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I doubt we'll see much "looting" in Texas
Self-Defender Net ^ | Sep 22, 2005

Posted on 09/22/2005 3:11:48 PM PDT by blogblogginaway

The Self Defense Laws Of Texas

The Texas Constitution Article 1 - BILL OF RIGHTS Section 23 - RIGHT TO KEEP AND BEAR ARMS

Deadly Force in Defense of Person

"A person is justified in using deadly force against another if he would be justified in using force under Section 9.31 of the statute when and to the degree he reasonable believes that deadly force is immediately necessary to protect himself against the other's use or attempted use of unlawful deadly force, if a reasonable person in the same situation would have not retreated. The use of deadly force is also justified to prevent the other's imminent commission of aggravated kidnapping, murder, rape or robbery."

Defense of Another Person

"A person is justified in using deadly force against an attacker to protect another person if he would be justified to use it to protect himself against an unlawful attack and he reasonably believes his intervention is immediately necessary to protect the other person from serious injury or death."

Deadly Force to Protect Property

"A person is justified in using deadly force against another to protect his property to the degree he reasonably believes the force is immediately necessary to prevent the other's imminent commission of arson, burglary, robbery, theft during the nighttime or criminal mischief during the nighttime, and he reasonably believes that the property cannot be protected by any other means."

"A person is justified in using deadly force against another to pervent the other who is fleeing after committing burglary, robbery, or theft during the nighttime, from escaping with the property and he reasonable believes that the property cannot be recovered by any other means; or, the use of force other than deadly force to protect or recover the property would expose him or another to a substantial risk of death or serious bodily injury. (Nighttime is defined as the period 30 minutes after sunset until 30 minutes before sunrise.)"

Protection of the Property of Others

"A person is justified in using force or deadly force against another to protect the property of a third person if he reasonably believes he would be justified to use similar force to protect his own property, and he reasonably believes that there existed an attempt or actual commission of the crime of theft or criminal mischief."

"Also, a person is justified in using force or deadly force if he reasonably believes that the third person has requested his protection of property; or he has a legal duty to protect the property; or the third person whose property he is protecting is his spouse, parent or child."

Reasonable Belief

"It is not necessary that there should be actual danger, as a person has the right to defend his life and person from apparent danger as fully and to the same extent as he would have were the danger real, as it reasonably appeared to him from his standpoint at the time."

"In fact, Sec 9.31(a) [of the Penal Code] expressly provides that a person is justified in using deadly force against another when and to the degree he reasonably believes the force is immediately necessary."


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Government; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: bang; gunlaw; looters; rita; texas
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To: Translates

I think a few of us took that from the title of the thread.


21 posted on 09/22/2005 3:36:17 PM PDT by Translates
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To: blogblogginaway
As I said on a couple of other threads, I stuck a 6'6" Masai spear in the front flower bed with a sign that says "Looters Welcome"

Inside the door is a large trash can with a 12 ga, 22 rifle, and a 9mm handgun. The rest of the weapons are in the back bedroom.

22 posted on 09/22/2005 3:38:14 PM PDT by HoustonCurmudgeon (Houston - Showing New Orleans how it's done.)
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To: blogblogginaway

I think you have to look at the people. Katrina-in-New Orleans may have thrown up a misleading picture of Americans. As we may see in the months ahead, not all of us are inclined to loot, rape, and murder as soon as the lights go out.


23 posted on 09/22/2005 3:38:17 PM PDT by Continental Soldier
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To: RetiredArmy
Right, 5 or 6 dollars per gallon instead of 3 if those refineries are damaged badly.

With the storm heading a bit farther east, the refineries may be OK. But it's current track takes it right over the densest concentration and biggest distance (from the coast) of oil rigs and platforms in the Gulf. Not good. But the supply restriction should be fairly temporary, unless a large number of rigs/platforms are very badly damaged.

24 posted on 09/22/2005 3:43:13 PM PDT by El Gato
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To: GOPologist
The use of arms to defend and protect you and yours is justifiable retribution. (Sounds good and I hope I'm right.)

Retribution is vigilantism, but defending and protecting you and yours, including property, is not retribution. Hunting the SOB down the next day, week or month, and shooting him, that would be retribution. Better to kill or at least severely wound him in defense, it will make the police's job of bringing him to justice so much easier, especially if he's dead.

25 posted on 09/22/2005 3:46:13 PM PDT by El Gato
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To: WasDougsLamb

I believe the thread mentioned the word looting in the heading and the words burglary or robbery" in at least 5 different places in the article. One could assume that looting would fall somewhere under the heading of burglary or robbery.


26 posted on 09/22/2005 3:46:15 PM PDT by Translates
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To: Keith in Iowa

The season on 'undocumented consumers' in Texas never closes and their is no bag limit.


27 posted on 09/22/2005 3:48:07 PM PDT by DugwayDuke (Stupidity can be a self-correcting problem.)
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To: blogblogginaway
Reasons for not looting in Texas are simple.
Texas has not been governed by Dem's for several decades as N.O. was.
Blacks are not stacked, herded, concentrated in poverty enclaves as happeneed in Louisiana.
There is no need of blacks to brake out from the corral and declare freedom by looting.
28 posted on 09/22/2005 3:48:22 PM PDT by hermgem
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To: blogblogginaway
The Texas Constitution Article 1 - BILL OF RIGHTS Section 23 - RIGHT TO KEEP AND BEAR ARMS

Those are not provision of Art. 1 section 23 of the Texas Constitution, They are part of the Penal code, that is statute law. Article 1, Section 23 reads:

Every citizen shall have the right to keep and bear arms in the lawful defense of himself or the State; but the Legislature shall have power, by law, to regulate the wearing of arms, with a view to prevent crime.

The quotes are from Chapter 9 of the Texas Penal Code

29 posted on 09/22/2005 3:57:06 PM PDT by El Gato
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To: blogblogginaway

God Bless and Keep Texas (and my family members waiting out the storm)


30 posted on 09/22/2005 4:01:28 PM PDT by joesnuffy
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To: hermgem
Texas has not been governed by Dem's for several decades as N.O. was.

Not true at all. It's only in about the last decade or two that Texas was governed by Republicans. George Bush's predecessor as Texas governor was (Queen) Anne Richards, a Dem. Of course most of them were Southern Democrats, not that northern variety, or the Huey Long branch of the Dim Party.

Many of the cities. Dallas and San Antonio that I'm sure about, are run by Democrats.

Blacks are not stacked, herded, concentrated in poverty enclaves as happeneed in Louisiana.

Been to south Dallas or near east Austin lately? However while there are "projects" in Texas Cities, they aren't as widespread nor as individually huge, as in New Orleans. There are, and have been, many smaller "projects" in the smaller towns.

31 posted on 09/22/2005 4:04:18 PM PDT by El Gato
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To: blogblogginaway; Eaker
Somehow I think Rita will have different after effects than Katrina.

Mostly folks here know better and behave better.

Some of us stay behind to help 'em along.

32 posted on 09/22/2005 4:08:07 PM PDT by humblegunner (If you're gonna die, die with your boots on.)
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To: blogblogginaway
I doubt we'll see much "looting" in Texas

Why not? Houston has some of the highest crime percentages in the country.

33 posted on 09/22/2005 4:12:11 PM PDT by Black Tooth (The more people I meet, the more I like my dog.)
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To: MeanWestTexan

9th ward 5TH ward samo samo.


34 posted on 09/22/2005 4:32:16 PM PDT by cksharks (ew prayers for them because they will need it.)
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To: SweetCornGiblets

GOD BLESS TEXAS! I lived there for a year recently and just LOVED IT!! I want to move back just as soon as I can! I have to say that the people there are very christian, moral, self suficient and kind hearted but they don't take any shit! they are what is left of the american spirit in this country! LETS ALL PAY ATTENTION AND SEE HOW ITS SUPPOSED TO BE DONE!


37 posted on 09/22/2005 4:59:58 PM PDT by annelizly
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To: blogblogginaway

I stocked up on hollow point ammo last night...just in case.


38 posted on 09/22/2005 5:14:50 PM PDT by Sans-Culotte (Meadows Place, TX- just S of 59 & the Beltway....)
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To: Keith in Iowa

undocumented consumers lol, I'm going to have to remember that one.


39 posted on 09/22/2005 5:16:05 PM PDT by rattrap
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To: blogblogginaway
I live where Charley, Frances and Jeanne crossed paths in central FL. We had no reports of looting here. We did hear about somebody getting buckshot in the butt stealing a generator, but I never saw a news report about it.

An armed society is a polite society.
40 posted on 09/22/2005 5:24:53 PM PDT by DocRock (Osama said, "We love death, the U.S. loves life, that is the main difference between us.")
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