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As Disappointed As You Might Be With The GOP, What Is The Alternative?

Posted on 09/26/2005 5:34:31 PM PDT by mwfsu84

My major complaints with the GOP are Bush's spending, and the stonewalling RINOs in Congress. And yet, what is the alternative? To vote Democrat? Or to not vote at all - which is just as helpful to Dems.

Every time I think how disappointed I am with Bush, I try to remember how much worse it could be with a legitmate Bush-hater.

The Democrats won't cut spending. They'll raise taxes. We'll see national health care. A Democratic President won't nominate moderate SCOTUS justices - unless you consider Ruth Bader Ginsberg a moderate. We'll cow tow to the UN, probably pull out of Iraq, establish relations with Cuba and Hugo Chavez. They'll be no legitimate challenge to the ban on partial birth abortion. This fall, an upcoming SCOTUS case will be whether a minor has a right to have an abortion without parental consent. If a 15 year old child wins that 'right', do you honestly expect ANY leader from the party of Planned Parenthood to challenge it?

You think gas prices are high now? Wait until you see prices caps imposed, Jimmy Carter-style, so you'll have higher prices and longer lines. We'll have a president that preaches to us the value of sacrifice, which as we all know, worked so well during the Carter years.

As disgusted as we are with George W. Bush, we can't give up on the Republican Party.


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To: Richard Kimball

Why no vetoes? That is what bugs me. He can't seem to hold the line on spending. The Pubs in the House spend like it's not their money (wait... it ISN'T their money!). Pet projects like $1 Billion for highway projects in ALASKA???? WTF?


41 posted on 09/26/2005 5:52:49 PM PDT by Tuxedo (San Antonio, Texas)
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To: Reagan Man
And on immigration reform what we have now, is no policy at all. Continued open borders and lax enforcement of exisiting immigration law does nothing to solve a serious problem that is not going away anytime soon

Gee we can all follow your hero's(Ronald Reagan) example and give complete amnesty to illegal aliens.

I get really tired of your distortions and pitting conservative against conservative.

42 posted on 09/26/2005 5:52:50 PM PDT by Dane ( anyone who believes hillary would do something to stop illegal immigration is believing gibberish)
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To: coconutt2000

You spin so well and fast that if we hooked you up to a generator we could solve the USA's energy problem :)


43 posted on 09/26/2005 5:53:40 PM PDT by SolarisRocks
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To: mwfsu84

Vote for the best candidate, period. Never consider yourself beholden to one party or the other.


44 posted on 09/26/2005 5:53:47 PM PDT by Conservative til I die
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To: mwfsu84
The only alternative is to make changes in the Republican party by voting for a Republican challenger instead of the incumbent you don't like (if that was the case). Do this ONLY in the primaries.

Then once the real election gets going, don't split the vote, vote Republican and not for dopertarians or any other parties that benefit liberals.
45 posted on 09/26/2005 5:54:37 PM PDT by A CA Guy (God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: mwfsu84

I quit the GOP after they stood around like impotent little boys and let Terri Schindler Schiavo be killed.


46 posted on 09/26/2005 5:54:42 PM PDT by Saundra Duffy (Never forget Terri Schindler)
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To: Zeroisanumber; Chieftain

My friend and I were talking today about this very topic.

Voting: There is a voting process that allows you to vote for more than one person for president. Here's how it goes. I vote for Gingrich as my first choice. Then ON THE SAME BALLOT I vote for Delay (or a write in candidate)on my second chice. Then I vote for Bush on my third choice.
When the tallies come in, Bush wins...so my vote counts. However, the party sees also the true direction I want it to go in.

Laura Ingram had a guest on who suggested the Admin put a man on the ground ( not from the Pentagon) who Daily or every other day reports to the Americans how well we are doing in Iraq.As it is now the administration is selling out our troops by NOt doing great PR. And all we do is whine about the MSM.

The Republicans are so each individually concerned with their own careers they won't fight! We won the election totally and they are letting the Dummies run the show. What differnece does it make if we put in a really conservative judge? The Dems will twist and shout anyways...so just go for it!


47 posted on 09/26/2005 5:55:15 PM PDT by Recovering Ex-hippie ("Don't get stuck on Stupid!")
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To: mwfsu84
I wonder when the entire American political Right will wake up and notice what's right in front of its face. The Dems are on the edge of complete oblivion. America, like it or not, is a two major party system.

That's just the way it is.

Another party can come into being by electing as many Republicans as possible, then splitting off into another party.

Pluralities only elect Dems, i.e. Clinton. He never once got over 50% in either '92 or '96.

If you think that the Pubs are using you, well, use them back. But you are only truly being used when you vote 3rd party as it stands today.


If you want a Google GMail account, FReepmail me.
They're going fast!

48 posted on 09/26/2005 5:55:53 PM PDT by rdb3 (NON-conservative, American exceptionalist here.)
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To: mwfsu84
As disgusted as we are with George W. Bush, we can't give up on the Republican Party.

I'm not disgusted with the President and wasn't thinking about giving up... Thanks for the vanity. :\

49 posted on 09/26/2005 5:57:06 PM PDT by Echo Talon (http://echotalon.blogspot.com)
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To: trubluolyguy
You ask for the alternative, I just offered one and reminded you that the pubbies where once a third party, born of a revolutionary idea freeing slaves from the demo rats.

Today though except for very minor differences the pubbie establishment looks like the rat establishment.

Yes there are radicals on both sides but when you get right down to it the war cry is, "Show me the money".

50 posted on 09/26/2005 5:57:26 PM PDT by dts32041 ( Robin Hood, stealing from the government and giving back to tax payer. Where is he today?)
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To: Dane

It isn't just pitting conservatives against each other. The spending going on is OBSCENE. Then when we really do need to spend serious money (rebuilding New Orleans properly) we can't figure out where to get the money from. No one wants to give up their little pet projects, cow fart research, money to other nations, etc. Dems have the easy answer: raise taxes. What does that solve? Nothing. Dems may be the party of tax and spend, but this group of Republicans are the party of spend and spend some more. It is sickening.


51 posted on 09/26/2005 5:58:35 PM PDT by Tuxedo (Rebuild New Orleans, or.... more cow fart research. You decide.)
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To: mwfsu84

The only alternative is to pressure the party to act right! Besides, it's not really conservatives vs. liberals who decide elections. It's all those in the middle people who vote for the most handsome candidate who actually swing the election.


52 posted on 09/26/2005 6:01:52 PM PDT by shuckmaster
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To: mwfsu84

The biggest problem in regards to Pres. Bush not vetoing is the fact that he either had to accept or veto the bill in its entirety. Since SCROTUM outlaw line-item vetos, which is truly stupid considering in Marbury v. Madison, the Court only struck down apellate jurisdiction over writs of mandamus and prohibitions instead of the whole law. With that vetoing ability, the worse part of the First Ammendment Infringement Act (McCain-Feingold) and assorted pork would have been struck dead.


53 posted on 09/26/2005 6:02:15 PM PDT by Killborn (God bless the rescuers, God bless the Commander in Chief, and God bless America.)
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To: sasportas

I am actually something of a libertarian myself. I still vote Republican, anything else amounts to a vote for the Dems, something I just cannot do.


54 posted on 09/26/2005 6:02:23 PM PDT by Sam Cree (absolute reality - Miami)
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To: coconutt2000

Karl, is that you? ; )


55 posted on 09/26/2005 6:03:06 PM PDT by Redgirl (I actually voted for John Kerry before I voted against him.)
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To: sasportas


The Ross Perot clone bunch?

That really showed the lefties!


56 posted on 09/26/2005 6:11:24 PM PDT by devolve (-------------- (--- under deconstruction ---)
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To: mwfsu84
The alternative is for conservatives to get off their dead rear ends and go to work in the party.

The party is in a very real sense controlled by those who volunteer to work for the party and do all the hard work to get candidates elected.

"The Republicans won't do what I want, So I will go eat worms" crowd is only revealing how unwilling or unable they are to effect election outcomes. Candidates do what the people who elect them want done. And candidates know it is the grass roots workers that elect them.

Take my county .. Ross County Ohio.. There are about 25 or 30 people out of the county population of 50,000 who control the local Republican party organization. Most of them are moderate to mildly conservative. And if a candidate wants to carry Ross County he had best get the support of nearly all of those 25 to 30 people. They are the ones who go door to door for weeks before elections getting thousands of voters organized to vote. They man the phone banks to get out the vote on election day. They are reponsible for lots of votes.

They work for the primary candidates they like, and candidates know they have to win the party volunteers suport if they hope to win.

If there were 100 local volunteers in Ross County and 70 to 75 of them were conservative, candidates would take a much more conservative stance.

Many people think they have clout because they have one vote. But the people who can produces dozens or in some cases hundreds and in a few cases even thousands of votes have many times the clout. In Ohio a large number of the volunteers are moderate.. and they work to elect RINOs... Ask DeWhine and SonofaVich how that works.

If the volunteers that do all the heavy lifting are mostly moderate, what do you think the candidates will be?

If you want the party to be conservative then get off your rump and work to make it conservative.

Whining and complaining will only get you TAFT, VOINOVICH, AND DEWINE!!!
57 posted on 09/26/2005 6:12:48 PM PDT by Common Tator
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To: xrp

lol. true.


58 posted on 09/26/2005 6:12:58 PM PDT by WriteOn (Truth)
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To: Richard Kimball

"God put him in the White House". Well damn, I guess I don't need to vote any more, huh?


59 posted on 09/26/2005 6:13:01 PM PDT by diogenes ghost
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To: mwfsu84

The expansion of the federal government was considerably slower when Dims were in charge. Back then, the pubbies kept them in line.

But now that the GOP is drinking from the fountain of power, it's Katy bar the door.


60 posted on 09/26/2005 6:16:01 PM PDT by savedbygrace ("No Monday morning quarterback has ever led a team to victory" GW Bush)
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