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Uh Oh--The Next Abu Graib (Sully the Drama Queen)
AndrewSullivan.com ^ | 9/22/05 | Andrew Sullivan

Posted on 09/22/2005 8:19:51 AM PDT by Callahan

CORPSES FOR PORN? What on earth is this website doing? U.S. soldiers can post pics of the corpses of Iraqis killed in war on a website devoted mainly to amateur porn. I clicked through and saw just a couple of pics which are beyond appalling and distressing. The section for corpses - and it's not clear whether they are of insurgents or just civilians - has this introduction: Pictures in this forum are submitted by U.S. Soldiers from over in Iraq and Afghanistan and will probably be a little gory. So if you get sick easy or have a problem with dead terrorists please don't look here. If you send in pics of dead insurgents or Iraqis, you get free access to the porn part of the site. The pics that are appended have names such as "What every Iraqi should look like," "DIE, HAJI, DIE," and "Cooked Iraqi." I would think this violates the Geneva Conventions, not that the U.S. under this president cares about those very much any more. But it's also beyond depraved. Eric Muller sounded the alarm. Like the pictures from Abu Ghraib, these images are also a propaganda coup for Zarqawi and his monsters - a consequence of war in the Internet age. Have we really sunk to this?


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Andrew Sullivan found a site where soldiers trade "trophy" pics of dead Iraqis for access to a forum full of amateur porn (mostly troops sending in pics of their naked girlfriends--Guys sequestered in a desert hellhole like looking at porn--imagine that.). Now our friendly neighborhood drama queen says it's the "next Abu Graib." Cue CNNCBSABCNBCMSNBC and the NY Times.

Pay attention because this may be the next spaz-out coming down the pike from the MSM. I don't think there's a person here with buds in Iraq, who doesn't know that military guys often trade pics and vids of toasted terrorists like morbid baseball cards. This has been going on since the invention of the digital camera. I can remember a frat brother showing off footage he shot of an Apache smoking a bunch of Iraqis during Gulf War I. He set it to a Metallica tune. I didn't run to the UN screaming about the evil American Military, but then I'm not a liberal blogger.

1 posted on 09/22/2005 8:19:52 AM PDT by Callahan
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To: Callahan

I didn't think Geneva Convention applied to independent terrorists running around blowing people up....thought it was just for Army personnel of the official country against which we have declared war? I could be wrong......


2 posted on 09/22/2005 8:22:34 AM PDT by Day Kay
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To: Callahan

Rotten.com shows more than this..............most every middle-schooler knows that..........


3 posted on 09/22/2005 8:26:10 AM PDT by Red Badger (Don't ever forget, Jimmy Carter can run for president AGAIN!.......)
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To: Callahan

Wow, little poofter Andrew actually talks about something other than buggerers and buggery!!!!!!!!! I am suprised he pulled his head out of his butt, or someone else's, long enough to hear about this.


4 posted on 09/22/2005 8:31:04 AM PDT by ExpatGator (Progressivism: A polyp on the colon politic.)
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To: Callahan

You do realize that any soldier who gets caught having done this is subject to prosecution?


5 posted on 09/22/2005 8:33:28 AM PDT by CobaltBlue (Extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice. Moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue.)
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To: ExpatGator

This topic is making the rounds on the lib blogs. Eventually it will get to Drudge and he will find it too juicy to pass up. Of course it should come as a shock to none that some in our mentality have a Howard Stern/Rotten.com gross out mentality. They were raised in the public schools.


6 posted on 09/22/2005 8:34:05 AM PDT by Callahan
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To: CobaltBlue

And do you realize this is as popular in the military as Pokemon is with fourth-graders?


7 posted on 09/22/2005 8:35:54 AM PDT by Callahan
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Wow, little poofter Andrew actually talks about something other than buggerers and buggery!!!!!!!!!

Well, he went to the site thinking he was going to see amateur porn performed by US soldiers. He was disappointed to find that all the porn was "totally het".

8 posted on 09/22/2005 8:38:16 AM PDT by wideawake (God bless our brave troops and their Commander-in-Chief)
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"And do you realize this is as popular in the military as Pokemon is with fourth-graders?"

Is it really? This is the first I've heard of it. I suspect it is a very small minority of military personnel who are doing this. I don't believe for a moment that it is widespread.


9 posted on 09/22/2005 8:38:32 AM PDT by MineralMan (godless atheist)
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To: Callahan

Man, I went to that site for a few moments and now need to go wash my hands! Might as well be called pervs-r-us!


10 posted on 09/22/2005 8:39:02 AM PDT by MarineBrat (When it rains, New Orleans makes its own gravy.)
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To: MineralMan
There was a subset of troops in Vietnam who took Polaroids of dead Vietcong as well.

It's not a new phenomenon - and I would expect that most soldiers with digital cameras have hundreds and hundreds of images altogether and among those hundreds of personal photos are a few Matthew Bradyesque ones.

11 posted on 09/22/2005 8:42:00 AM PDT by wideawake (God bless our brave troops and their Commander-in-Chief)
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I've seen a lot of solder's personal photo galleries on pbase.com and many have images of dead terrorists after car bombings, some even have photos from the middle of action. I wonder how many solders know the regulations regarding this.
12 posted on 09/22/2005 8:43:19 AM PDT by mnehring (Fourth Estate, Fifth Column Dis-Infomers)
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To: Red Badger

Matter of fact, someone I work with showed me a pic at Rotten of some terrorist with his head blown apart by a sniper. A .308 right between the lookers'll do that.


13 posted on 09/22/2005 8:46:28 AM PDT by Gefreiter ("Are you drinking 1% because you think you're fat?")
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To: mnehrling

Yep--it's a frat "dude-check this out" mentality. Not exactly life-affirming, but reality rarely is--and these are blue collar soldiers, not sensitivity training counselors. The MSM will use it to trash our troops. Count on it.


14 posted on 09/22/2005 8:47:30 AM PDT by Callahan
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To: Callahan

Whatever. If this thing turns into the next Abu Ghraib, then they're toast.


15 posted on 09/22/2005 8:47:55 AM PDT by CobaltBlue (Extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice. Moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue.)
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To: Day Kay

You are correct. The Geneva Convention does not apply to these people. It applies to soldiers fighting for a country's army not terrorists, insurgents, or what ever they want to call these people.


16 posted on 09/22/2005 8:50:33 AM PDT by Jersey Republican Biker Chick (People too weak to follow their own dreams, will always find a way to discourage yours.)
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To: Callahan
The MSM will use it to trash our troops. Count on it.

Well, yeah. I mean, how many people are going think to themselves, "what a great site!"

What were they thinking?

Oh, well, it's done now. Bloggers are out there caching the pages and sending them to people like Juan Cole even as we speak.

17 posted on 09/22/2005 8:51:57 AM PDT by CobaltBlue (Extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice. Moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue.)
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To: Callahan

I would be extremely sceptical about believing this to be factual. The internet is an interesting place, with a great deal of anonymity. Anyone can post anything, anywhere, and credit anyone else they want with it. Even if the soldiers actually put pics on the internet, it would be very easy to download pics from one website and post them to another website. This could be completely contrived, even though I doubt the mental abilities of many leftists to come up with such a scheme. Only thing is, evil knows no bounds.


18 posted on 09/22/2005 8:52:05 AM PDT by webheart (Pajamarazzi Rules!)
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To: Jersey Republican Biker Chick

Forget the Geneva Conventions.

Think - Uniform Military Code of Justice.


19 posted on 09/22/2005 8:53:20 AM PDT by CobaltBlue (Extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice. Moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue.)
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To: Gefreiter

My daughterid graduated from HS now, but when she was in Middle school, SHE showed me that pic and others like it. Kids in MS are not squeamish over blood guts and gore...........


20 posted on 09/22/2005 8:56:07 AM PDT by Red Badger (Don't ever forget, Jimmy Carter can run for president AGAIN!.......)
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