bush on the Supreme Court himself. So there's nothing stealth. There's going to be a debate.

RUSH: Oh, come on, Jim. Let's not go off the deep end here. She is stealth in that she has no written opinions that can be targeted. Don't deny that.

CALLER: Yeah, but everybody knows her background. They can ask her questions about being pro-life, fundamentalist, born-again, Christian.

RUSH: No, they're not going to have to do that. That's what the White House is putting out. The White House is making sure everybody knows this woman is a born-again evangelical, pro-life, as I think that's what the White House thinks that it takes to purchase the support of the base.

CALLER: Precisely. So where's the stealth?

RUSH: The stealth is that there's more than just Roe vs. Wade that's going to come up before the court, for crying out loud!

CALLER: Rush --

RUSH: Look, I don't want to argue, Jim. You and I are not on different sides here. This is not arguable that she's stealth. She is "stealth" in the sense that there is not a lot for Democrats to shoot at other than this religion business, and the White House knows full well that by the time Schumer and Dick Durbin and the rest of them get all ginned up on her evangelical Christian beliefs, that they're going to be fit to be tied; they're going to become discombobulated and they're going to step in another bag of excrement that the White House put right out in front of them. I know that's what the strategy is.

CALLER: Well, Rush, she's not stealth in other areas, too. For instance, she's been involved in the war on terror intimately since the beginning, so she's not stealth on that, either!

RUSH: (sighs)

CALLER: Really, when you really look at it, she's probably the most un-stealth candidate there is.

RUSH: Now, Jim, you didn't know any of this until it was told you and you don't know it yourself. You're trusting other people who are telling you this and vouching for it to believe it. It is stealth. You don't know it! You don't really know it. You believe it because you believe what's been put out there. That's fine. I'm not arguing with you. But in terms of somebody else who has obvious conservative credentials, ideological credentials, judicial credentials that have been written and published and so forth, that's what I mean by, "She's stealth," and also what I mean by stealth is that she's an invisible target, and I'm talking for the Democrats. I'm not saying, "She's a total unknown." I'm saying that she's a small target on the Democrat radar. That's what stealth means, or a non-target, and the reason for that is it gives them less to shoot at and enhances her chances for confirmation -- and, please, listen, I've tried to be as explicit on this. This is the third day in a row, now.

I have no brief against this woman. You do not have to sell her to me. This is not the point. I'm not opposed to her because she's her. I'm not opposed to her. I have no brief against her. There are just obviously better choices. That's all it is to me. But, please, if you're a born-again, evangelical Christian, right-wing fundamentalist, whatever, don't get all offended here because I'll tell you what: The fact that this about her is being put out as fluently and loudly as it is, means that all hell is going to break loose, because as far as the left is concerned when it comes to confirmation -- go back to Dianne Feinstein: "There's only one thing that matters, and that's Roe vs. Wade." So this is a signal that she is pro-life. It's not a "signal," it's a statement that she's pro-life, and that's all you need to know about her -- and that's enough for the left to lose it, and as they lose it, we're going to get half of what I wanted in the fight anyway. A they lose it, people are going to see who they are. They can't help themselves. So we're not on opposite sides here, Jim. We're arguing semantics, I think.

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Anyway, the guy who called about Harriet Miers and she's not stealth because she's pro-life and she's evangelical, look, folks, the issue first of all isn't whether she's evangelical. The issue is whether her religious beliefs will help her decide a case like Roe vs. Wade. I mean, that's what everybody is assuming. Nominees are asked repeatedly if they can put their personal views and faith aside as they rule, and to a man and woman they all say, "Yes." They have to say that. We know that Anthony Kennedy was a very religious Catholic, and yet he's the justice who wrote the decision in Lawrence vs. Texas which found the federal constitutional right to same-sex sodomy in the Fourteenth Amendment -- and it's not there! But he found it, and in the process overturned 19 state laws. So (sigh). Harriet Miers, evangelical, born again, good Christian, Bush knows her. For this reason, he has ultimate faith in her. All that I understand. The assumption is that people are making is, "Okay, she's safe because that means she's pro-life."

Well, the left is going to have a conniption fit over this, and she's going to have to say at the hearings that whatever her personal beliefs are will have no bearing on her ruling. They're required to say this. Even if they're lying, they are required to say it -- and as I said, there are a lot more issues than just Roe vs. Wade on this court that have profound impact on the country, this foreign law business, Kelo, eminent domain. This Oregon case is big. I mean, constantly the court is taking cases like this that ought not even be decided at the court, folks. This Oregon case is one thing that I think could be, and should, but they take a lot of cases they have no business taking. They ought to be decided -- and Roe was one of them, ought to be decided -- in the legislatures of the states or at the Congress by the elected representatives of the people. That's another thing. The court has appropriated all this power to decide these political issues and call their decisions "law." This is problematic, and it's fundamental to get it straightened around. It is really what these two elections have been about, if you want to know the truth. It's what everybody has been working for, for 20 or 30 years, because this court's been out of control for even longer than that.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Editorial; Government; Philosophy; US: District of Columbia
KEYWORDS: bowbeforeharriet; harrietmiers; presidentbush; religion; rushlimbaugh; scotus; stealthcandidate; talkradio; trustme
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To: flashbunny
Rush limbaugh needs to go back to DU! He's no conservative!

(now let's wait for the personal attacks on Rush to commence...many of them coming from self-proclaimed Christians)

If Rush Limbaugh harbors any misgivings or concerns about this nomination whatsoever -- no matter how considered; regardless of foundation -- HE ISN'T A REAL CONSERVATIVE!

Michelle Malkin disagrees with this nomination? Then: SHE ISN'T A REAL CONSERVATIVE!

Ann Coulter disagrees? SHE ISN'T A REAL CONSERVATIVE, EITHER!

George Will? The conservative activist attorneys over at Powerline? The entire editorial staff of The National Review? FILTHY, STINKING FALSE CONSERVATIVES, ALL OF THEM!

Only those who bow and pay homage before the grand and glorious Harriet Miers [Insert Angelic Choir Here] are REAL CONSERVATIVES, ultimately! That is the sole, true litmus test of modern conservatism: "Are you Pro-Harriet... or are you (soulless, unwashed heathen) ANTI-Harriet, instead...?"

There. Hopefully, I've just saved the cheerleaders and pom-pom wavers the time and effort of informing us all, for the nine hundredth and ninety-second time, that anyone/everyone disagreeing with this nomination, for whatever reason, is -- in actual point of fact -- the illegitimately whelped progeny of Michael Moore and Hillary Clinton. Presumably, they will forgive me for (accurately) summarizing their arguments, in doing so.

41 posted on 10/05/2005 8:48:41 PM PDT by KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle ("As a conservative site, Free Republic is pro-G-d, PRO-LIFE..." -- FR founder Jim Robinson)
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle

I guess that makes Harry Reid a real conservative. ;-)


42 posted on 10/05/2005 8:50:13 PM PDT by Phocion ("Protection" really means exploiting the consumer. - Milton Friedman)
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To: OldFriend
Just what issue that might come before the Court is about to impact you personally?

OMG...are you serious?!

43 posted on 10/05/2005 8:50:48 PM PDT by Ladysmith ((NRA and SAS) 2005 WI PPA/CCW Ping List ~Contact me if you want on/off the ping list~)
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To: Phocion
I guess that makes Harry Reid a real conservative. ;-)

Using their logic? Definitely. :)

44 posted on 10/05/2005 8:51:45 PM PDT by KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle ("As a conservative site, Free Republic is pro-G-d, PRO-LIFE..." -- FR founder Jim Robinson)
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To: Phocion; flashbunny; goldstategop
No, wait!

Haven't you heard?

Reid is LDS.

A devout Mormon, who's pro-life, no less!

Trust me.

45 posted on 10/05/2005 8:54:15 PM PDT by Do not dub me shapka broham ("I'm okay with being unimpressive. It helps me sleep better.")
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To: Huck
Neither did the Senate who approved him.

Harriet Meirs will be approved too.

46 posted on 10/05/2005 8:55:51 PM PDT by Graybeard58 (Remember and pray for Sgt. Matt Maupin - MIA/POW- Iraq since 04/09/04)
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To: va4me
Wrong, it is important for all of us to know her, and then let our Senators know how we feel they should vote, either for or against.

For some of us, that's pointless.

47 posted on 10/05/2005 8:57:19 PM PDT by Lexinom
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To: Graybeard58
Harriet Miers will make the same kind of responses. Roberts reply could not have been anything else. The questions are predictable and so are the responses. Candidates as smart as Roberts and I think Harriet Miers too just aren't going to screw up when being questioned by light weights like Schumer, Kennedy and rino Arlen Specter.

John G Roberts, Jr has been known to conservatives for a very long time. I remember him being nominated by George H.W. Bush to the U.S. Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia in 1992 because I thought he was so young to be so wise and accomplished. Then he was renominated to the same spot by Bush 43 early and he was filibustered. Finally in 2003 they had his hearings and he was spectacular and he took the bench at that time.

Nobody outside the the President's and Miss Miers immediate circle know anything about her. It is only natural that Conservatives feel blind sided and betrayed when the likes of Luttig, McConnell, Brown, Owen, Alito, et. al have established themselves before the public so well.

48 posted on 10/05/2005 8:57:32 PM PDT by msnimje (Hurricane KATRINA - An Example of Nature's Enforcement of Eminent Domain)
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To: Ladysmith

I thought I was addressing Huck. He dismissed my priorities and said his was the Court as being the most important thing in his life.


49 posted on 10/05/2005 8:58:03 PM PDT by OldFriend (One Man With Courage Makes a Majority ~ Andrew Jackson)
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To: Graybeard58
Harriet Meirs will be approved too.

Unless she really bombs and appears to be incompetent, then I think you are right.

50 posted on 10/05/2005 8:58:34 PM PDT by Huck ("Sometimes you're better off not knowing how much you've been had." --Bob Dylan)
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To: Huck

Ouch - how did you find that? It's a great catch.


51 posted on 10/05/2005 8:59:33 PM PDT by July 4th (A vacant lot cancelled out my vote for Bush.)
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To: Lexinom
for some of us, it's important, because we have two senators on the judiciary committee.

Not that I like them, but they're on there.
52 posted on 10/05/2005 9:01:40 PM PDT by flashbunny (Suggested New RNC Slogan: "The Republican Party: Who else you gonna vote for?")
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To: msnimje

Brown would have been my pick but I didn't get to pick. Nothing wrong with questioning the Pres judgement in his choice but Harriet Miers is the woman of the hour now, there aren't any other options.

That's not fatalism, that's reality.


53 posted on 10/05/2005 9:01:56 PM PDT by Graybeard58 (Remember and pray for Sgt. Matt Maupin - MIA/POW- Iraq since 04/09/04)
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To: July 4th
Ouch - how did you find that? It's a great catch.

Scary, isn't it?

54 posted on 10/05/2005 9:02:09 PM PDT by Huck ("Sometimes you're better off not knowing how much you've been had." --Bob Dylan)
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To: flashbunny
Like the personal attacks on Miers coming from so-called Christians?  Like those ones or different?

I have to think back to the Buchanan Brigade days to remember a time when FR behaved so childishly.

55 posted on 10/05/2005 9:02:26 PM PDT by Psycho_Bunny (Jews don't eat pigs because pigs are unclean. Muslims don't because it's cannibalism.)
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To: July 4th

I actually posted the whole thing. It got a total of five replies.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1497352/posts


56 posted on 10/05/2005 9:03:28 PM PDT by Huck ("Sometimes you're better off not knowing how much you've been had." --Bob Dylan)
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To: goldstategop
The question really should never be what a nominee believes. That is irrelevant with reference to the law. The question should be whether they understand the law and the Constitution intelligently enough to know that SCOTUS has been inventing laws and reading quack liberal social science back into the Constitution (particularly in crackpot rulings like Roe vs. Wade). It is an intellectual matter of how people understand the Constitution. That the U.S. Constitution does not grant a universal "right" to take the life of unborn humans indiscriminately throughout the nine months of development including infanticidal murder as in "partial-birth" abortion is a matter of direct knowledge not beliefs. Quack wacko liberal secular humanists made up the "right to abortion" in their deranged fantasies during the sordid 1970s.


57 posted on 10/05/2005 9:05:52 PM PDT by HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity
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To: Huck
Unless she really bombs and appears to be incompetent, then I think you are right.

It's not going to take a lot of intellect to stay ahead of Schumer, Specter and the drunk fat one.

I for one would welcome the dems trying a filibuster, it's time to put them in their place and let them learn what being in the minority is all about.

58 posted on 10/05/2005 9:06:11 PM PDT by Graybeard58 (Remember and pray for Sgt. Matt Maupin - MIA/POW- Iraq since 04/09/04)
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To: Graybeard58
Harriet Miers is the woman of the hour now, there aren't any other options.

I just hope she is strong in the hearings and she can allay all our fears. But I also hope the dust up has gotten the President's attention so that he does not give us Gonzales should get another pick.

59 posted on 10/05/2005 9:06:30 PM PDT by msnimje (Hurricane KATRINA - An Example of Nature's Enforcement of Eminent Domain)
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To: msnimje
so that he does not give us Gonzales should get another pick.

We are in agreement there.

60 posted on 10/05/2005 9:07:46 PM PDT by Graybeard58 (Remember and pray for Sgt. Matt Maupin - MIA/POW- Iraq since 04/09/04)
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