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Miers is the wrong pick (George Will)
Townhall ^ | October 4, 2005 | George Will

Posted on 10/04/2005 7:33:33 PM PDT by jdm

Edited on 10/04/2005 7:41:50 PM PDT by Admin Moderator. [history]

WASHINGTON -- Senators beginning what ought to be a protracted and exacting scrutiny of Harriet Miers should be guided by three rules. First, it is not important that she be confirmed. Second, it might be very important that she not be. Third, the presumption -- perhaps rebuttable but certainly in need of rebutting -- should be that her nomination is not a defensible exercise of presidential discretion to which senatorial deference is due.


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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Government; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events; US: District of Columbia
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To: JeffAtlanta
Have you ever considered that you get a little too worked up over a message board?

I have seen a lot of adhominem attacks tonight, but I think that nopardons has been trying to argue his position.

The tiresome posts are the one's that lay down an attack, wait for a well reasoned response, and then respond by hitting the "troll button". I don't agree with his position, but he appears to be arguing with reason instead of emotion. You have both been laying down some good posts.

801 posted on 10/05/2005 12:26:37 AM PDT by ottersnot (Kill a commie for your mommie....Johnnie Ramone. American Rocker and patriot)
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To: JeffAtlanta
Have you ever considered the fact that you post utterly banal and inane garbage to an on line POLITIICAL FORUM and are a waster of bandwidth?
802 posted on 10/05/2005 12:27:02 AM PDT by nopardons
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To: Don'tMessWithTexas
You have no way of knowing how a justice will rule, you can evaluate their qualifications and their record. If s/he is not well qualified, you have a pretty good idea as to how they might rule. A judge is not a frickin senator or congressman.

Thanks, much, for the education. (I think)

"If [she] is not well qualified, you have a pretty good idea as to how they might rule."

Qualifications = voting tendencies? Do you have any further background research on this?
803 posted on 10/05/2005 12:28:24 AM PDT by gipper81 (Does anyone really believe that male, Reagan Democrats will vote for HRC for POTUS?)
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To: Mo1

And it was Specter who saved Thomas. He is NOT willing to do that for JRB.


804 posted on 10/05/2005 12:28:53 AM PDT by nopardons
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To: itsahoot

:-)


805 posted on 10/05/2005 12:29:09 AM PDT by nopardons
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To: gipper81
The main question is: HOW WILL SHE VOTE? Bottom line.

No, that's not the main question. The Supreme Court is not the US Senate. The main question is: HOW DID SHE ARRIVE AT THAT VOTE? Bottom line.

Tell me, years from now ... if she votes the way you want, I want, and 90% of Freepers want, will you be posting here and saying "yes, that's good, but she still wasn't qualified!" ?????

I would, yes. That would be all the more compounded if she didn't come to these votes through strict constructionist jurisprudence. If she starts citing Biblical law as her foundation, she will be just as much of an embarrassment as the justices who cite foreign law. If she doesn't come to Constitutionally solid and reasoned decisions, she could potentially do serious damage to both Conservativism and President Bush's legacy.

There is absolutely no fear of this with Chief Justice Roberts. The same cannot be said of Harriet Miers at this point, especially since it is beginning to appear that Bush chose her not for her brilliant legal mind, but for her deep religious convictions.
806 posted on 10/05/2005 12:30:02 AM PDT by counterpunch
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To: jf55510
Regarding your desire to see a nominee with a "working knowledge" of Constitutional law, that is your privilege as an American. The last thing I'm interested in doing is trying to argue you out of an honest point of view that's important to you.

However, I don't believe there is any "best qualified" individual out there. It's in the eye of the beholder because the Constitution is silent on judicial qualifications.

From my point of view, results are what matter. Will Miers vote reliably and consistently right of center? If so, that's what matters to me. She doesn't have to be a brilliant Constitutional thinker in order to be a reliable right-of-center vote. She can do what most modern justices have done -- hire brilliant law clerks to do much of the behind-the-scenes work for her, including drafting her opinions. The one thing her clerks can't do for her is vote. That's the bottom line for me.

Am I convinced she will be a reliable, consistent right-of-center justice? Partially, but I still have more to learn about her.

807 posted on 10/05/2005 12:30:57 AM PDT by Wolfstar ("And an angel still rides in the whirlwind and directs this storm." GWB, 1/20/01)
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To: Wolfstar
Well I voted for him thrice, and I don't see why we should be forced to "trust" him with regard to this subject.

This isn't a matter of "trust."

This isn't an FDA commissioner, or a Surgeon General, or even the head of the DOJ.

This is the single greatest, most solemn responsibility entrusted to the chief executive, short of executing his role as Commander in Chief.

We're being asked to take a leap of faith...with an associate justice of the Supreme Court!

This is an institution that-after many years of aggrandizing its Constitutionally-enumerated prerogatives-has become the single most important, decisive branch of the federal government.

This is an individual who, if confirmed, will serve-barring any unforeseen debilities or catastrophic personal issues-for the next two decades.

The rest of her natural life!!

You're asking us to invest our hope in an unknown quantity, who will be stepping into one of the most vital functions of our federal government, and who will be assuming heretofore unimaginable professional responsibilities.

This is a risk that shouldn't have ever been asked of us.

808 posted on 10/05/2005 12:32:22 AM PDT by Do not dub me shapka broham ("I'm okay with being unimpressive. It helps me sleep better.")
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To: nopardons

(bows) Thank you. :)


809 posted on 10/05/2005 12:32:59 AM PDT by Killborn (Pres. Bush isn't Pres. Reagan. Then again, Pres. Regan isn't Pres. Washington. God bless them all.)
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To: ottersnot

I'm a "SHE", not a "HE", but thank you.


810 posted on 10/05/2005 12:34:16 AM PDT by nopardons
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To: Killborn

You're most welcome.


811 posted on 10/05/2005 12:35:52 AM PDT by nopardons
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To: nopardons

Doh!...my bad


812 posted on 10/05/2005 12:36:41 AM PDT by ottersnot (Kill a commie for your mommie....Johnnie Ramone. American Rocker and patriot)
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To: ottersnot
Not a problem. :-)

Again, thanks for your kind words.

813 posted on 10/05/2005 12:40:47 AM PDT by nopardons
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To: Texas Federalist

A Luttig nomination won't happen now. The "Gang Of 14" deal only applied to the first and only nomination to come out of the queue, which was John Roberts. The "Gang Of 14" deal did not render a filibuster motion irrelevant for all subsequent nominations following Roberts. Run JRB through the process again, filibustered. Run Luttig again, filibustered.


814 posted on 10/05/2005 12:41:16 AM PDT by BigSkyFreeper ("Don't Get Stuck On Stupid!" - Lieutenant General Russell "Ragin' Cajun" Honore)
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To: McGavin999

I'm suggesting there could be a difference between her professional demeanor and her private beliefs. For example, I'm rather wobbly on abortion compared to the average Freeper, but if I were asked for my opinion on whether a pro-choice guy could be a good choice for the Republican presidential nominee I'd say "Hell no, that would just be inviting desertion from the base. It's not even worth considering." And if asked to interview him or anybody during a primary I'd be fairly aggressive on that issue. But personally? I'm not sure I'd care.

I don't doubt that Miers does her job as White House Counsel well, but if Bush believes that reflects how she'll rule as an independent justice I'm very skeptical. I'm also concerned by signs of sycophancy about her, such as the David Frum story that she claims George Bush is the most brilliant man she's ever met. I doubt she actually believes that, but it may show she tries a little too hard to tell the President the stuff he'd like to hear. I'm sure when he says he thinks she'll be a conservative judge he is telling the truth --- but is Miers?


815 posted on 10/05/2005 12:43:12 AM PDT by SpringheelJack
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To: nopardons
Have you ever considered the fact that you post utterly banal and inane garbage to an on line POLITIICAL FORUM and are a waster of bandwidth?

How many posts are you going to use to tell Mark Levin that you don't want his book anymore? Just say it once and move on.

816 posted on 10/05/2005 12:44:39 AM PDT by JeffAtlanta
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To: nopardons

oh yeah, you're welcome :)


817 posted on 10/05/2005 12:46:50 AM PDT by ottersnot (Kill a commie for your mommie....Johnnie Ramone. American Rocker and patriot)
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To: bourbon
I honestly thought of your post right away as I read Will's hypothetical argument. There's no better way to flatter than through plagiarism.

To go one further, everything Will wrote has been posted on FR and read by me already, except for the specific Bush quotes about McCain-Feingold CFR, which has still mentioned directly by myself and others as a dmn mighty good reason to NOT trust Bush for his opinion on Constitutional philosophy and interpretation.

818 posted on 10/05/2005 12:46:52 AM PDT by JerseyHighlander
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To: Don'tMessWithTexas
If he had picked a Luttig or JRB and the Dems filibustered, the base would have crawled over broken glass for him.

What's inexplicable is the Republicans conspicuously absent from the Senate floor when it really mattered most.

819 posted on 10/05/2005 12:50:21 AM PDT by BigSkyFreeper ("Don't Get Stuck On Stupid!" - Lieutenant General Russell "Ragin' Cajun" Honore)
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To: Do not dub me shapka broham
Would you suggest the president nominate a conservative who absolutely wouldn't be confirmed, when there are equally qualified conservatives who would or probably would be confirmed?

I think the potential success of a nominee is also a consideration, in addition to the point you raise.

After nominating two stealth candidates, it does appear questionable as to whether President Bush is willing to fight for candidates with a discernible conservative viewpoint, I agree.

But Rogers-Brown would have been a good choice both because she was an obvious conservative with a paper trail and because she would have been confirmed.

The Reagan whitehouse was caught totally off-guard with Bork, and did not put up a good defense. It is most unfortunate. He would have made a superb justice and was an excellent pick.

820 posted on 10/05/2005 12:55:46 AM PDT by TAdams8591 (A Reagan Conservative and mighty proud of it.)
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